Del Stimpson
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Post by Del Stimpson on Mar 18, 2007 15:21:06 GMT -5
The Captain and I have been having a disagreement as of late as to whether or not Feena knew that she was a goddess when Adol saved her. I prefer to believe that she didn't, but The Captain believes that she did. I think that we need the opinion of other people who may have played more then one version of the game thus having more to work off of... maybe.
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Post by Darker Fact on Mar 18, 2007 15:37:34 GMT -5
I would think it rather unlikely she remembered, given both her claims of losing her memory in the SMS and I believe NES versions, as what was established in the Ys Anime.
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Post by CrazyJo82 on Mar 18, 2007 21:12:46 GMT -5
didn't darm or someone say something like "brilliant... erasing memory of being a goddess"
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Post by Ranzor on Mar 19, 2007 9:58:55 GMT -5
From what she says in the end of Ys II, I think she knew. She even tells Adol something like "I'm sorry for not telling you I was a goddess" when they meet at Darm's doorstep.
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Post by Falcom Director of Fanservice on Mar 19, 2007 19:19:47 GMT -5
I recall something similiar from the windows Remake that packaged both games together whose name I never remember correctly, but I will call Ys II Eternal.
I am reluctant to consider the Ys Anime canonical, myself. How much of a hand did Falcom have in it?
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Post by Ranzor on Mar 19, 2007 19:32:58 GMT -5
I'm away from home right now, but I'll be able to check it in some three days. Anyway, I'm pretty sure she says something like that, in the Complete version, even.
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Post by Ranzor on Mar 19, 2007 19:35:44 GMT -5
And could someone please tell me how to use these quotes properly? How do I get the name of the quotee to show?
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Post by hellsassassin on Mar 19, 2007 20:44:05 GMT -5
Feena does say such line to Adol before the final battle against Darm. In the English patch, she says "I'm sorry for not telling you the truth before... that I am actually one of the Goddesses." That line is in the YsII script spell check file from the patch in Nightwolve's website. But still then that does not state when exactly she regains her memory. She could have been pretending from the beginning...
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Post by Ranzor on Mar 20, 2007 8:03:55 GMT -5
Since the last time she saw Adol was before he went to Darm Tower, I'd say that's probable.
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Post by Red Hairdo on Mar 22, 2007 15:50:08 GMT -5
From what she saYs in the end of Ys II, I think she knew. She even tells Adol something like "I'm sorry for not telling you I was a goddess" when they meet at Darm's doorstep. Cite references, please. I recall no such line. That would be in Ys Book I & II. I'm sure of it. You can hear she saying that if you choose the correct audio track to listen. It happens after you defeat Darm, and when Adol and Feena speak alone. Still, she could be excusing herself that she couldn't tell Adol who she was, because she didn't regain her memory in time to tell him and thus she says she's sorry. That's how I see it. Also I'm not sure, but I think she said that only in the PCE version. Probably (but not surely) I'm wrong though. I believe she didn't know she was a Godess when Adol rescued her.
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Post by xcalibar on May 28, 2007 13:22:15 GMT -5
I believe Feena and Lair couldn't recall their memories until the Silver Harmonica was played. The Roda Trees didn't awaken until the song was played either.
Plus I believe in the Ys anime, it actually shows when Feena and Lair remembers. I guess it's like when a bird forgets how to fly, Feena and Lair can't use their power without knowing how to use them. Although the Ys Books contained a majority of their power?
Not enough information..! I bet Ys Origin answers some questions..!
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Post by Mejilan on Jun 4, 2007 14:20:51 GMT -5
Yeah, I'm with the 'did not know from the get-go' camp. I think that apology was merely for not telling him when she first remembered.
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Post by Keith Courage on Apr 14, 2008 20:07:43 GMT -5
Feena didn't remember who she was, her past, or she was a goddess after she was released from the Shrine. It's quite obvious she didn't, because in Ys I Complete, Feena said something along the lines of this, "All I remember is my name...". She says that after she rests at Jeva's house and is standing next to Jeva.
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Post by Falcom Director of Fanservice on Apr 16, 2008 0:55:56 GMT -5
Except that is blatantly contradicted in Ys II Complete, when she says sorry for not telling him beforehand. And the last chance she had to do that was before he entered the Tower of Darm, so it suggests that she was lying to him.
So....less obvious and more of an unknown, based off just that.
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Post by Red Hairdo on Apr 16, 2008 15:20:58 GMT -5
Well, an year has passed since my last post here, but anyway. I really believe she didn't know, and that she didn't pretend anything. When I beated Ys I MS-DOS, it was "proved" Feena did lose her memory. The problem is that we CAN't be 100% sure that what was said is canonical, but there are some leads. More info here: clickAnd if that's the case, we are still unsure WHEN that happened. The anime suggests it was right after Reah played the silver harmonica. All the Ys I games make me believe it was sometime around when Adol gathered the six books of Ys. And I think the case is that last one. Well, like I said before here, I think Feena excused herself to Adol for not telling him she was a Goddess, because even she didn't know it at the last time they saw each other. You know, I really think Ys ORIGIN has the answers for most of our questions, including this one. Only people capable of understanding japanese can let us know something. I think those could be Deuce, Lumineux, Wyrdwad, and perhaps others too. Ys ORIGIN = mystery (Ys V = mystery too)
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Post by ceciljornal on Jun 2, 2008 14:24:07 GMT -5
Its clear that she didnt remember, if i recall correctly she talks about loosing her memory or something like that. Also she acts completely diferent on YSII.
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Post by psybuster on Oct 6, 2008 11:41:25 GMT -5
Old topic but since I have an idea on how this turned out, I might as well I know the anime isn't canonical, but I'm willing to bet the Silver Harmonica being played is when Feena regained her memories. I don't have exact quotes on me, but I remember Reah apologizing to Feena and then saying something like, "Let us turn the wheels of fate once more," after she plays the harmonica. Since you return the harmonica to her before taking on the boss in the mines (and therefore before obtaining the third book of Ys), there IS one point where Feena could've told Adol about being a goddess, but didn't: when you return to Jevah to have her read the third book for you. Feena's still living with Jevah then, and if you talk to her there (in the Complete version, at least, though I assume it's true of the others as well) she just says the same old stuff she does the rest of the game beforehand. I believe this lost opportunity is why she's apologizing to Adol for in Ys 2 for not "telling him beforehand." As for Reah, this calls into question about whether she herself knew before playing the harmonica, and I'd have to speculate that she did. Otherwise, she'd probably not have bothered ever looking for that specific Silver Harmonica to begin with, not to mention getting herself locked up in Rado just to give Adol the monocle (another "generic" item that she'd otherwise have no use for without knowing what it's capable of, and she probably also had this on-hand the entire time) and the information to beat Dark Fact.
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Post by sanoichiro on Jan 22, 2009 16:02:34 GMT -5
sorry to revive an old topic, but I remember reading a post here, that In the Ms-dos version of Ys, Dark Fact says that the goddesses have lost their memories. Since he's taking orders from Darm, and Darm is an all powerful ancient being (almost godlike himself), I'd say that's pretty tight evidence.
As far as the amime goes. I don't know that I'd be so quick to question its canonity. The show doesn't take many liberties from the story. As far as I know, Falcom had a hand in the show (I base this on the fact that they produced the Ys 4 trailer, trying to get an animation company to produce it). The anime closely resembles the game, and has no original music. Even the song that Ruta/Luta sings is from Ys 2. Also, the few liberties that they did take in the anime (Adol being swept into the vortex, the character Slagph) were later added to versions of the game.
I can certainly respect the idea that Feena was lying to Adol, but I don't think that the idea has as much weight.
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