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Post by FM-77AV on Feb 15, 2005 7:45:49 GMT -5
Please read the following quote from NightWolve: Bad news kids. I've deleted my project page for Ys VI as well as what was on my forums. My friend Xeph, a Korean hacker who taught me the secrets of his craft to succeed in hacking Ys VI is being sued by some Korean company that bought a license from Falcom. He's meeting with representatives of the company with his dad's lawyer this weekend which gives you some idea of the gravity of the situation. To quote: "but japan falcom agent said: they've damaged $100,000 by lost contract becoz of us." Anyway, Seldane, I'm deleting my posts pertaining to this subject. I ask that you hide or delete such threads as these. I think you all know what this is about, so please do not mention anything about a certain (ex-)project regarding Ys. You know what I'm talking about! Any post releated to this will instantly be deleted. This is very serious.
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Post by sunteam_paul on Feb 15, 2005 12:56:21 GMT -5
THAT SUCKS
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Post by Savory Cade on Feb 15, 2005 21:20:29 GMT -5
Well, that sucks, but I do agree that it's probably for the best as far as PS2 vs. PC piracy goes. Maybe it could be released in a couple years or something. What about releasing the script as a separate text document, kind of a 'read along while you play' thing?
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Post by ParanoiaDragon on Feb 17, 2005 4:56:17 GMT -5
Bah, I still plan on getting both PS2 & PC versions, it's still a shame though.
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Post by Alden120 on Feb 17, 2005 21:36:50 GMT -5
Damn, I dont understand what the big deal is... once the game gets released though i mean? its not like the game isnt available in Japanese anyways? Those who know Japanese can easily get a pirated copy ? why not just release it after Konami does? I know why they will cry about people translating a game, but still i mean its for the better of the game... its the way the game was meant to be played.. does it really matter that its translated once the game gets released in North America and Europe anyways? sorry... im just really dissapointed in this, I was really looking forward to playing it the original way on PC... even still i was planning to buy the PS2 version.. but the music... and the original everything ill never get to experience in english... hahah.. damn im just blowing off steam.. perhaps I was the only one who was really looking forward to playing the PC version ? ah well ... ...
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Post by CrazyJo82 on Feb 17, 2005 22:40:55 GMT -5
It's about big corporation trying to get more money by attacking the little people who are doing it for their own enjoyment/project.
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Post by FM-77AV on Feb 18, 2005 4:35:43 GMT -5
It's about big corporation trying to get more money by attacking the little people who are doing it for their own enjoyment/project. No, not really. Falcom wanted to release it in Korea, IN KOREAN. But someone had already translated it to Korean and therefore, they would lose money since people would just as well download the translation patch instead of buying the actual Korean version of the game.
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Post by Justus on Feb 18, 2005 10:16:27 GMT -5
No, not really. Falcom wanted to release it in Korea, IN KOREAN. But someone had already translated it to Korean and therefore, they would lose money since people would just as well download the translation patch instead of buying the actual Korean version of the game. To say nothing of the fact that Falcom is DEFINATELY not a "big corporation", though they are expanding quite rapidly in recent years. As for someone contacting Falcom about translation, it would be one of those things that someone else not even remotely associated with NW would have to do, and even then, keep everything on a strictly anonymous level.
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Post by Alden120 on Feb 18, 2005 11:02:02 GMT -5
Well you know Korea is a completely different situation then. It hasnt been released in Korea - its already coming to North America via Konami. So whats another english version going to matter to Falcom? like i said before just release it a little while after Konami does this way it doesnt stir up a fuss. I think many here would agree they'd love to play the original on PC as well as the PS2 version. [ Those who really dont know Japanese and want to play the PC version - there is a walkthrough at www.gamefaqs.com that translates the important situations... it get annoying having to read back and fourth on my print outs but its better than nothing.... ] as for this "As for someone contacting Falcom about translation, it would be one of those things that someone else not even remotely associated with NW would have to do, and even then, keep everything on a strictly anonymous level. " if you or someone else gets me the contact info - ill contact them and ask if its okay to do.
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Post by Alden120 on Feb 19, 2005 8:19:45 GMT -5
i see what your saying deuce, but they can still get it now can they not?
I mean its in Japanese but they can still get it.
and awhile after the PS 2 version is out anyone who probably planned on getting a "pirated copy" would've bought the PS2 version by that time.
its a shame to not have the original translated.. the music is so awesome .... and everything...
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Post by Adol on Feb 20, 2005 21:13:44 GMT -5
Too bad. I would have bought the PS2 game, even with the ability to play it on the PC. :/
The only reason being I'd like to play with Falcom's original artwork. Konami's 3d models look about the quality of RuneScape, unfortunately. :/
[For those of you who don't know, RuneScape is a game that federal judges sentence criminals convicted of capital offenses to play for months at a time. Typically the criminal will commit gruesome suicide after being forced to play the game for more than 20 minutes or so.]
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Post by FM-77AV on Feb 21, 2005 3:39:50 GMT -5
Most gamers who like games such as Ys owns a PS2. PC isn't a good system for RPGs.
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Post by Justus on Feb 21, 2005 4:28:44 GMT -5
Most gamers who like games such as Ys owns a PS2. PC isn't a good system for RPGs. Such a blunt and unfortunately true statement. But by God, PC SHOULD be a good system for RPGs. There's such potential there, all miserably untapped, for blowing any role-playing experience on a console out of the water. Of course most of us who like Ys prefer the Japanese style of RPG. Some Japanese companies even make such games for Windows. Not one of them ever even attempts to utilize the PC environment in any way that would truly make it stand out from the relatively limited console gaming experience. Only American developers tend to ever attempt that, and unfortunately, while I love many American-made video games, most American developers couldn't make a light-hearted adventure like Ys to save their lives. That's something else I don't understand. I truly don't believe that non-Asians are incapable of creating "this kind of game", "that style of music", or "these sorts of drawings". A few people who had heard some of my original music have IMed me in the past and told me that I must be Asian to write such music, if you can actually believe it. I've taken great personal pleasure in letting those people know that I am white as wonder bread, born and raised in Tennessee, and have a proud Irish heritage. I'm dissappointed myself that the translation got the axe. I too am one of those exceptions who actually purchased the game ($105 USD...significantly more money than $90 AUD I might add...your shipping must not have been as much). I don't really have an opinion one way or the other which version's going to be superior, having not sampled Konami's take yet. I have failed to be impressed with what I've heard of the new music. Well, I wasn't overly impressed with the original music either. I'm hard to please when it comes to music. The decision to switch sprites for 3d models is unfortunate, but to be honest, it probably won't really alter the experience that much in all actuality. I just like to experience Ys games in as many different ways as I can. Being able to play the PC version in English would have been enough of a change to allow for a completely fresh experience. Oh well, at least we get new levels. I'm certainly looking forward to those....AFTER I pay taxes anyways. I certainly have some mild fears about the impending PS2 release. Mostly I just hope it's not an embarrassment in any way. I've got a lot of acquaintances who have never played Ys before, and for them, this will be their first, and perhaps only, chance to experience what I've been referring to as my favorite game series for many years now. If there were to be some sort of tragic flaw with the release, it would be most embarassing. I'm not too worried though. For the most part, I think Konami can be trusted. Heh, there I go again...I told myself some time back I would try not to get back into my habit of ranting at random on message boards. Oh well...
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Post by FM-77AV on Feb 21, 2005 4:39:06 GMT -5
Heh, there I go again...I told myself some time back I would try not to get back into my habit of ranting at random on message boards. Oh well... I remember that post. And I'm glad you didn't stop that. It was a good post. And I guess I said too little in my last post - I was referring to Grandia II. A game that got really good reviews for Dreamcast. But then I read a review in a PC magazine when it was ported to PC - and it broke my heart. 2/10. They said "this kind of crap should remain on the consoles". It's a stupid statement, but I know it's true. PC gamers doesn't like japanese RPGs (not in general, at least).
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Post by FM-77AV on Feb 21, 2005 7:32:05 GMT -5
So bad i only have the gamecube from the last 3 systems T_T (And I love RPG since the super famicom and pc engine era) (i have no luck ) Off topic, but the Gamecube has several nice RPGs. Some of them are: - Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles
- Tales of Symphonia
- Skies of Arcadia Legends
- Phantasy Star Online Episode I & II
- Paper Mario: The Thousand Year Door
- Baten Kaitos
You should at least try FFCC out. It's a true gem. And fairly similiar to YsVI.
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Post by GS on Feb 22, 2005 17:29:44 GMT -5
What if the Ys6 PC translation patch was realest well after the PS2? Wouldn’t that be ok?
And as for piracy, having a game on a counsel will not stop it from getting pirated. There are PS2 emulations in the works and PS2 games on file sharing programs. Any thing can be hacked and pirated.
PS:Why don’t they put it on Xbox as well?
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Post by GS on Feb 22, 2005 18:32:59 GMT -5
Are you shore it’s that ( konami making PS2 or GC because it has the greatest installed users) or is it that Japanese game companies prefer to make games for japaneses only systems?
What I’m saying is, isn’t there a bias towards the non japanese with the japanese companies?
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Post by LordDarm on Feb 22, 2005 18:50:45 GMT -5
Well the original music is being left in the PS2 version anyways so whats the big deal, just buy that one......and as for them changing the sprites, I like the new sprites better than the old......Adol now looks more like his character instead of a 3 yr old. I will stick with the PS2 version.
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Post by GS on Feb 22, 2005 19:11:14 GMT -5
no Deuce , I was not aware of my apostrophes. It must be my PC.
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Post by GS on Feb 22, 2005 21:35:02 GMT -5
Deuce tell me something, when the translation project was started did you know that there was going to be a US release on PS2 and when you herd about it did you and Night Wolf still continue translating? Why did the project stop because of what happened in Korea. Was the Korean hacker Xeph that important to the project? I don’t understand, you are making an English patch not a Korean. If you bought it it’s yours and if you want to make a translation as a hobby it’s your right.
Can someone explain in more detail?
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