The origins of Darm? *spoilers*

[soulmancer]

Given the fact I can't read japanese at all, I didn't understand the sequence before the final battle in Toal's scenerio...

Who is the person who comes and kills Dalles, and does he become Darm??? Did darm not exsist until that moment?

Darm did say he was a demon born from the black pearl, so is this what he meant?

And if he was Darm, why kill Dalles? I thought they were close allies.

I'm trying to understand the Darm character and the character in the final sequence.

[Lumi]

You'll find your answer in short form here.

[soulmancer]

Not really, that just tells me he was Kain Fact, nothing else.

[Lumi]

Well I did say it was in short form.

Browse any of the Toal/Claw related threads in here and you'll be amazed at the info you can find.

[devilchen]

soulmancer said:

Given the fact I can't read japanese at all, I didn't understand the sequence before the final battle in Toal's scenerio...

Who is the person who comes and kills Dalles, and does he become Darm??? Did darm not exsist until that moment?

Darm did say he was a demon born from the black pearl, so is this what he meant?

And if he was Darm, why kill Dalles? I thought they were close allies.

I'm trying to understand the Darm character and the character in the final sequence.

From what I could collect and understand, Darm is none exist until Kain merged himself with the essence of Magic and the Black Perl. So say that the essence of Magic & Black Perl didnt actually have their own personality but were controlled by ambitious people.
As for the Dark Clan, they also got an very interesting ancestry story which would be greatly related to the Winged ones (some of it were explained in YS6 and also in YS6 limited setting book). In the setting, it also told things about the Winged ones, their power, origin, decline and the affair with human beings.

[seki]

doobeedoo

Incidentally, and just speculation, but mayhaps the Fukt lineage is NOT from Ys? Epona and others repeatedly make note to Hugo that is seems "one of them" (something I initially attributed to mere personality) and it is also mentioned that the Eyes of Fukt are not a magical item of Ys, but rather of the "Darkness." Combined with various mentions of "your cursed blood" (this being fairly early on I think) and the fact that somehow Kain Fukt had contact with Outsiders leads me to wonder if the Fukt family is actually completely of non-Ys origins...

[hellsassassin]

I think Fukt family partially comes from the clan of darkness. It is possible for some members of Fukt family to have come from the clan of darkness and hidden their identities so they can approach the goddesses and, more importantly, the black pearl. So Kain Fukt might have had access to the clan of darkness's knowledge before activating his plan.

[Razorclaw X]

Wait, so the bad guys are the ones expelled from the Ark?

If I'm remembering this right the Black Pearl is Black Emelas, and so is Galbalan and Ernst's sword.

[ParanoiaDragon]

Galbalan's are made of Ash Emelas, which is a failed attempt by humans to make Emel Stone, IIRC.

Oh, & Clan of Darkness, did I miss something? I thought they were only mentioned in Ys 4? Is Ernst & Dalles of the Clan of Darkness???

[Lumi]

paranoiadragon said:

Oh, & Clan of Darkness, did I miss something? I thought they were only mentioned in Ys 4? Is Ernst & Dalles of the Clan of Darkness???

That seems to be the implication so far, yup.

[ParanoiaDragon]

Hmm, well, how is it implied. I don't remember anything in Ys 6.........other then Ernst & Geist having some kind of lineage & connection to being ones that can maybe control Emelas, I can't remember. It's been a couple years since I played it.

Is there anyother info on the Clan of Darkness? I'd maybe guess they are all from the Romun Empire(which would make my theory about Dalles & co. being Romun correct:)). The Pagan's in Ys 4, as we used to call them, had some kind of connection to the Romun Empire it seemed, & Ernst was a part of that Empire, though, I'd guess that being of the Clan of Darkness, is not something that's known by the Romun's or it's purely a secret Romun society, that only the highest of high ranks are a part of.

[Lumi]

Going by my relatively shaky memory, Ernst and Geis are scions of that group of people who tried to make Black Emelas/control the Ark/blah blah.

In Origin we (presumably- this is where I start going by stuff people with better Japanese comprehension that I have said elsewhere on the boards) find that Dalles and his crew (the Dark Clan, Clan of Darkness, whatever) had tried to unseal/control the Ark among other things.

I'm guessing the Romun Empire, however, is a relatively new societal development in the history of the Ys universe-- they may not have been around in the heyday of the Clan of Darkness, but rose up out of some of its people over time. Hence we wind up with people among the Romun Empire like Ernst who are using it to suit their needs, but I don't think Dalles and co. are Romuns themselves.

Note the guessing caveat there on the last part. ^^; I won't swear to it being right, but hey... anyone who knows better can correct me and I'll be happy.

[hellsassassin]

The members of the clan of darkness probably move on their own instead of following the lead. So it is not necessary for them to know each other's motives or whereabouts. It is also highly likely that they were separated after the ark disaster. Anyway, this is my wild guess so you can object to it if you feel I'm wrong.

[Razorclaw X]

So then what's the deal with Kishgal, and why does he have a place named after him in Canaan?

[seki]

He's a "hero" of sorts for killing Saul (albeit it was not purely a fair fight), and he's Epona's big bro.

[hellsassassin]

If there is indeed the connection, it is more likely that he (Epona's big bro) was named after the city than his naming the city.