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Post by korzic on Mar 27, 2009 19:04:58 GMT -5
Actually, the speedruns are probably the least of my troubles right now, although it can still be frustrating at times, obviously. Mostly, it's the other stuff that really bothers me, especially since much of it is part of a constantly re-occurring and very complex issue.
But like I said, I'm almost recovered from it (for now...), and getting to work on Ys II may be the best way for me to keep this other stuff off my mind for a while. I'm going to try and get to work on it this weekend, provided nothing else comes up.
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Post by korzic on Mar 30, 2009 19:27:17 GMT -5
I decided to upload some higher quality versions of the Ys I segments to Youtube (check the first post); hopefully, I won't need to upload them anymore. If the quality looks a little off, most of the videos (not all, unfortunately) have a "HQ" button to make it look a little better.
If anyone's curious, I used a program called "Anri-chan" to encode the videos. It's pretty easy to use, but some of the files sure took a while to finish.
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Post by undamned on Apr 1, 2009 13:18:18 GMT -5
Excellent! Glad it's been archived on the Tube and easily accessible for all! -ud
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Post by 2l84tv on Apr 6, 2009 21:20:42 GMT -5
If you can't play these in windowed mode, how are you recording them?
Forgive my noobness.
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Post by korzic on Apr 7, 2009 0:21:05 GMT -5
I use a program called Fraps. It works fairly well, but it's not without problems (or perhaps this computer just sucks). Regarding Ys II, I've finally gotten around to some thorough testing of it this past weekend, but I've still got a ways to go. Currently, I've only tested up to the Ice Ridge of Noltia. Here's the route so far: - Talk to Banoa, receive Banoa's Letter - Enter clinic to learn of Dr. Ralle's predicament (300 G) - Buy Wing from Jade, and Short Sword from Guido* (0 G) - Talk to Karnell, exit Rance Village - Head to Ruins of Moondoria; get Roda Fruit - Level to 6**; get Staff of Divinity, and receive ability to use magic - Enter Sanctuary of Toal; return Volume Hadal - Enter Rasteenie Mine; return Volume Toba - Get Mattock; save Dr. Ralle (not required to speak to him in the Mine, I think) - Return Volume Dabbie; get "Fire" Magic; return Volumes Messa and Gemma - Level to 11***; kill Velagunder - Get Iron Ore, Celceta Flower, Evil Bell, and "Light" Magic; warp to Rance via Wing**** (~2000 G) - Sell Iron Ore to Guido; buy Talwar (~0 G) - Receive Lilia's Medicine from Dr. Ralle, and give to Banoa; receive "Warp" magic - Investigate Jira's basement; ring Evil Bell; kill all monsters***** - Return Volume Fact, and receive Scroll of Guidance - Exit Rance; head to Ice Ridge of Noltia * - I'm aware that you can get a free Short Sword from Legth in the Ruins of Moondoria, but it should be faster to purchase it instead. ** - As far as I can tell, it's best to get to level 4 using the enemies in the upper-left corner of the Ruins (I think that's the best group of enemies), and then to use the ones in the first room of the Sanctuary of Toal to get to level 6 (minimum needed to kill the rock golems). *** - There's two good possibilities for getting to level 11 (overall faster than facing Velagunder under-leveled, I think). One is to continuously use the pink demon (20 EXP) in the corridor near where Dr. Ralle is trapped. The other is to use the plant-like enemy (18 EXP, until level 10) near the entrance to the Messa/Gemma portion of the Sanctuary to get to level 10, and then afterwards, use the last pink demon before Velagunder to get to level 11. I'm more inclined to use the second one, since I'll have the "Fire" magic to help a little bit, whereas the first one probably won't have it just yet. There shouldn't be much difference, but I'm not for certain which one will be faster. **** - It might be kind of tricky to do, but it's possible that I'll need to kill a few extra enemies to get the necessary gold to buy the Talwar (for clearing Jira's basement up to at least the start of Ramia Village). Killing extra enemies might be avoided if I instead get the Short Sword from Legth in the Ruins, but I'm not sure that's faster. ***** - Unsure yet if this will be necessary. It depends on whether or not it's beneficial to do the Ice Ridge of Noltia under-leveled (probably not), and if it's faster to gain this EXP elsewhere (~900 EXP, so probably not). Well, let me know what you guys think.
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Post by korzic on Apr 9, 2009 15:26:51 GMT -5
No more real progress yet; still having a really hard time keeping certain things off my mind. I do have the basic idea for the Ice Ridge of Noltia, but there's still a few things I need to test time-wise. Probably a stupid question, but is Deuce the owner of The Legacy of Ys website? Just want to make sure, as there's some information from that Ys II walkthrough that may be useful for this run, and I don't want to credit the wrong person. And for Red Hairdo (and anyone else interested), here's a few more bugs/glitches that I've come across. Not sure whether or not the first couple count as glitches, but I'll list them anyway: - Ys I - In Time Attack mode, after defeating Nygtilger, the text box will still show up very briefly if you try to examine the crumbly wall leading to the Book of Ys. - Ys II - In Time Attack mode, after defeating a boss, if you touch the door with the Darm symbol on it (you know, that symbol that's usually in the center of a boss room), it will start to open, but you can't get through in time. - Ys II - In Time Attack mode, if you use the Smoked Meat (healing item they give you) at the appropriate time, the enemy projectiles will pass harmlessly through you. In some cases, you can even go through the boss (Gelaldy's worm, Druegar, Zava). I had hoped to use a similar method to bypass the rock golems guarding the Staff of Divinity, but it doesn't seem to work on regular enemies (none yet, at least). - Ys II - In Jira's basement, you can actually make it so the enemies keep respawning indefinitely (normally, it should be the only place that doesn't respawn them). All you need to do is keep at least one monster alive on screen, and then exit and re-enter the screens (two that can be cleared for 400 extra EXP). The "cleared" text boxes will never show up, so long as you leave at least one enemy alive. This is really only useful until level 18, and then you start getting very little EXP. Still, for the purposes of the speedrun, it's probably faster to just clear it right away (should get me to level 17 in a little under a minute), and then get any other needed EXP (at least level 18 for Tyalmath should be best) while doing the needed stuff in the Ice Ridge of Noltia. There's at least a couple more that I plan to use in the run, so I'll explain those when the time comes.
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Post by Red Hairdo on Apr 9, 2009 18:43:46 GMT -5
And for Red Hairdo (and anyone else interested), here's a few more bugs/glitches that I've come across. Not sure whether or not the first couple count as glitches, but I'll list them anyway: - Ys I - In Time Attack mode, after defeating Nygtilger, the text box will still show up very briefly if you try to examine the crumbly wall leading to the Book of Ys. - Ys II - In Time Attack mode, after defeating a boss, if you touch the door with the Darm symbol on it (you know, that symbol that's usually in the center of a boss room), it will start to open, but you can't get through in time. - Ys II - In Time Attack mode, if you use the Smoked Meat (healing item they give you) at the appropriate time, the enemy projectiles will pass harmlessly through you. In some cases, you can even go through the boss (Gelaldy's worm, Druegar, Zava). I had hoped to use a similar method to bypass the rock golems guarding the Staff of Divinity, but it doesn't seem to work on regular enemies (none yet, at least). - Ys II - In Jira's basement, you can actually make it so the enemies keep respawning indefinitely (normally, it should be the only place that doesn't respawn them). All you need to do is keep at least one monster alive on screen, and then exit and re-enter the screens (two that can be cleared for 400 extra EXP). The "cleared" text boxes will never show up, so long as you leave at least one enemy alive. This is really only useful until level 18, and then you start getting very little EXP. Still, for the purposes of the speedrun, it's probably faster to just clear it right away (should get me to level 17 in a little under a minute), and then get any other needed EXP (at least level 18 for Tyalmath should be best) while doing the needed stuff in the Ice Ridge of Noltia. Ah, these 4 are quite interesting, especially the 3rd one, thanks once again for sharing. Hm, as for the 1st, 2nd and 4th ones, I'm also not quite sure if they could be called a bug, but they're certainly worth of mention. Anyway, about that 2nd bug using the Smoked Meat, won't that bug perhaps also happen with other consumable items? Anyway, this one certainly holds a lot of potential.
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Post by korzic on Apr 9, 2009 20:37:15 GMT -5
Probably a stupid question, but is Deuce the owner of The Legacy of Ys website? Just want to make sure, as there's some information from that Ys II walkthrough that may be useful for this run, and I don't want to credit the wrong person. Yes, he is the owner of The Legacy of Ys site. You can tell that by looking at the site's donation page. Thanks for the confirmation. Anyway, about that 2nd bug using the Smoked Meat, won't that bug perhaps also happen with other consumable items? Anyway, this one certainly holds a lot of potential. Yeah, it does work with other consumable items, at least for avoiding the projectiles (haven't tested about going through enemies). Still, I don't know if it will have much use during this run. The going through enemies bit seems very limited, and I don't know if I can put that to use at all. In the past, I've occasionally used it during Time Attack if Gelaldy's worm had me trapped, but I don't plan to let that happen in the run. In regards to avoiding the projectiles, I don't see it having much use either. I'm thinking of using it while fighting Druegar, but that will depend on how fast I can kill him, and how much damage he does. At the very least, my positioning wouldn't be messed up, which his projectiles often do during Time Attack.
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Post by Red Hairdo on Apr 9, 2009 20:50:26 GMT -5
Hm, I see. Well, now that I give it some thought, I also don't see any way that bug could fundamentaly assist you on the speedrun too. Well, at least a fighting tool against bosses is always welcome. Just wondering, but do you think that bug may also happen in Ys I COMPLETE using the Heal Potion? Eh... I'm thinking of trying stuff. xD Anyway, nice finds there. xD Did you find that one by yourself or was some random guy from somewhere who revelaed it or something? (Regardlessly, I'll have to credit you for these bugs when I eventually record them for a certain Ys series bugs video I'm making with MP83 and kiyuki. Well, good luck with the run! It seems you're progressing well.
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Post by korzic on Apr 9, 2009 21:19:17 GMT -5
Well, good luck with the run! It seems you're progressing well. Thanks! Although I'll probably be a while before I get a final route done, and probably longer still before I get recording. The whole leveling thing can make testing rather frustrating at times. So many possibilities to test... Anyway, no, I don't think using the Healing Potion to get a similar effect works in Ys I. I've tried a couple areas (such as the narrow corridor on F17 of Darm Tower), but just like Ys II, you don't seem to be able to pass through normal enemies. As for bosses, well, you can't use items then (unless you count that Yog & Omu thing earlier). In regards to projectiles passing through you... I can't recall of any non-boss enemies shooting projectiles. =( But if there are some that I'm not remembering, it may be worth a try. As for the glitches, I've actually known about the Time Attack ones for some time now; I just kept forgetting to post them (damn short-term memory =p). The other stuff is all recent. But, yes, I came across this stuff on my own. If I wasn't speedrunning these games (both normally and the Time Attack modes), I probably wouldn't know any of these things, as much of it comes about by getting bored while repeatedly testing things.
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Post by korzic on Apr 17, 2009 23:13:04 GMT -5
Well, it looks like I'm going to need to put the Ys II run on hold for a while. I still can't seem to escape all of this recent mental stress, so I think it's best just to forget about this for a while. Even after a relatively relaxing and enjoyable day, it's still creeping up on me as I type this.
Part of me kind of wants to finish Ys II, but at this point, it will likely be a while before I even finish with the testing. Who knows, I may just cancel it altogether...
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Post by Red Hairdo on Apr 18, 2009 13:26:24 GMT -5
Well, leave it there as it is, at least for now. xD Right now I'm also holding back on playing Ys VI PS2 to check things out, for example, even though I have been playing Ys VI (all 3 versions) almost daily the last month. I'm taking a break. *sips coconut milk*
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Post by korzic on Apr 18, 2009 22:21:42 GMT -5
I forgot to mention, if anyone else cares to do the Ys II run, you're more than welcome to do so (as if you need my permission... =p). I honestly don't think I'll be touching the game for quite a while, so...
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Post by Red Hairdo on Apr 19, 2009 11:07:18 GMT -5
Ah, scratch what I said before. I really meant Coconut Water, not milk. I never knew there was a difference. xD Anyway, have one of those: (Not their brown, hairy counterparts...)
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Post by undamned on Apr 20, 2009 11:44:30 GMT -5
I forgot to mention, if anyone else cares to do the Ys II run, you're more than welcome to do so (as if you need my permission... =p). I honestly don't think I'll be touching the game for quite a while, so... I'm playing through it for the first time, right now Don't think I'll be trying to speed run it anytime soon, though. I'll be content to work on time attack or something that requires far less planning -ud
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Post by korzic on Apr 20, 2009 23:59:18 GMT -5
Red Hairdo - Those coconuts look good. =) Although it's probably not a good sign that the Roda Fruit was the first thing to come to mind upon viewing that picture. >_>;
undamned - Just to be clear, I wasn't trying to make you or anyone else feel obligated to do a run of Ys II in my place. Good luck if you decide to do a Time Attack run in the future, though. I posted what I think is a pretty good video somewhere in the Ys II section a while ago, if you're interested (but since you haven't beaten the game yet, you should probably hold off on viewing it). Ys II's Time Attack is probably the main reason I wanted to do these full game runs in the first place.
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Post by Red Hairdo on Apr 21, 2009 19:41:56 GMT -5
Although it's probably not a good sign that the Roda Fruit was the first thing to come to mind upon viewing that picture. >_>; Wow XD LOL You played a bit too much, I'd guess. XD
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Post by Wanderer From Ys on Apr 21, 2009 22:50:20 GMT -5
Ah, scratch what I said before. I really meant Coconut Water, not milk. I never knew there was a difference. xD Anyway, have one of those: (Not their brown, hairy counterparts...) Coconut water is the clear liquid stuff inside of a coconut. Coconut milk is made using the actual coconut. Also the green and brown coconuts are the same thing. The brown one is just the ripe version. The unripe green ones are used for their coconut water because they have much more of it, and it's sweeter tasting.
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Post by Red Hairdo on Apr 23, 2009 17:43:42 GMT -5
Bravo! Whoever has this much coconut knowledge has my utmost respect. *bows* Also, let us talk further about it, if you'd like, in this thread. I don't want to be more off-topic than I already was. Not in this thread. xD
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Post by undamned on Apr 25, 2009 14:43:35 GMT -5
undamned - Just to be clear, I wasn't trying to make you or anyone else feel obligated to do a run of Ys II in my place. Good luck if you decide to do a Time Attack run in the future, though. I posted what I think is a pretty good video somewhere in the Ys II section a while ago, if you're interested (but since you haven't beaten the game yet, you should probably hold off on viewing it). Ys II's Time Attack is probably the main reason I wanted to do these full game runs in the first place. No problem, man I didn't get the impression you were putting any pressure on me or anybody. -ud
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