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Post by bishopcruz on Aug 28, 2010 17:46:56 GMT -5
When the bosses were good they were REALLY good, when they weren't it was kinda painful. So much of the game was straight ripping off of Ys II it was crazy though. I mean was the Darm fight really necessary? It made NO sense in the least, and boy was he a punk.
Bami, Gruda, and Gadis were all pretty awesome though.
Beat it a couple hours back, it is a great game overall, but I still stand by the fact that it doesn't feel like a Falcom game. It's a bit too bright, the world design is pretty meh, and the whole game seems to keep throwing in elements of Ys 2 hoping upon hope to convince you that it is as good as that masterpiece, it clearly isn't.
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Post by Peytral on Aug 28, 2010 18:35:10 GMT -5
I, likewise, think Dawn of Ys was better than Ys II in every way. Except the last boss fights. Arem was just... his first phases were okay(except for the whole 'healing all of his HP' thing), but the final form was just boring. The Heat in the Blaze was so much better than Final Decisive Battle, anyhow. D:
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Post by bishopcruz on Aug 29, 2010 5:36:00 GMT -5
I actually like it quite a bit BETTER than Ys II, in almost every way -- level design, music, graphics, gameplay, pacing, etc. It feels JUST like a Falcom game to me, and I think the brightness and world design are both totally awesome. So yeah... we simply disagree, it would seem. -Tom I know we disagree often Tom, but yeah, I have no idea where you are coming from in this one. The pacing for me felt slow as sin, the things that you ended up doing in the game felt like rehashes of things I had done before... Save a guy turned into a demon... check Get turned into a demon... check Save a little boy... check Visit 6 dead dudes who grant magical power... check Use magic for nearly every boss fight... check Transform into a Roo for fun/profit... check Collect the Cleria Equipment... check Then there are the bits of the story that just kinda fell flat to me. Leeza was pointless, her backstory with Eldeel was touched on even less than MotS (which is hard to do let me tell you). The clan of Darkness was cool, but the whole Arem story felt pretty awful, he is by far the worst villain in the history of the series... At least Darm and Dark Fact had a presence in the story before you finally fought them in the end, Dark Fact stole all the Silver Equipment, killed Sara, and was a general douchebag you always heard about but never saw until the end. Darm was an evil force less involved but always in the background, and you knew it thanks to the intro. The other lesser villains didn't have much weight to them either, Guruda (should that be Gruder?) looked awesome, but I never felt him, same for the other two really... Leo was completely one note, I would have loved to have seen his expanded role in this game mixed with his characterization in MotS, would have been awesome. And finally Eldeel, who was just completely shat on in this game, I mean the Eldeen were supposed to be the most badass beings in the land, and he goes out like a complete chump... total change from what his role should have been, which was the main villain. Then there are the small little gameplay annoyances, the slow healing rate, the ridiculous damage enemies deal, invisible enemies, the fact that there isn't the ability to purchase herbs in every town, and the SLOOOOOW run speed that Adol has, the limited warping, excessive backtracking, horrible dungeons (with one or two exceptions), and being genrally awful at pointing you to your next objective. It pains me quite a bit to write some of this, I had been looking forward to playing this game for a decade, had been an Ys fan since the TG-CD days, and when I was underwhelmed the first time I thought it might have been my heightened expectations, something that a 2nd playthrough usually cures. Ys II was just better to me in every conceivable way, save production values... and Ys 1 and 2 when taken as a complete game blows this one out of the water. Every dungeon in Ys 1 and 2 felt like a real place to me, Darm Tower and Solomon Shrine being the shining examples of amazing level design, especially for the time. No dungeon in Ys IV came close to the brilliant complexity of those two areas. Heck I'm just finishing up a playthrough of MotS for comparison's sake, and while that game is also flawed I think it tends to flow a lot better than DoY does. The story isn't as well told overall, but the characters tend to have a bit more depth than they do in DoY. Leo, while woefullt underused is a lot cooler than his Hudson incarnation, Eldeel is more complex as well, even Leeza has more than one side to her. Karna and Duran though are much batter in DoY. The gameplay is also better to me overall, mainly because I find the ability to move quickly of greater importance than moving diagonally. The magic is a precursor to Ys 6, but it pretty much fails, DoY's magic might be a simple retread of Ys II's magic, but at least it is useful, MotS' magic just plain blows. And if whoever decided to not let you continue at a boss after a loss runs into me, we are going to have words. Strong, nasty words. The game is also painfully easy. And again the critic in me goes a bit nuts. Neither game is bad by any stretch, and objectively both games are better than say... Ys III (even though I personally like that game better than both of these). I also intended for this to be a short post, and it clearly isn't. I'll just say I still hope for a Falcom remake of these because the scenario is GREAT, but it has yet to be used to its full potential. -Bishop
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Post by Ascended Mermaid on Aug 29, 2010 5:47:13 GMT -5
I agree with Bishop entirely. Especially on the Eldeel bit. The only thing is that I feel personally, the whole Leeza story and people getting kidnapped was overall better handled in MotS. Not to mention the setting, the level design, plot, and storytelling. I have strong feelings about MotS, it's just a better game IMO.
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Post by JonahTHD on Aug 29, 2010 12:30:18 GMT -5
I've Played & beaten MotS, but not DoY. I'd like to play DoY, but I have neither a TG-16 or the game. that and I don't understand Japanese.
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Post by Ashurei on Aug 29, 2010 13:48:26 GMT -5
In addition to there being an english patch, you also don't need a TG-16 to play it. There does exist in this world a PCE/TG-16 emulator. They want you to pay for it, but if that's not kosher with you, it can be acquired by alternative means rather easily. Either way, Magic Engine is what it's called, and it works pretty damn well. I was able to find a physical copy of the game, myself, but I had no desire to find the console, so that worked for me. And if you're like me and hate emulating... which I know I'm basically alone in, playing DoY on the PC never really feels like emulating since so many Ys games are on the PC anyways.
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Post by RyuKisargi on Aug 29, 2010 13:54:47 GMT -5
If I ever get desperate I'll start it up on the Wii and have the script translation next to me or something.
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Post by Sardien on Aug 29, 2010 15:40:42 GMT -5
Same here, though I don't intend to get the console either. It was worth it just for the ability to just pop the cd into a player and listen to all the songs.
DoY is still my favorite Ys, even after a replay. Can't say exactly why, it's just the mix of things it has going for it that really clicked with me. That said, dissecting a game isn't a healthy thing to do, or so I believe at least. If you liked it, that's great. If you didn't, just move on. Typing bad things about it won't give you back the time you lost on it!
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Post by ParanoiaDragon on Aug 30, 2010 20:54:49 GMT -5
Once in japanese, & then again in english! My wife also beat it in english. Great game, & I have a Turbo, well, Turbo's/PCE's, cuz I grew up with it, & I love so many games on it, so, over the years, bought several iterations of it.
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Post by bishopcruz on Aug 30, 2010 23:00:12 GMT -5
The Turbo was the greatest! Ok that was a flat out lie, but it did have some of my greatest memories of that era, that and my Sega CD, Ys and Lunar two great series on CD! The memory of the first time I heard actual amazing voice coming out of my TG-CD when playing Ys will always be one of my most treasured. That and getting blown away when I first heard "Theme of Adol" along with the awesome intro cinematic, good times.
As far as overanalyzing games, that's kinda the point of internet message boards. DoY is in no way a BAD game, just overrated in the Ys pantheon IMO. And good lord its music rocks.
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Post by Ascended Mermaid on Aug 31, 2010 0:45:42 GMT -5
Again, that's exactly right, and how I feel overall. I need not say more!
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Post by schlagwerk on Aug 31, 2010 12:02:55 GMT -5
Alright I've now finished MotS & DoY
I liked DoY more, especially the boss fights. There's only so much you can do with boss fights when you attack them by running into them and only a little more you can do when you can shoot fireballs at them, but DoY definitely made each boss fight feel unique and interesting
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Post by megasonic on Aug 31, 2010 23:10:10 GMT -5
I only beat Dawn, but I also enjoyed the boss fights. Although I was a bit disappointed by the final boss. I started to play Mask of the Sun, but I didn't get very far because I thought the other was much more fun.
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Post by Rebel40000 on Aug 31, 2010 23:36:47 GMT -5
Well, I'm playing MotS now. After this I plan on giving DoY a whirl.
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Post by Peytral on Sept 1, 2010 18:50:01 GMT -5
Alright I've now finished MotS & DoY I liked DoY more, especially the boss fights. There's only so much you can do with boss fights when you attack them by running into them and only a little more you can do when you can shoot fireballs at them, but DoY definitely made each boss fight feel unique and interesting Probably has something to do with each boss' attacks practically being bullet hell.
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Post by Lunar on Sept 9, 2010 17:08:22 GMT -5
Yeah, the prices for the TurboDuo I've seen are pretty outrageous. I can't see throwing away a month's worth of rent and utilities on a machine I would use to play 3 games that I could just throw in the disc tray of my laptop and play.
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Post by alrightya on Sept 17, 2010 12:56:13 GMT -5
I have beaten both Dawn of Ys on my TurboDuo and Mask of the Sun on my SFC a few times each. Dawn of Ys is probably my favorite game from the Ys series. Mask of the Sun is good, but not really on the same level as Dawn of Ys or Ys Book I & II. Still a great game, just not one of the best from the series. I never played the PS2 remake of Ys IV, and from what I've heard, I'm not missing anything.
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Post by RyuKisargi on Sept 17, 2010 13:20:37 GMT -5
I've read through the walkthrough of Dawn of Ys, and it seems to be longer than Mask of the Sun, and it also has the return of Feena and Lair, apparently.
I wanna play it, but no subtitles kind of put me off. I'll have to print out the translation FAQ.
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Post by Disgaeamad on Sept 17, 2010 17:47:37 GMT -5
It's not that much longer, took me about 7 hours to beat. Also, dual screens work wonders at times when you need a translation alongside voice.
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Post by Zetsuboushita on May 5, 2011 10:38:23 GMT -5
Ys IV was the first Ys's series game I've ever played, and the game that made me become fan. I've played Ys IV for snes. At the first sight I thought it was ridiculous and had a poor battle system, but I still kept playing. Later I discovered I fell in love with the game.
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