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Post by yotaka on Nov 16, 2010 10:38:37 GMT -5
And this is why I said you shouldn't analyze the timeline too closely if you don't want your head to explode. We've clearly got an empire in Romn but they're fighting wars with Altago, which definitely is Carthage when you consider that it can also be written as Carthago and Altago has occasionally been written as Arthago.
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Post by gnosis301 on Nov 16, 2010 11:42:04 GMT -5
Another thing one has to consider is that Ispani at large isn't part of Romn. Does this mean Romn isn't at its height of power (if compared to Rome which did conquer the Iberian peninsula at its apex) or is Ispani going to be a fictionalized post-Moorish- or post-Vandal/Visigoth-conquest nation?
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Post by yotaka on Nov 16, 2010 12:22:28 GMT -5
It was Romun soldiers who chased Adol and co. out of Ediz in the prestory to VI and that's as far south as you can go in Ispani without swimming. It's possible their presence is limited to the north through Celceta and the coastal regions where they can land troops.
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Post by Adol.Christin on Nov 16, 2010 13:46:36 GMT -5
two words, or worlds aqtually. Ys takes place in one of our many paralel universes.
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Post by CrazyJo82 on Nov 16, 2010 14:54:17 GMT -5
I am not anaylzing anything... I'm just being that person that's throwing in the real fact into it. LOL
I love ancient history... so corrupted and yet, so parallel to current events
i believe that's the closest point between europe and africa and what is called the Pillars of Hercules.
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Post by CrazyJo82 on Nov 17, 2010 10:08:06 GMT -5
Although, wasn't Plato just writing on someone else's recount of Atlantis? The ancients didn't know of North America (nevermind the Bermuda Triangle) and believed that the world "ended" behind the Pillars of Hercules.
But theoretically it makes sense.... the vortex and the triangle...
I dont think the Roman had any navies during the Punic Wars...
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Post by Peytral on Nov 17, 2010 15:27:55 GMT -5
The Romans had a navy. One that, IIRC, was inferior to the Carthaginian one in terms of training.
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Post by CrazyJo82 on Nov 18, 2010 12:28:59 GMT -5
The Romans had a navy. One that, IIRC, was inferior to the Carthaginian one in terms of training. but it was unimpressive but it may have been during this time (punic war) that the roman began the rise in navy. if the vortex is too far north for bermuda triangle then we'd have too look at the myths of poseiden... maybe Cecrops' myths?
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Post by Rebel40000 on Nov 18, 2010 12:47:30 GMT -5
The Romans had a navy. One that, IIRC, was inferior to the Carthaginian one in terms of training. Let's also not forget that in VI a fleet of them got wiped out, along with two of their generals. That probably hurt Romn, since I don't believe that they were even supposed to be over by the Great Vortex at the time. *needs to replay VI again*
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Post by Este on Nov 19, 2010 18:41:19 GMT -5
I thought the Ys Eternal loading screen says Adol was born 1100 years ago. And the prologue to OiF seems to support that date.
But I guess it would make sense if it were set in ancient times, given all of the parallels to ancient civilizations (Altago/Carthage, Romn/Rome, Xandria/Alexandria... I'm sure there are more).
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Post by Este on Nov 20, 2010 12:25:51 GMT -5
Normally flash-back-narratives take place in the present, but I guess it doesn't have to. I thought there were enough elements from ancient times and from the dark ages incorporated into Ys that it can't be neatly put into any time period.
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Post by CrazyJo82 on Nov 22, 2010 12:10:55 GMT -5
2010 - 1100 = 910
that doesn't support the ancient world theory...
910AD is the dark ages... Rome collapse around 300AD - depending on your view. I picked 311AD as the collapse as this is when Constantine legalized Christianity and moved the capital to Constantinople (aka Byzantium, aka modern Istanbul) and this is when some braniac Rome senator decided it was too big for one person and needed to split into Eastern and Western Roman Empire.
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Post by gnosis301 on Nov 22, 2010 12:28:05 GMT -5
I'm not sure we can even use Christian calendar dates to determine when the game occurs. Don't forget that this game includes such apparent anachronisms as cannons on ships as well as non-medieval clothing and fashion.
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Post by Este on Nov 22, 2010 19:07:19 GMT -5
Yeah, gunpowder wasn't invented until around 1000...? Not sure about that date, I don't think it's well documented but probably from around 900-1100.
And yeah, I think the official date for the end of the Roman empire (and end of classical civilization) is 476, but Rome was supposed to be in a long decline since the five(?) good emporers. I can't recall, it's been too long since I looked at any of that stuff.
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Post by CrazyJo82 on Nov 23, 2010 15:13:03 GMT -5
yes, after the 5 good emporer, most people saw that as the start of the decline of the roman empire.
gun powder was invented in china around 950AD but the problem now is that this knowledge was probably not in Europe until the Renaissance 1600s.
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Post by Este on Nov 23, 2010 20:07:01 GMT -5
I thought they couldn't peg down the invention of gunpowder. Yeah, this probably shouldn't be looked into too much.
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Post by CrazyJo82 on Nov 24, 2010 11:04:14 GMT -5
well, gun powder was in china WAAAAAAY before the europeans had it.
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Post by Este on Nov 24, 2010 12:02:04 GMT -5
That's what I meant. I think it didn't make it over to europe until like closer to the renaissance. I thought written sources from Chiina were unclear on the invention of gunpowder.
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Post by Mutagene on Nov 24, 2010 17:32:06 GMT -5
Guys, you're forgetting something: Ys has islands in the sky, magical artifacts, and dragons. Why are we trying to put it across as realistic?
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Post by gnosis301 on Nov 24, 2010 20:27:09 GMT -5
Guys, you're forgetting something: Ys has islands in the sky, magical artifacts, and dragons. Why are we trying to put it across as realistic? So can we have the grrenlight to start the whole 'magic is just technology we don't understand' argument?
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