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Post by Raison D'etritus on Mar 7, 2010 8:50:55 GMT -5
I'll have to look into both Moon and Chulip. I haven't had much time for investigation, but I found videos for a few of the games from the list on Youtube. I don't remember which was which, but I know that two really stood out and caught my interest.
I know that Wyrd's tastes and my own clash enough that I'll probably have to pass over more than a few of these titles, but our tastes are also similar in enough aspects to assure me there are some there I'd love as well.
Incidentally, I just dug another title out of my unconscious all on my own: Berserk: Millennium Falcon. I listen to the damn sound track almost every time I write yet I somehow didn't think of the game till just now.
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Post by Raison D'etritus on Mar 7, 2010 10:38:22 GMT -5
Oh, I never dismiss anything without a fair analytic evaluation beforehand. I initially despised the graphics for Wind Waker, but played it long enough to fall in love with the game despite the appearance.
Things that strike me initially as childish or overly quirky/cutesy won't interest me, as I didn't like things geared toward kids even when I was one (IF I was one; born at thirty, so I'm told.) But I always allow the benefit of the doubt.
And I agree, my previous comment that some of our tastes are similar is made obvious by this forum. Then again, I personally don't know how anybody CAN'T like Falcom games.
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Post by Raison D'etritus on Mar 13, 2010 21:34:32 GMT -5
Got some more in case anybody else here is interested (or happens to come across it in a google):
Seal: Unmei No tabibito Eternity Sword Fantasia Sango Utawarerumono Wander Wonder Chatelise Arcturus: the Curse and Loss of Divinity
Also, has anybody here played the Growlanser series? I highly recommend 2 and 3 to anybody who hasn't (released together in English as Growlanser Generations). I'm hoping somebody can tell me if the newest one, Heritage of War (NOT RECOMMENDED!!!) is the ugly stepchild in the family or if the series hit a wall at a certain point (cough**like Suikoden**ahem) and should be avoided from there on. It would be a waste of money to buy more like that one.
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Post by Raison D'etritus on Mar 14, 2010 21:10:43 GMT -5
Excellent. If they're Falcom related they're sure to be good.
I haven't really been able to find anything on those games aside from videos on YouTube. All I can find on Eternity Sword is Seinarukana: Spirit of Eternity Sword, which ausdoerrt mentioned earlier. If it is indeed the same thing, it looks pretty strategy heavy and probably won't appeal to you. Seal, on the other hand, looks AWESOME. It looks exactly like old-school Suikoden, and by virtue of the video alone it just shot up on my list to right beneath the LoH series.
I'm half tempted to give up on studying multiple pronunciations to just learn 100 kanji a day in English!
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Post by ausdoerrt on Mar 14, 2010 23:16:33 GMT -5
^ But you still need to know which meaning of the kanji to use in which case to know the correct meaning, which is about equivalent to knowing the correct reading. Although, agreed, there's a bunch of kanji that are very common, whether to certain games or to games in general, and after a while you learn to recognize them. Playing a fully-voiced game helps a lot.
But frankly, learning to read and understand enough of, say, a game is heaps easier for Chinese than it is for Japanese, because there's a lot fewer homonyms.
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Post by Ascended Mermaid on Mar 14, 2010 23:31:05 GMT -5
^ I think what he means is that you don't necessarily have to know how to pronounce the kanji -- you just have to know what the kanji means.
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Post by ausdoerrt on Mar 14, 2010 23:44:43 GMT -5
I just find that it'd be a waste of time to try learn the meaning w/o learning the pronunciation. It's easier to memorize the meaning according to pronunciation in Japanese, IMO (since kanji are borrowed but the phonetics is original), unlike Chinese where it's pretty much reverse because the pronunciation is vaguely tied to character composition.
Then again, everyone learns differently and has different problems, so...
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Post by Raison D'etritus on Mar 15, 2010 5:42:34 GMT -5
Yeah, I don't do half-ass, so just learning one element of the language is out of the question. Though I'm still trying to find out what method of study best suits me epistemically.
I can imagine if I did only learn the kanji. If I ever get to Japan I'd have to walk around wearing a message board for communicating with people.
Thus far the readings are definitely my biggest problem. Remembering several pronunciations for one kanji may not be a big problem in and of itself; remembering several pronunciations abstracted from context is a HUGE problem. At first I was going to just learn the first one listed, as the the primary reading on online dictionaries tends to be congruent with the reading listed in all caps in the Kodansha Dictionary (leading me to believe it's the more common reading), but then I come across a whole mess of words I already know as pronunciation number two or three. Throw in the fact that the first reading is usually a massively overused homonym --seriously, out of three hundred words, six hundred and thirty seven are sho or ko. If that doesn't make any sense then you know how I feel. So even when I hear them used IN context, I don't know what I'm hearing because I already know too damn many meanings for that one word.
And trying to remember more than one pronunciation at a time slowed my erudition not by half, but by at least three times. Seems my brain can't decide which word to associate with a kanji so it just drops both of them, rendering all that study time meaningless. I'm probably going to have to stick with my original plan to learn the short, homonymous readings, then after I know all the Joyo Shos and kos, go back through and learn the next reading, and then the next, ad infinitum.
If anybody has any advice from their own experiences I'm open to ideas for experimentation.
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Post by ausdoerrt on Mar 15, 2010 7:32:05 GMT -5
One of the secondary reasons I gave up on improving my Japanese. The primary one being lack of professional motivation. The fact that recognizing the characters isn't in any way tied to saying them was screwing with me. For me, Chinese was more fun, AND heaps more useful.
All I can suggest, as for anything, it's best to learn things in context. Everything you learn out of context is easily forgettable.
As for the "message board" joke, it can be more true than you think. I regularly use the cellphone messages to communicate in China, and more often than not ask people to write out unknown words for me. So yeah...
Also, what wyrdy says is true. Although, have to mention that most kanji have more than one on and one kun reading. Some have A LOT more.
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Post by Raison D'etritus on Mar 15, 2010 17:10:30 GMT -5
Yeah, I have some note cards which are almost completely filled on one side with readings. Thankfully the kun are -usually- somewhat similar to one another when found in large quantities. If six different readings start out the same but have different suffixes it's easier and more fluid than the ones with six completely different words. Those I'll probably never learn all of. But what you've told me is already a big help, simply for informing me to focus on kun first (I was recognizing a lot more kun pronunciations in actual speech). The best info I could find before was that "different pronunciations fit different circumstances. . . you have to learn them all to recognize them . . . find out from experience. . . blah blah blah. . ." Problem with auto-didactic study is you miss out on common sense things an instructor would point out right off. As for me being screwed, I'm just going the long and hard way. . . Some people like being screwed long and hard. . . Once I can recognize enough words to pick them out in context things should get a lot easier for me, and there's no chance of me quitting no matter how hard it gets (physically incapable of quitting anything= -major- character flaw). The benefit to being an idiot savant is that I'm too stupid to give up on things that smart people know aren't worth the effort, and yet I'm smart enough to make it work in the end (I read Lacan before Freud: that's not just "out of context," it's downright retarded. A year later the gibberish actually made some sense... some of it anyway). Anyway thanks for the advice guys. You're a courteous and helpful lot. It's becoming quite apparent that the people on ALoY are more qualified to comment on anything than anybody who claims official qualification anywhere else. If I ever need a medical diagnostic differential or help with advanced quantum theory I know where to come!
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Post by Raison D'etritus on Mar 15, 2010 17:33:57 GMT -5
You're sick all over, and no particles actually exist anywhere. You're welcome. -Tom Nihilist! As a solipsist, your pessimism hurts my . . . Oh GOD, I'm disappe
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Post by ausdoerrt on Mar 16, 2010 2:23:02 GMT -5
Too bad you're not a girl. I'd hit it.
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Post by Raison D'etritus on Mar 25, 2010 22:20:41 GMT -5
RESURrrrrrr. . . well, momentarily lolling back to consciousness.
Found a couple more, should anyone be interested: Angelic Vale Shinden: Ephemer Shim Kitare (looks VERY good) War of Genesis III (My incredible powers of deduction lead me to assume there are at least two others) And Magna Carta Phantom of Avalanche (Prequel to PS2's Tears of Blood, and sadly, Korean, not Japanese. Good news to some of you, bad news to me.--There was an English patch in progress, but it is quite obviously deceased--)
Also, Wyrd you mentioned some of the earlier games I listed being localized by Falcom. Do you by any chance know of any others that I didn't mention? Falcom is yet to disillusion me from my perception of their perfection and I'm thinking I'll enjoy any game that their staff has ever so much as looked at.
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Post by Incog Neato on Mar 26, 2010 12:56:12 GMT -5
Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaah.
Magna Carta PC. X( I was on the bandwagon when Hyung Tae Kim's art was just discovered and ended up getting this bugger. The gameplay's sort of frustrating and load times from hell plagued this game.
I think, for its time, the recommended specs were pretty high. I remember there was lag during battles though my system wasn't top-of-the-line or anything then but certainly quite a bit above minimum. Ergh.
I think I was just a dungeon or two away from the final dungeon in that game when I stopped playing.
Writing about this has suddenly got me thinking I should try Ultima IX: Ascension. I'm sure there's enough patches (including fan-made ones) out there now that'll allow the game to be playable. I wonder if this atrocity was ever translated into Japanese? I'll google it later.
Hirm, I may also have a box big enough to shove the U9 Dragon Edition into now. But the trouble will be finding buyers, I think. :|
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Post by Raison D'etritus on Sept 19, 2010 18:25:43 GMT -5
Reviving this cause I added a few more to the list. . . just in case anybody else cares. (Some have English patches, so you DAMN WELL SHOULD!)
PSX
Ancient Roman (youtube vid kinda reminded me of Final Fantasy VII. For those of my generation, that is good; for those younger, it is a blight upon existence)
Rouroni Kenshin RPG. . . Seriously. . . it friggin exists.
Eithea (Atlus SRPG)
Lagnacure (RPG, vid kinda reminded me of BOF, if only because I'm looking for some kinda comparison)
Khamrai (strongly reminds me of Xenogears. . . which can only be good. Fuck that. GREAT!)
Kings Field got an English patch, which I only just discovered (the officially released King's Field was actually King's field 2, hence King's Field 2 is King's Field 3)
Super Robot Alpha Gaiden has an English patch. Looks like an excellent strategy piece.
DS
Blood of Bahamut
Tales of Hearts (See first two words in title) evidently has a patch underway.
Tales of Innocence has an English patch, and it is fucking terrific (as in good, not as in terrifying).
Soma Bringer has an english patch. I've heard it compared to a JRPG version of diablo, though I've yet to look into it.
If anybody catches anything else which has slipped under the radar, please let me know. These games were meant to be played after all, let's not let them die!
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Post by Mutagene on Sept 20, 2010 7:34:13 GMT -5
If this is the one I'm thinking it is, it not only exists, but has a fighting game-inspired battle system. Something you don't see very often. -Tom ... Where can I purchase this?
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Post by Zoelius on Sept 23, 2010 4:54:58 GMT -5
I have to say, Tales of Hearts is one of the best DS games I have ever played. The characters were totally awesome they were simple and easily allow to you connect to it. I highly recommend it , the japanese level isn't too complicated and most of the important scenes are fully voiced.
As for imports, hell I think the unreleased Tales game are always a good touch. They have a fun deep gameplay and the games are fully voiced.
And imo a game with that is probably the most easy to read is a dating sim. Something like Tokimeki Memorial or Sakura Wars.
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Post by Raison D'etritus on Sept 27, 2010 2:22:41 GMT -5
If this is the one I'm thinking it is, it not only exists, but has a fighting game-inspired battle system. Something you don't see very often. -Tom ... Where can I purchase this? shop.ebay.com/i.html?_nkw=kenshin+rpg&_sacat=0&_odkw=rurouni+kenshin%3A+romantan&_osacat=0&_trksid=p3286.c0.m270.l1313Mind that buying on ebay could mean possibly getting a counterfeit. The iso comes up on almost any google search for the game, so its easy for people to duplicate fakes. The full title according to gamefaqs is "Rurouni Kenshin: Meiji Kenyaku Romantan: Juuyuushi Inbou Hen" not to be confused with Rurouni Kenshin: "Ishin Gekitouhen", a platformer which got poplular reviews quite contrary to the positve marks for the rpg. Also, if you don't like ebay, always keep amazon marketplace in mind. As a collector, I've found all kinds of rare shit on amazon. Typically even if they don't have what you want one week, they'll have it the next, or the week after that, so frequent searches are well within one's interest. (I've also learned that it's a bad idea to put off ordering something when it IS available, as it can disappear rather quickly)
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Post by Raison D'etritus on Sept 27, 2010 3:01:23 GMT -5
I really should search on there for the PopoloCrois pajamas, one of these days. -Tom Once again, I wish I had a smiley icon that properly expressed shock and awe. Although I did once see a "I [heart] Georg Wilhelm Freidreck Hegel" t-shirt I considered picking up, simply for the goofiness (and irony) of it.
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Post by Raison D'etritus on Sept 29, 2010 2:56:07 GMT -5
BOOYAH!!! talesofgraces.com/Look at the frickin' status bars!!!! Gotta get me a damn Wii. . . NOW!
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