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Post by AllenSmithee on Aug 1, 2010 9:34:16 GMT -5
Hmm lots of interesting discussion... I'm still keeping some distance as not to get excited for something I can't afford, so if I seem grumpy about it, guys, that's why.
Who cares if there's a website up O:<
-- See, like that!
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Post by Adol.Christin on Aug 1, 2010 12:35:05 GMT -5
Well I don't care if the website is up or not. I just think it's a bad website. the content is good, I just really hate flash websites. they are slow with their crappy loading times and just look horrendous on mobile devices. jQuery is much better, faster and can do anything Flash can do at much greater speeds and uses less resources. [/rant] can't wait till I have the game though, it will be awesome to play it again and finish it this time
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Post by HJ on Aug 1, 2010 12:48:28 GMT -5
The hell is jQuery? Wait, I don't really care. Who does surf the web on their phone, anyway? In extreme emergencies I'll use the PS3, but that's as far as I'm going.
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Post by HJ on Aug 1, 2010 13:59:21 GMT -5
Well, I know people who use the web from their phone too, but when I say surf the web, I think of actually having an internet "session" were you browse around on the net and visit various sites instead of just checking some information or something like that on google or what have you. I even do the latter myself sometimes, but the former would be unbearable on a phone, IMO.
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Post by Varion on Aug 1, 2010 14:51:42 GMT -5
You may not like Flash websites, but I think you're in the minority on that one. I love 'em, myself (who surfs the web from their phone, anyway?!), and I think the "unwashed masses" are also all about them because of how... well... flashy they look! Flashy and eye-catching is the best way to market things to the ADD generation, I'd say. -Tom Flash sites are the devil. Bloated, slow loading crap that looks no better and usually worse than a well designed non-flash website. You're not wrong about it being the best way to market things to idiots, though.
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Post by unknowncheese on Aug 1, 2010 15:05:18 GMT -5
Cool site. Badass music with widdly diddly guitar. Seeing the locales and characters was nice. Looking forward to getting the game even more.
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Post by Adol.Christin on Aug 1, 2010 16:16:39 GMT -5
jQuery is a new JavaScript library which is totally unbloated compared to Flash, and you can do all the things you just metioned you loved about the site. I do love those effects on websites, I just can't stand to see a loading bar first. jQuery does this sort of stuff imediatly. I browse on my mobile a lot, I have a big screen on my mobile (HTC Desire) with an unlimited data plan (3G, HSPA and HSPA+. this means download speeds up to 14Megabit/s, usually around 8Mbps) for US$5 a month, yes mobile use is cheap in the Netherlands . and I'm stuck in Public transport every day to work for one hour for a one-way trip. so two hours every work day. so I read just about anything online and on weekdays I post on forums from my mobile as well. flash sites just take ages to load on a mobile phone.
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Post by Varion on Aug 1, 2010 18:29:51 GMT -5
You can't tell me this Ys Seven website doesn't look AWESOME, though! Those effects where everything "builds" onto the screen? All the embedded video? All the cool little animations for everything? Yeah, you could do it all without Flash, but it would be just as system-intensive with Java script... and without it, it would be a LOT less awesome-looking! -Tom It looks okay, pointlessly flashy though Can't stand auto-starting music either (and to a lesser extent sound effects). Not saying Vacant Interference isn't an awesome track, it is, but I hate it when I'm listening to something else and suddenly a website starts playing music really loud and I have to jump to the window quick to find the mute button. (Also, not to be picky, but Scias' profile says commander of the Dragon Knighs)
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Post by Adol.Christin on Aug 2, 2010 4:17:31 GMT -5
The whole SEO is also true, but SEO doesn't do anything with "user-experience" site loading speeds does that. people like fast loading sites and sites with easy to find information. my whole HTML5 over Flash is not because I approve of apple, I think they make crappy products, but more because HTML5, CSS3, jQuery uses less resources on both server and user side. for the green lovers here: less resources means less power consumption, which is good for the evoirement.
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Post by Incog Neato on Aug 2, 2010 10:50:59 GMT -5
Gah, it's become a site critiquing thread. ^^ But yeah, I agree that all-out Flash can kind of limit things for the audience.
As for Web browsing on the phones -- HJ, you live in some alien land, apparently :P -- I pretty much stick to ones that have mobile versions. I'm on 3G and regular sites like this one can take a some time to load and navigate around (with oodles of horizontal and vertical scrolling). :|
Also, wyrd, I should have just left out the comment about the profile writeups. It drives me mad to see the same info used on fan sites, guidebooks, etc. If it's the official site, then that'd be expected, I suppose~!
However, it's still super awesome that it's not a direct translation from the Ys SEVEN Japanese manual. :B
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Post by Incog Neato on Aug 2, 2010 12:00:23 GMT -5
If you're playing games on your PC, you should be more worried about those, because those eat up way more energy from the power supply than flash does anyday. But but but ... every bit helps. ToT~ If the Internet goes more environmentally friendly somewhere, then everyone saves! We all win! Even if we put in 300 hours of Counterstrike or something!
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Post by Adol.Christin on Aug 2, 2010 12:27:00 GMT -5
my whole HTML5 over Flash is not because I approve of apple, I think they make crappy products, but more because HTML5, CSS3, jQuery uses less resources on both server and user side. for the green lovers here: less resources means less power consumption, which is good for the evoirement. On the other hand, there are still issues with HTML5's video handling and so forth. The way the tags work for it don't give you the proper security for videos, from what I have seen thus far. Heck, youtube had posted on a blog or a news site of theirs that while they'll continue to work with the HTML5 beta, HTML5 has not progressed to the point that they can use it properly yet. And while people are all 'HTML5 is the new standard' - they need to have it pointed out that it will not be a standard until the W3C calls it as such, and that's not expected to be until 2011 or 2012. I know not all browsers support it (I'm looking at you, IE), and that there's that major issue with the h.264 codec and licensing rights that's running around. Mind you, I've not fully followed the whole debate of late, because of my classes eating my time. But on the concept of it being more green- it's not so much the processing power, entirely, that consumes energy. If you're worried about your computer being green, you need to make sure you have a proper, energy efficient power supply in the machine in the first place. If you're playing games on your PC, you should be more worried about those, because those eat up way more energy from the power supply than flash does anyday. Ian Hickson, editor of the HTML5 specification, expects the specification to reach the Candidate Recommendation stage during 2012. The criteria for the specification becoming a W3C Recommendation is “two 100% complete and fully interoperable implementations”. In an interview with TechRepublic, Hickson guessed that this would occur in the year 2022 or later. However, many parts of the specification are stable and may be implemented in products. source: wikipediait will take a while, but all the flashy things I see on the Ys SEVEN website can be done in jQuery and is much friendlier for recources and therefore better to view on smart phones. I hardly use mobile websites on my Desire, heck I didn't even use them on my Touch Pro 2. The resolution on the current smartphones is nearing that of PCs, with 480x800 WVGA being standard almost for phones. on these resolutions mobile websites look like crap.
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Post by Incog Neato on Aug 2, 2010 19:34:08 GMT -5
I hardly use mobile websites on my Desire, heck I didn't even use them on my Touch Pro 2. The resolution on the current smartphones is nearing that of PCs, with 480x800 WVGA being standard almost for phones. on these resolutions mobile websites look like crap. That ain't the case with the LG Xenon. :P
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Post by Peytral on Aug 2, 2010 23:28:48 GMT -5
This site is absolutely incredible. My knowledge of Ys Seven has practically quadrupled since going on it. I have one complaint though.
The links to the PSP wallpapers don't work. D:
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Post by AllenSmithee on Aug 3, 2010 1:23:16 GMT -5
I personally hate Flash sites, and I'm ADHD, so...
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Post by Adol.Christin on Aug 3, 2010 4:11:45 GMT -5
I hardly use mobile websites on my Desire, heck I didn't even use them on my Touch Pro 2. The resolution on the current smartphones is nearing that of PCs, with 480x800 WVGA being standard almost for phones. on these resolutions mobile websites look like crap. That ain't the case with the LG Xenon. :P That's why the Desires and Samsung Galaxy S' are called super smartphones, 1GHz procesors, large high res. screens. 720P HD camera's, etc. note that I don't note the iPhoney 4, a cell phone you can't make a call with is just not a phone or smart for that matter... heck a LG Xenon is better than an iPhoney 4 ;D
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Post by AllenSmithee on Aug 3, 2010 12:26:25 GMT -5
Yes, well... you're the exception to a lot of rules, Smithee. I think that's been pretty well-established at this point. -Tom Do those rules include The Law? I'll have to check the site out more, once I go on my mom's computer. Regardless of my rage against flash sites, I think that you and the rest of the guys who put work into it deserve my time for that
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Post by syraxis on Aug 3, 2010 12:41:35 GMT -5
<3 it! Props to the developer.
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Post by Peytral on Aug 3, 2010 15:44:22 GMT -5
Also, a British friend of mine pointed out that 'Britain' has been typo'd as 'Britan'.
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Post by Incog Neato on Aug 3, 2010 20:22:21 GMT -5
Also, a British friend of mine pointed out that 'Britain' has been typo'd as 'Britan'. I don't believe that's a typo though. :o
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