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Post by HJ on Aug 28, 2010 16:04:03 GMT -5
Oh boy... If gameplay was all that mattered, wouldn't he have given the game a 10 if it's that awesome? This is a rather ridiculous point. People are just disagreeing with the guy, and I disagree as well. I don't think Ys Seven's story is garbage 0/10 material, I think it's average. It doesn't break any traditions or do anything original, but it's still told well with some endearing characters. Actually, most people complain about the many 7/10s this game has gotten, which I'd agree is too low. Regardless, are you now saying that disagreeing with the score is forbidden? And why in the world should I have to write a review to justify my opinion? People will put far more stock in the official reviews than my little fan-review anyway, so doing so would be largely pointless, at least for this particular purpose. Nobody said that. It seems like you're more dead-set on bringing this game (and its fans) down for some unfathomable reason than we are on defending it. Oh, well that explains why we disagree: you have no taste. No, I kid, but seriously their music is great from a technical standpoint as well. There's a lot going on and they blend different instruments together very skillfully. You can dislike the compositions and the sound of the music regardless, but it is good music.
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Post by Incog Neato on Aug 28, 2010 16:31:47 GMT -5
Smithee's having one of his mood swings. SEEMS LIKE THE MONTHLY VISITOR HAS COME FOR HIM.
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Post by HJ on Aug 28, 2010 16:40:52 GMT -5
You mean he caught a shiny Gyarados?
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Post by AllenSmithee on Aug 28, 2010 17:58:26 GMT -5
You misunderstood my points, HJ.
For one, he's still gotta review the whole package, therefor the story is part of the review. And I think the biggest issue was how much it contrasted to the speedy and awesome gameplay.
I also wasn't saying that you had to write a review, I'm just saying he wrote the review, so you can't really argue with his opinion. Neither can you argue with his quantified opinion, because it doesn't make any sense to begin with.
Finally, it isn't just this one incident, it's that you guys are going absolutely crazy for it, twice over with the new English release. In what was is it more fathomable (Falcomable, XD) to bring a game up or down? Either or, it's all opinions, and mine might change when I play it. But I still have a bunch of other shit to play, and want to buy more comics, so I'm not spending money on it. A lot of my grumblings is basically just me justifying why I haven't bought it yet, because of all of your going weird over a video game.
Also, I'm tired of telling my opinion and people saying "wut". That's bullshit, that's not even a word (it almost is, but still), and I don't think that people offering their opinion should be greeted by such disrespect.
This-time-actually-finally, I never said the music was bad or anything, I just think that it isn't my favourite thing. I can only take so much overly power-y stuff like that.
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Post by sushi on Aug 28, 2010 18:00:23 GMT -5
This-time-actually-finally, I never said the music was bad or anything, I just think that it isn't my favourite thing. I can only take so much overly power-y stuff like that. Falcom music is so much more man!
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Post by HJ on Aug 28, 2010 18:12:58 GMT -5
But YOU'RE the one who said we should just focus on the gameplay since that's the game, and I said gameplay isn't everything or he would've given it a ten... It seemed like you wanted us not to see the whole package or something. Honestly, the story is pretty brief and you can speed through the cutscenes if you want, the story isn't MGS4-sized or anything.
Of course I can. Most arguments are born because two people have differing opinions and each want to defend their own. He put his opinion out there, and what's more, he expects people to listen to his opinion, since that's his JOB. I have every reason to argue with this particular man's opinion if I disagree with it.
We're just excited about a series we really like being localized after it's western future was uncertain for such a long time. Also, it's a great game. What's wrong with being excited? Something would be amiss if we weren't excited!
When you present an opinion like this, be prepared to have people disagree with it. If you can't take people disagreeing with you, then don't put yourself out there. I'm sorry, but that's just how it works.
Well, like sushi said, Ys music is much more than that. Like I said, it's fine if you don't like Ys music, I just wanted to comment on it.
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Post by Este on Aug 28, 2010 18:28:46 GMT -5
Eh, Peytral, Jeremy Parish is certainly not one of those RPGs suck guys. He hosts Active Time Babble and although is tired of a lot of the crap (who isn't?) he still loves a good RPG. He sounds a lot like he's sick of reading through plot... which is kinda what an RPG is in the first place. If he's so tired of it, he shouldn't be the one reviewing the game, now should he? That's like being the FPS reviewer but being tired of blood and overly macho men.
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Post by AllenSmithee on Aug 28, 2010 18:38:12 GMT -5
Well no, Wyrd, because while the story is throwaway in say Ys I & II it's also barely there.
From what he's saying, is that there's a lot of crap to slog through, I think that's the issue.
Este, I don't think he's sick of reading plot, I think he's sick of reading mediocre plot.
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Post by HJ on Aug 28, 2010 18:46:08 GMT -5
Ha, you said it yourself! Mediocre plot.
He may indeed be tired of mediocre plots, but that doesn't mean he should take his frustration out on Ys Seven and shoot the plot to hell and call it awful when it is in fact only mediocre.
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Post by Peytral on Aug 28, 2010 18:52:49 GMT -5
My standards must be too low or something then, because I liked Ys Seven's plot a lot. It may have been extremely cliche, but it took those cliches and churned out several Crowning Moments of Awesome/Heartwarming. An example of the former would be the part with the arena. IMO, that part was done in an amazingly badass way, that counteracted the predictability of it happening. D:
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Post by HJ on Aug 28, 2010 18:56:58 GMT -5
I didn't like it a lot, but I thought it had its moments, like the arena part, and Tia and Maya's relationship. I felt it was pretty heartwarming and explored sufficiently to make me care about the events later in the game. All in all though, I really can't claim it's any better than average, but I don't really care. It served its purpose.
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Post by Este on Aug 28, 2010 20:14:15 GMT -5
Este, I don't think he's sick of reading plot, I think he's sick of reading mediocre plot. Fair enough. He hailed the gameplay as top-notch, I guess that's the important thing.
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Post by Alyindar on Aug 28, 2010 22:57:21 GMT -5
Didn't see it mentioned, RPGFan review posted. 90% overall, complementing gameplay but criticizing graphic quality and story originality. A fair overview, I felt the writer actually played the entire game and not just bits before sitting down and making a review. www.rpgfan.com/reviews/Ys_SEVEN/index.html
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Post by Peytral on Aug 28, 2010 23:32:05 GMT -5
That's definitely the most fair review so far, and I pretty much agree with him on all points(except that, never having played OiF or Ys VI, I got used to the 3D graphics quickly).
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Post by AllenSmithee on Aug 29, 2010 12:15:01 GMT -5
Yeah, Pat did it! Badass, Gann is the man.
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Post by HJ on Aug 29, 2010 12:17:18 GMT -5
I've always thought Patrick Gann is a pretty cool guy. He also made some very positive reviews about the SnK trilogy's soundtracks, which is what inspired me to get them.
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Post by AllenSmithee on Aug 29, 2010 12:46:32 GMT -5
Yeah, he's extremely well versed, and even if his writing style isn't my favourite (although it didn't bother me in the Ys Seven review) he manages to be informative and convey his opinion well.
And in my conversations with him, he's a joy to talk to. He and the rest of the OSV guys that I've had conversations with are, from my experience, along with Ishaan of Siliconera.
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Post by AllenSmithee on Aug 29, 2010 13:36:40 GMT -5
It's the only site with "Fan" in its name that I take seriously, I'll give them that!
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Post by Rebel40000 on Aug 29, 2010 14:39:57 GMT -5
The punch better have the strength to crush walls!
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Post by thepeaguy on Jul 25, 2011 9:10:02 GMT -5
The reason why Ys Seven and jrpgs in general are getting mediocre press from "professional" reviewers these days is due to this: lack of bribes. Every contemporary Call of Duty I've played has near perfect reviews when it's practically the same game over and over. Black Ops and MW2 are fun but they're broken and deserve a score of 7/10 to be fair. (It makes me laugh when IGN berates jrpgs in their article for being the same shit when you look at the current trend of American and European games.) If I had to read a game review I'd rather hear it from unprofessional reviewers who aren't bribed and shit.
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