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Post by regalsin on Oct 1, 2010 7:39:34 GMT -5
Okay, since we all like Storylines, I was wondering, on a personal scale, what is your version of chronological order, to what occured in the Y's, and why do you believe this to be so?
Y's 1 Y's 2
Y's 4:Dawn
Y's 3- Y's etc.
Y's 4:Dawn
Now look, in my book, Y's 1 and 2 are practically the same game. They second game is the over all ending of Y's.
The official third game, was basically Falcom panning out.
However after seeing other RPG games, and since 3d game consoles was on the rise, they decided to close the Y's series with Dawn.
While Dawn is the official third game. It only third, since it is the correct chornological order. Dogi going on adventures with Adol. This eventually leads to Y's 3.
HOWEVER. Since Y's 4 also shows Adol's children and Wife. Along with his Wife reading from a book. It is like an extension to say.....There will be more adventures of daddy, from mommies magical book. This is like something for future generations.
Flash foward to today. Falcom did the SNES, PSX, Saturn, blah blah NDS, 360. All of these games are basically stories from mommies book. In terms of branching out, the games like that of SEGA's Shining series. All being read from a book.
I don't really count anything after Dawns asides Y's 3. Since that was before it. Everything is just fanstub. If your a fan, then you gotta have it.
The SNES games in my eyes were just for the kiddies, ( I am lucky I was never one of those kids ) since the Famicom is a children's toy. Everything else is just more kidddie redemtion, like how society comics from the 1970's broke off into terrible VHS B-movies of the 1980's ( which is more watchable then any neo film of most standards ). Every Y's games after Dawn was just that.
I am too big to be a fanboy. The 3d is a joke to me, and I am too tired of being let down.
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Post by HJ on Oct 1, 2010 7:51:01 GMT -5
I'm not sure how to respond. There is a chronological order in the Ys series and it's as clear as can be, since it just follows the numerical order, aside from Origin which is the very first in the chronology. Also, there were some parts of your posts I simply didn't understand.
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Post by mister_e on Oct 1, 2010 8:47:48 GMT -5
I think the entire series is about Adol's quest to defeat his arch-nemesis Sponge Bob Squarepants and escape from the Matrix.
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Post by Rebel40000 on Oct 1, 2010 9:01:12 GMT -5
^ All in time for Christmas dinner.
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Post by HJ on Oct 1, 2010 9:04:25 GMT -5
Not in time for Thanksgiving? Oh wait, I forgot Adol is European.
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Post by gnosis301 on Oct 1, 2010 11:20:29 GMT -5
I'm not sure how to respond. That sums it up for me.
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Post by yotaka on Oct 1, 2010 13:47:31 GMT -5
Don't bother trying to make sense of him. He seems to believe that only the PCE games are canon despite Falcom not making them and ignores the fact that Falcom knows their world better than he does and has a timeline that includes Oath in Felghana, Origin and V through Seven.
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Post by Red Hairdo on Oct 2, 2010 11:37:29 GMT -5
Well, not in the Ys I anime nor in Ys Book I & II! xD Anyway. xD Let's never forget a few things: - Both Ys IVs have story elements that contradict the rest of the series (being the greatest of them all in MotS IMO); - Only TDoY was supposed to have an anime, and has musical arrange albums, though there IS just a MotS manga; - Apparently, it seems TDoY was considered to be the official version, but that was later changed in favour of MotS (and even was featured in Ys I~V Complete Works); - In that one Ys Music History album that came around when Ys SEVEN was released in Japan, you see artwoks of all Ys games, from Ys I to VI and even ORIGIN. For Ys IV, TDoY artwork was used; - Falcom never made any Ys IV themselves! xD I demand Ys IV ETERNAL. If you ask me, I'd say all existing Ys IVs are uncanon (as in, neither even are ABLE to be 100% canon, due to the storylines' inconsistencies with the rest of the series). And I think that may change in a not-so-distant future, assuming Falcom makes Ys IV by themselves by then. As for all the other entries, there isn't much room for doubt. - Ys V only has two versions in terms of story: the SNES and PS2 ones. I think it's safe to assume the former is canon, since it was made by Falcom; - Ys VI only has a single version in terms of story, pretty much. So yeah; - Ys ORIGIN is the only non-numbered Ys game that is canon I think. And Ys vs. SnK. I have my doubts about the cellphone Dogi game; - As for Ys III it has to be either YsF or both YsF and Ys III; - All versions of Ys II are acceptable, I think, minus Ys II Special. Again, it's either Ys II ETERNAL or both Ys II ETERNAL and the classical Ys IIs; - As for Ys I, for now I think the PCEngine version can't count, as well as the anime, since both don't kill Sara off. Aside that, again, I think it's safe to assume Ys ETERNAL is the official version, or both it and the classical Ys I games. Yay, mildly big post. XD I missed you.
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Post by yotaka on Oct 2, 2010 12:51:19 GMT -5
The canon games are the most recent ones made by Falcom themselves or, failing that, the games they say are canon. That means Origin, I-II Chronicles, Mask of the Sun (SNES), Oath in Felghana (PSP), V (SNES), VI (PC) and Seven in that chronological order. Anything else no longer counts.
You've got a point that Dawn of Ys looks like it used to be considered canon but since Falcom has since said it's not, it's irrelevant. Didn't happen and the ending elements that regalsin seems to be basing his entire theory on mean squat.
...Besides, we all know Adol's going to marry Dogi.
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Post by Disgaeamad on Oct 2, 2010 20:43:53 GMT -5
I think the better question here is why haven't you finished Mask of the Sun?
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Post by Peytral on Oct 2, 2010 21:18:16 GMT -5
Because Dawn of Ys is superior in every way. :D
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Post by HJ on Oct 2, 2010 21:25:08 GMT -5
Actually, it's non-canon, which makes it insta-garbage.
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Post by HJ on Oct 2, 2010 21:39:48 GMT -5
Well, if it was like a 10/10 game I could justify playing it despite it not being canon, but not when it's just some... some 7.5/10 game!
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Post by Peytral on Oct 2, 2010 21:54:37 GMT -5
Dawn of Ys is totally better than a 7.5.
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Post by HJ on Oct 2, 2010 21:58:08 GMT -5
Sure, better than the 7.5 of modern review sites, but not better than an actual 7.5. Well, actually it would probably merit an 8.
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Post by Peytral on Oct 2, 2010 22:05:41 GMT -5
Just stop being a bitch with your 'its non-canon so it sucks despite being obviously superior to its 'canon' predecessor'. I mean seriously. It's pretty painful to read.
D:
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Post by HJ on Oct 2, 2010 22:16:48 GMT -5
Well, the game needs something to counterbalance the fact that playing it is entirely worthless in terms of story and gaining a better understanding and appreciation for the Ys universe since it's essentially all just a lie. And I'm saying the game doesn't have enough "something" to be able to actually justify playing it.
Also, u mad?
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Post by Peytral on Oct 2, 2010 22:37:10 GMT -5
i mad
Also, that's like saying the Ys anime is 'entirely worthless in terms of story' just because it provides a really interesting take on the storyline of Ys II. Actually, that probably is what you'd say.
Also, you wouldn't exactly know if it has enough to actually justify playing it, seeing as how you haven't played it.
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Post by Disgaeamad on Oct 2, 2010 22:41:14 GMT -5
I never did see how Dawn of Ys was so exceptional and superior to Mask of the Sun. I enjoyed them both almost equally, though I admit that Dawn definitely had the better music.
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Post by HJ on Oct 2, 2010 22:42:57 GMT -5
i mad Also, that's like saying the Ys anime is 'entirely worthless in terms of story' just because it provides a really interesting take on the storyline of Ys II. Actually, that probably is what you'd say. Also, you wouldn't exactly know if it has enough to actually justify playing it, seeing as how you haven't played it. Indeed I would say something like that. Well no, I would say it's worthless in terms of story because it isn't canon. And I would be right. I doubt I'll ever watch it; I haven't wanted to even once. No, I haven't played it, but I know. I've watched plenty of vids, I've listened to the soundtrack and I know the gameplay since I've played several iterations of Ys I & II, including Book I & II which was made by the same people as far as I'm aware.
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