Ys Chronology

[bugs]

I'm a fairly recent Ys fan and I've just spent the last couple of months playing through the series. I'm trying to piece together the chronology of events and i need a little help.

Right off the bat SPOILERS I'm going to discuss the series as a whole including the myth ark so consider this your warning.

Here is a list of games in the series I've beaten. I couldn't get through the Famicom versions of 1-3

Ys Origin (I don't speak Japanese. I used a FAQ)
Ys I&II (TG16/Complete/Chronicles)
Ys III (TG16/SNES/Genesis/Felgana)
Ys IV (TG16/SNES)
Ys V (Again I used a FAQ)
Ys VI (PC)
Ys SEVEN

First off The official Falcom order seems to go as follows:

Origin->I&II->IV SNES->III SNES/GEN/Felghana->V->VI->SEVEN

My confusion comes in the form of the TG 16 versions of the first 4 games. It seems that Hudson took a few creative liberties with the franchise. First off, I believe that 3 comes before 4 on the TG16. In the intro of 3 they cut to a shot of Lilia as Dogi and Adol leave. In the background of this shot you can see Ys returned to the surface, suggesting Dogi and Adol left for Felghana(Kenai ) from Minea shortly after II. This means that when they return in IV, It's the first time they've been there since II. Also when sara lived in the TG16 version of Ys I that wasn't censorship on the part of the translators because she's still alive in Dawn of Ys.

Did I get this right or am i missing something?

Phew that was a mouthful. I have questions and theories about the Eldeen but I'll save them for later in the thread if anyone is interested.

[declairave]

You are correct about the order. Something that may clear some confusion about where Ys III falls into place in the series is the ending of Oath in Felghana. The ending shows that Dogi stays in Felghana as Adol heads to Afroka. Dogi is nowhere to be found in Ys V which makes perfect sense following OiF's ending. Ys IV Dawn of Ys' story was entirely imagined by Hudson and is viewed by Falcom as an "alternative canon". Tonkin House handled Mask of the Sun and the story they came up with more closely follows the story that Falcom was originally aiming towards. Sara not dying in the TG16 version of Ys I was a slight change in the story by Hudson themselves.

[yotaka]

Yeah, both versions of IV come before III/Oath, though the canon one takes place more or less directly after the end of II while the non-canon one has Adol and Dogi returning from traveling around to parts unknown between II and the start of IV (plus Sarah not dying and a host of other creative liberties). Oddly, while the details don't fit at all with where Falcom has taken things, Dawn actually did a much better job developing its characters; consider the disciples of Lefance in Mask of the Sun (nameless, faceless, pointless) compared to Dawn of Ys for an example.

In any event, your timeline is spot-on. The myth arc consists of everything but V and Seven (Oath adding III to the arc via some tie-ins to VI) and I half expect that when Falcom gets around to remaking the former they'll find some way to tie alchemy to the Eldeen, if only indirectly.

Dawn of Ys was declared non-canon by Falcom and even if they hadn't made it explicit, Ys Origin hammered the nails into the coffin so if you want to discuss the Eldeen, it helps to remember that pretty much everything in that game is entirely ignored by Falcom. No sense arguing a point that's had last rites read now is there?

[bugs]

Thanks for helping me clear that up.

I was saying the series goes 1-2-3-4 on the TG16 ONLY and 1-2-4-3 everywhere else.

OK and now for my understanding of the myth ark:

The games covered in the ark are Origin, I&II, Felghana, IV, and VI

So, long ago two races of people existed on the Ys world The Winged Ones or Eldeen and normal humans. It's unclear to me whether the Eldeen created the humans or they just existed together, like people and dogs. These people lived on the "Atlas" Continent with known settlements in Canaan, Celceta, and Ys.......Maybe. I thought that the Atlas continent was Ys Atlantis but given the map and statements in VI it's probably Ys North America. The Eldeen treated humans as second class citizens. They used them for slave labor and planed to use them for food. They had fantastic technology based around emel ore. There are five types of ore White, black, red, yellow, and blue. Black emel was used to create the Black Pearl and the Ark of Napishtim. White emel is what the Eldeen break down into when they die/Sacrifice themselves to seal something. After a while the humans formed the tribe of darkness and rebelled in Canaan and on Ys. I assume this is the time Lefance and his 5 disciples rebelled in celceta. The tome of Hadal says the demon invasion of Esteria also razed Celceta but that complicates 4. Maybe Lefance fought them off. Well the tribe of darkness tried to reproduce Emel and failed creating ash emelas. They tried to take over the Ark and this caused Galbalan to rush to felghana. Quick Sidebar: Is the Genos sword the White key from VI? They also Caused?? the demon attack on Ys. So does Demon = corrupted human? Also what killed the Eldeen? the Ark, humans??

The Goddesses Feena, Reah, and Alma Rebelled and founded the civilizations of Ys and Canaan. Feena and Reah stole a chunk of emel from Celceta that became the black pearl. I'm not sure hoe Alma Rebelled. They believed in Humanity and got burned for it. The series seems to come down on the side of the Eldeen or it hedges it's bets at best.

So again did i get it right? I know I'm all over the place but i think i hit the main points.

[Razorclaw X]

May 14, 2011 19:27:26 GMT -5 bugs said:

These people lived on the "Atlas" Continent with known settlements in Canaan, Celceta, and Ys.......Maybe. I thought that the Atlas continent was Ys Atlantis but given the map and statements in VI it's probably Ys North America.

No, I'd say they clearly mean Atlantis. Atlantis traditionally was a continent.

[Red Hairdo]

Definitely not Ys North America. Either Ys America or, going by Razorclaw's argument, Atlantis.

[bugs]

I thought the Canaan Islands were Ys Bermuda. The game states that Atlas is west of the Canaan islands...... If the game is a close approximation of Earth, there isn't enough space between Bermuda and North America for a whole continent.


EDIT: Never mind. I thought Bermuda was closer to north america.

[Este]

I'm a little lost about Genos' part in all this. He's apparently an Eldeen, but where did he come from? Are there any other descendents of Eldeen meandering around the Ys world (ie Elena)? I never thought of his sword as the counterpart to the black key... but that would be a cool plot point. I always thought that the Eldeens' wings were made of white emelas and that the wings weren't a biological part of their bodies.

Also, where does it say humans were used as slaves? Mind you I haven't read the text in the books in the first game lately (or any similar sources of information). Is that something that's touched on in Mask of the Sun (the only game I haven't played, DoY always pulls me back)?

[bugs]

It's the cause of the decline of Celceta in MOTS. The Eldeen were using the humans as slaves and eventually planned on eating them until Lefance came along.

[Este]

Hmmmm, this highlights the need for Falcom to do their own version. There's too much potential there for greatness.

[Red Hairdo]

Jun 1, 2011 18:44:23 GMT -5 bugs said:

It's the cause of the decline of Celceta in MotS. The Eldeen were using the humans as slaves and eventually planned on eating them until Lefance came along.

Actually, if one is to go by what's said in MotS, it was never said the humans were used as slaves. However, it's true in MotS it was said that the humans, in the end, would eventually be consumed as food.

This line is said by the village elder of... I forgot the village name. Was it Komodo? Wind Village of Komodo...? Adol, who talks in MotS, answered it with "...". XD
I remember I imagined him going like: "Feena... ; ; You meanie *used*".
*shot*

Eitherway, the old man said something like "Humans and eldeens lived together in harmony, however a war broke out once the humans found out the eldeens simply wanted to eventually enjoy them as a kind of food.".

[Este]

How does that happen? I live in harmony with the other people in my apartment but never once thought of them as food.

Although...

[Red Hairdo]

xD

I think I know what that "although" stands for. =P

Eitherway, yeah, it really made no sense.