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Post by Red Hairdo on Jun 18, 2012 1:06:24 GMT -5
That's what I do, for sure. First, DVDs. Then to upload it in multiple places. Then copy and paste it on multiple computers geographically distant. And send it to people I know so they keep it on their machines as well.
For things I REALLY care. Or so.
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Post by Sinful on Jun 18, 2012 5:32:13 GMT -5
That's what I do, for sure. First, DVDs. Then to upload it in multiple places. Then copy and paste it on multiple computers geographically distant. And send it to people I know so they keep it on their machines as well. For things I REALLY care. Or so. Wow, that's really hardcore. The best I thought of is setting two hard drives for one kinda of setup (I'm not sure of the technical term, my buddy is the one with all the computer building, and etc. know how. He the one that suggested a couple of things when I was concerned of a hard drive breakdown and losing all my precious files).
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Post by Xalphenos on Jun 18, 2012 10:58:47 GMT -5
I guess you're talking about RAID 1? Where you have at least two drives and one is just a mirror of the other. While RAID is great any techie who knows his stuff will tell you it is not the best Backup solution. While it isn't very likely that both drives will fail at the same time you are esentially using both drives all the time. So a backup drive that isn't used everyday would be still be a better option atleast for the important stuff.
While Red Hairdo does seem a little hard core he's really not that far out there. For my really important stuff, Family photos, Digital purchases that I can't redownload etc. I have on my computer, my wife's laptop, Local DVD and external HDD backups, and DVD backups at my Parents' house in another state.
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Post by Alyindar on Jun 18, 2012 12:47:56 GMT -5
And then what if that drive dies and you lose everything? Would you have to have backups of your backups? I work on the mainframe, so my response is to say back everything up on tape, it lasts forever!
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Post by Red Hairdo on Jun 19, 2012 10:44:56 GMT -5
I considered that, except for that one has to be filthy rich AFAIK. ;P
Kinda can't invest on things beyond DVDs. xD
P.S.: And whoever ONLY uses USBs to back things up... Don't. You might even use those as an extra, but if you rely only on them, one day you'll be sorry... Same for External HDs.
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Post by lailmith on Jun 19, 2012 16:41:40 GMT -5
Why backup? It is not like it is going to break down tomorrow anyway. Right?
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Post by Red Hairdo on Jun 19, 2012 20:45:46 GMT -5
Wrong. Well, eventually. In my case, my house could be robbed as well. My neighbors got robbed a few times (like total home invasion) and took away anything that looked valuable, such as laptops and desktops. Plus, random computer virus. Plus, Windows OS isn't as stable as it should be. Not even Windows XP. In the case of Windows Vista/7, if the power plug is...erm, unplugged, there's the chance the data will be lost (same for Mac OS X, in fact). Perhaps power shortages also count. Random coffee being dropped on the equipment sometimes happen, too. Hm, thunderstorms could also damage things. Well, there's no end to the list, and of course, none of those are something like "MUST BACK UP NAO! ELSE I LOSE EVERYTHING!"-inducing. But as it's said, no harm in being too careful. The lack of backups has bitten me back in the past. :/ Guess that has happened to everyone at some point, or *tudum*, still is about to happen.
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Post by Ghaleon on Jun 20, 2012 9:49:52 GMT -5
Problem is, the fewer copies of something you produce, the more expensive each copy is -- by quite a lot. Some places won't even make print runs that small to begin with, too. We'd have to sell it for a HELL of a lot of money... and the number of fans willing to pay that kind of money for an ultra-limited print run is nowhere near as big as you might think, sadly. -Tom Y'know Tom, this has always made me wonder just how insane those cases and manuals are to produce. Physical printouts of instruction manuals and inserts do indeed add up very quickly. (i've had to head up overseeing limited edition collectible card distributions before, and for only a small stack of 100 with very basic design and physical effects, it ran me 10 bucks!) I wonder, how much is the average ballpark price to produce a title anyways these days? (I probably won't get an answer due to that being kept under most NDA's, but i'd very much love one regardless.) Over the years it seems to me physical distribution costs have skyrocketed, and I can't help but begin to wonder why. If memory serves correctly, another company called Working Designs (now known as Gaijinworks) went under due to the fact that production costs far outweighed profit made back, particularly from bundled games (which was at Sony's discretion if I recall also). So instead of making two separate retail sales, their production cost was doubled, and their sales were halved. I really don't want XSEED to suffer the same fate, since I can see all the heart and hard work you put into your products; so if digital distribution is a way to make it through any turbulent times for now, then I suppose its a good thing that's at least an option. Its not like this is something that will always remain this way after all. I mean, if you all manage to turn a lot more profit down the line, i'm sure physical distribution wouldn't be an issue. But like so many things in this world, money rules over all things. I'm sure you all have many other costs besides just producing these titles, after all. Still, it warms my heart that you all have brought over so many titles, and have provided such an amazing service to many fans outside japan. You've also been awesome enough to take so much pride in your omake goods you include with your titles for your fans to buy. I can vouch for the awesome quality of the Ys Seven cloth maps (having actually seen those types of product being made before), and the soundtracks are such a classy touch too. Unfortunately, it all comes at such a cost. That said, I'd be happy to continue supporting you all with the hopes that someday you become a household name the world over, and no longer need to worry about things like funds to produce products, or any other woes. And Tom, one day I hope to have the pleasure of sitting down with you and your co workers over a cup of coffee or tea, and hearing all your stories about why you formed XSEED, what drives you all, and your dreams for the future. (Not to mention the good and bad times during production of these titles.) Your part of a company that still has heart in a market dominated by so many that focus solely on turning a profit, as opposed to remembering what got them where they are to begin with; and that to me makes you and everyone at XSEED amazing people. So up front, let me personally say thanks for all your hard work!
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Post by Kuro-chan on Jun 21, 2012 15:14:21 GMT -5
Also, the option of backing things up isn't even available for some platforms if something goes wrong with something you physically own. For example, coffee fell on your SNES and in it was a game cartridge. Both can't be retrieved and go to waste. You can always buy extra stuff to i. e. backup the cartridge itself and whatnot, but that's even harder than backing up certain kinds of digital stuff... Depends on the situation. For that said SNES, if the cartridge was not running a battery backup and the system was unplugged (Which is my standard procedure when not using a console), it can be easily salvaged, provided you have the tools to open it up and clean it. A drink spill does not necessarily mean the said console and cartridge is lost. I have ripped apart several cartridge games, scrubbed them with soap and water, put them back together (after a lengthy dry period) and they worked just fine, some of them were actually working compared to before. Same with an older Gameboy handheld. I simply made sure it had no power going through it before cleaning it.
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Post by Incog Neato on Jun 21, 2012 19:12:31 GMT -5
Wow. People that don't do back ups of back ups. One day, you may just regret the decision. It's better to do an extra one just in case, IMO. I have some stuff that's duplicated on 2 - 3 hard drives (not in RAID set-up though). :P I am considering taking the extra step and moving some of that stuff to DVD-R since I have a sneaky suspicion one of the external hard drives is due for death in the next few years (or even months) as it sporadically has boot up issues.
Anyway, the whole reason I'm replying is that I don't mind digital downloads. I've been grabbing PC games through that method for the past few years though I will purchase hard copy versions if the price is right (assuming I didn't already buy the game via some digital service beforehand). ^^
For games, I do kind of prefer physical versions (especially limited editions!) but for books, I love me some digital stuff since I want shelf space for other things! :P
Oh yeah, I did kind of frown at Unchained Blades as being DD since I was hoping to get a physical manual with it. ^.^~
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Post by Red Hairdo on Jun 22, 2012 14:17:55 GMT -5
Also, the option of backing things up isn't even available for some platforms if something goes wrong with something you physically own. For example, coffee fell on your SNES and in it was a game cartridge. Both can't be retrieved and go to waste. You can always buy extra stuff to i. e. backup the cartridge itself and whatnot, but that's even harder than backing up certain kinds of digital stuff... Depends on the situation. For that said SNES, if the cartridge was not running a battery backup and the system was unplugged (Which is my standard procedure when not using a console), it can be easily salvaged, provided you have the tools to open it up and clean it. A drink spill does not necessarily mean the said console and cartridge is lost. I have ripped apart several cartridge games, scrubbed them with soap and water, put them back together (after a lengthy dry period) and they worked just fine, some of them were actually working compared to before. Same with an older Game Boy handheld. I simply made sure it had no power going through it before cleaning it. Generally, if something like coffee fell on your system/cartridge, it did because you were drinking it while playing, thus having everything turned on. Also, the main point on that was that this is not something to worry about with things doing digital. Spilling coffee over something you can download/recopy again. That's the idea.
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Post by nectarsis on Sept 20, 2012 17:46:14 GMT -5
One of my biggest complaint s of DD only (besides the aforementioned collect-ability, etc.) is cost. In many cases a $30-50 game is a WHOPPING $5-10 cheaper...in some cases the same price.
When you take into consideration the savings from no case/art insert/manual that has been stated as being the bulk of a physical releases cost, throwing the release out there at a disproportionate "discount" never sits well.
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Post by Red Hairdo on Sept 21, 2012 0:34:28 GMT -5
Interesting. Never thought too hard about that until now.
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Post by ParanoiaDragon on Oct 4, 2012 18:58:15 GMT -5
That does make sense to me.
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