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Post by abaddon on Dec 20, 2013 19:43:41 GMT -5
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Post by Ascended Mermaid on Dec 21, 2013 13:09:36 GMT -5
He answered true to himself and his beliefs. We may not agree with his views, but he has a right to his own opinion, and freedom of speech. To discriminate against a man for stating his beliefs is not very different from discriminating against a man for cross dressing, or for his sexuality. It's great that everyone takes care in being politically correct, but don't discriminate against someone's first amendment rights. That's hypocritical. That's just my opinion, I don't mind if anyone disagrees or agrees, everyone has one.
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Post by abaddon on Dec 21, 2013 16:25:41 GMT -5
The first amendment only protects you from the government, not private businesses. He can say whatever he wants, but their are consequences for his words that he will have to face.
He violated the terms of his contract, and got suspended. Period.
In short: If you say stupid things while being recorded/talking to a reporter covering the story, you will face real life consequences for it. That's life, basically.
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Post by Ascended Mermaid on Dec 21, 2013 17:28:30 GMT -5
True. If you say something offensive about your job on social networks, you can be fired. Normally that doesn't apply to personal views or opinions on social networks, however. Your response makes sense, but I still can't justify work response on personal opinions, because Hollywood does it differently.
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Post by Xalphenos on Dec 21, 2013 17:32:24 GMT -5
because Hollywood does it differently. You bring up a valid point there. If he had said that Homosexuality was A OK and everyone who opposes it are backwards thinking rednecks I doubt it would have been a problem. |
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Post by ParanoiaDragon on Dec 21, 2013 18:13:32 GMT -5
I'm really starting to think that people(including GLAAD) are overreacting to this stuff. No offense to anyone, but they're like PETA. There IS good behind what they're trying to do....but they freak out! Like when PETA freaked out when Obama swatted a fly on TV. Under no circumstances, can I think of a way that the Robertson guy said anything anti-gay. He didn't talk about hatred of anyone, he didn't talk about violence or anything. He stated his view. While I'm not in his mind or heart, I didn't perceive any kind of hatred towards gay people based on what he said.
If this Robertson guy was working in an office, & a gay person asked him his view. Would he get fired? Who would be more at fault. Him, or the person who asked him in the first place? I'd guess he'd have to think & say "we shouldn't be talking about this at work". Then I think only the person to who brought up the question is at fault. Still, I think things are getting out of hand. I feel like nobody can say anything at all, unless it's in the privacy of their own home. I'm getting tired of political correctness, it's overdone. I don't know if just a lot of people get offended at everything they hear, or what.
I'll give an example, my wife was watching a video on harassment at work. One of the scenario's was about one black man who sent a black co-worker a joke or something about their race. That is considered a no-no. You get a warning the first time, but the second time there will be reprecussions! This is ridiculous! I feel like I can't say or do anything, even in jest, & even towards someone of my own race/creed/color/religion/sexual orientation/etc.!
I just plain think things are getting out of hand.
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Post by Ascended Mermaid on Dec 21, 2013 18:45:52 GMT -5
I concur, well said.
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Post by Xalphenos on Dec 21, 2013 18:55:33 GMT -5
I agree. Political correctness has gotten out of hand. I truly believe the vast majority of people arn't concerned with political correctness but that a very vocal minority is crying foul every chance they get and ruining it for the rest of us. Speaking of PETA they boycotted Nintendo because Mario can wear a Tanuki suit.
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Post by abaddon on Dec 22, 2013 10:32:10 GMT -5
Be that as it may, his contract was for a family type show, not a political commentary type or comedy type show. He is still allowed to say whatever he wants, just not in the confines of an interview about the show. If Hank Williams Jr. can be fired from doing the monday night football intro for saying that the President is "the enemy", than Mr. Robertson can be as well. (Also, MSNBC forced a political commentator to resign after mocking Sarah Palin on air.) Still think what he said isn't a big deal? Watch this video: WATCH: In 2010, Duck Dynasty's Phil Robertson Called Gays 'Insolent, Arrogant, God-Haters'Sounds more 'Pharisee' than christian to me.  |
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Post by RyuKisargi on Dec 22, 2013 10:51:04 GMT -5
Political correctness is out of control. If Miley Cyrus can make stupid comments about anything, or Justin Beemer can be allowed on stage, then an old man who says stuff should be allowed. Duck Dynasty is a reality TV series, and Phil Robertson is no trained actor like a Hollywood nutjob. Look at Tom Cruise and his almost insane reproach of one of the most nutty religions I've seen. Wait, Scientology isn't a religion, it's a half-cult with felon owners.  |
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Post by abaddon on Dec 22, 2013 15:28:21 GMT -5
To quote something someone said at another forum I went to:
"Sadly freedom of speech always gets dragged out by people who don't understand it when a celebrity is exposed as racist or homophobic. Just look in the comments of any news story (or Fox news coverage) following this event, or Paula Deen's racism before this and on back.
Being a backwards bigot earns rightful scorn. Really these companies could keep supporting duck dynasty and make a tidy profit from the many, many people who agree with Phil's racist and homophobic viewpoints. But most companies don't want to be remembered as being on the wrong side of history in 20 years. Surveys show that the emerging Millennial generation (basically anyone in their early thirties and below) are much more supportive of equal rights for gays, and these people are the customers and voters of the future.
He also said that he never saw any unhappy black people in the 1960s south when he worked with them as a sharecropper, and that they were all happy and godly and "nobody was singing the blues". Despite the fact that blacks were still regularly lynched for outrageous acts like trying to vote, and weren't allowed to use the same facilities (from schools to movie theaters to water fountains) as whites."
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Post by Ascended Mermaid on Dec 22, 2013 18:50:23 GMT -5
Don't get me wrong, I strongly disagree with his opinions. I wouldn't force him out of his job over it, though, because there's no reason to raise that much of a stink over what someone says. I've been picked on all the time in school, that doesn't mean I wish the ignorant kids to poverty.
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