**Ranpha**
Othclos
Looking up into your eyes, searching for an answer...
Posts: 150
|
Post by **Ranpha** on Feb 28, 2005 11:13:25 GMT -5
Haha, It's all good MP. No offense taken. xoxo Rika-chan
|
|
|
Post by Adol.Christin on Feb 28, 2005 14:16:51 GMT -5
I only said that it means obsessive hobbyist. but nowadays it's not so negative anymore as it was in the 80s when an anime(not 100% sure it was anime, could also be Militairy Otaku) otaku decided to kill a lot of people. that's when Otaku became a bad name. it was in that time anime became big in the US and they picked up the negitive word. but some hardcore fans (in any way) still call themselves Otaku...
|
|
|
Post by Zeithri on Mar 7, 2005 16:56:38 GMT -5
SO you people actually gets offended by get the nickname "Nerd"? If you look it up in a dictionary, you'll see that "Nerd" actually becomes "Person who knows much in certain area" - Similiar to that. I'm a Nerd in Mechas as you know I cannot see that Otaku is a nerd. Yesterday, I watched Rockman.EXE and I heard clearly "..chip Otaku?" ( might have been "Anata wa chip otaku ka" but I'm uncertain on that point, but OTAKU was heard! ). Really Adol? Is that the truth or was it just some Militants that couldn't longer be fit in the military but the goverment said "They've watched anime, they became obbsessed"? Like they always say: "They are the enemy, kill them. They are not like us, they are diffrent." Just as politiakans blamed Marlyn Manson and Violent Videogames for the school-shotout. Anyway, offtopic a bit...
|
|
|
Post by Shigure on Mar 8, 2005 11:30:08 GMT -5
Loool , and i would like to say that i don't miss the days when i used to watch porn and speaking of an "Otaku " , who would like himself to be called a loser ? , those Otaku jap guys sure need a couple of volts in their brains
|
|
|
Post by Zeithri on Mar 13, 2005 10:44:54 GMT -5
Then, it is posetive for me and I will call myself Otaku. I really DO NOT CARE about people thinking "Look, there goes that LOSER".
Stop being so Prejudice about stuff!
|
|
|
Post by sunteam_paul on Mar 13, 2005 13:01:30 GMT -5
While Deuce is completely correct about the meaning of the word 'Otaku' and how we are applying a western view of it, I think we need to be aware that it does have a different meaning in the west to that in Japan.
The English speaking part of the world uses Otaku to mean a much more positive type of 'fanboy'. The Japanese speaking part of the world uses it in a much more derogatory way.
We are in the English speaking part of the world.
|
|
|
Post by sunteam_paul on Mar 14, 2005 12:18:30 GMT -5
Yes, you're right. I think attittudes mostly are formed by exposure and maturity, but in my experience mostly exposure.
When anime / manga was a very, very rare sight in the UK, my opinions were vastly different. God, I would even buy games purely because then had a single anime-style picture in them! When Manga video started out, I would try to see every single thing they release (even reasiling how appauling the english voice acting was). But things change. You see so much of the stuff after a while that you can eventually sort out the wheat from the chaff.
I'd be interested to know what anime and manga you would rate highly Deuce.
|
|
|
Post by Zeithri on Mar 14, 2005 12:55:46 GMT -5
What the? No wonder you are all down with the word "otaku", you were "losers" as you so kindly say it. That's why you dislike the word "obsessed".
I do not know how to put this so it sounds "good" in your ears but you sounds exactly as the kind of people I truly hate, those who think "apperance" and "popularity" is everything.
I will call me an "otaku" just to get you pissed, especially Mecha-Otaku ( Obsessed with Mecha ).
|
|
|
Post by oddsocks on Mar 14, 2005 21:26:23 GMT -5
I have lived in Japan before, and so have watched a share of my anime (Eva first came out when I was in Japan), but I wouldn't really consider myself an otaku.
|
|
|
Post by sunteam_paul on Mar 15, 2005 14:59:46 GMT -5
What the? No wonder you are all down with the word "otaku", you were "losers" as you so kindly say it. That's why you dislike the word "obsessed". I do not know how to put this so it sounds "good" in your ears but you sounds exactly as the kind of people I truly hate, those who think "apperance" and "popularity" is everything. I will call me an "otaku" just to get you pissed, especially Mecha-Otaku ( Obsessed with Mecha ). I think you're missing the point. What I believe Deuce was trying to do was illustrate the actual meaning of the word Otaku in Japanese and in Japan - something that many anime fans are not completely aware of. Personally I would choose to consider the meaning different when used in the west (more positive, like a super-fan) despite its original connotations.
|
|
Lank
Rescoyd
Posts: 62
|
Post by Lank on Mar 16, 2005 0:25:04 GMT -5
Hell no. I'm not any kind of otaku. I have a life outside my house.
|
|
|
Post by Zeithri on Mar 16, 2005 8:16:46 GMT -5
Ofcourse the information is "todo" with everyone, but also anyone can piss you off.
You get it to sound like everybody HATES people who are finding a specific-topic better then everything else in the world, like if a Dog have the rabies or something.
Lank: Define what "life" is.
|
|
Lank
Rescoyd
Posts: 62
|
Post by Lank on Mar 16, 2005 13:15:41 GMT -5
Lank: Define what "life" is. Friends, family, social contacts, etc.. Activity. I go to college, and I am constantly on a path for improvement. My life contains interests such as video games, the internet, anime (sometimes), and other such nerdity. However, my interests are not my life. I I don't let a hobby define who I am. I am not an otaku. As far as I've seen, the difference between otaku (Japanese meaning) and otaku (unintelligent American meaning) is the same as the difference between fandom and "fandumb." add: I may be a little biased on this, but I do follow the Japanese meanings for the words I know. I staff/direct the gaming dept. of an anime convention every year, and I see/deal with about 2000-3000 squealing "otaku" over the course of 3 days. Guess what? They're annoying. They're REALLY annoying. Some of the attendees are really cool people though, and we generally invite them to staff the next year. The bulk of them are self-proclaimed "otaku" though, and whether that's the Americanized fandumb version or the real Japanese version, I still could never refer to myself as THAT.
|
|
|
Post by Shigure on Mar 16, 2005 13:51:30 GMT -5
Believe that, ur the one who looks pissed off to me Man <<< ( maybe i should have called u otaku ) i still don't get what kinda point ur trying to get us at , an otaku is an otaku , which means just like what the guys told ya , there is nothing good about it when u put it inside community definitions, only the people who watch anime would look to an otaku as u described but also a couple of them would not , consider me one
|
|
|
Post by Zeithri on Mar 17, 2005 11:42:51 GMT -5
Yes I'm pissed off, I'm very pissed of. It's just prejudice, sure you got Experiance of being obsessed, but just because of that does that mean that we share the equal experiance?
Yes, Mechas is the most wonderfullest thing. To compare it with something I can take a pilot who loves to fly planes or a Racerdriver who loves to race with his car, do you think they are "obsessed" in the bad way?
You can say whatever you want, in one way or another there is always ALWAYS someway to get to a person. There is ALWAYS a way to trigger the anger-effect of one.
Let's see, there was something more I thought of writing but I forgot.
Now, an Explaining: The only thing that ever goes before my thoughts and so is if I had someone to love, but guess what? They take a peak on me and then they cast their prejudice, do you know why? Because I generally dislike what THEY do.
What FUN is there to go out, get drunk, and end up somewhere you don't know?
That's why I get very frustrated when you talk about Otaku as a deadly disease, that is just *swearing word of your choice*.
If it is unhealthy? Well I have heard about people who have died during car races and flight crashes. Define what you mean with unhealthy, because it sounds like the people who are "otakus" are Fat Americans that weigh 800 pounds or so.
Now I'll define what life is: Life is what YOU do with it, not anyone else.
If you are going to compare your life with how everyone else lives, then you might as well die because then your life isn't worth the piece of soul it is attached to.
|
|
|
Post by Shigure on Mar 17, 2005 12:52:13 GMT -5
getting pissed only rises ur blood pressure = undirected link to diseases are u saying that comparing a Mecha pilot to a real plane pilot wouldn't be considered an obsession ? well , u just proved it is, I mean the way u said it , like it's the same as realty who ever said that there is someone in the world who wouldn't get angry ? if there is someone like that then he is sick , but here, we are in a forum we don't even know each other by names so that it would get someone angry well i believe i have nothin else to tell u , Deuce said well enough i guess i'm an anime fan and a video game fan , a game is a game and an anime is an anime , they are all well entertaining if u see them as that
|
|
Lank
Rescoyd
Posts: 62
|
Post by Lank on Mar 17, 2005 17:00:17 GMT -5
I like to think of it kind of like this-
I've always wanted to learn Japanese, and I've always loved video games. When I was 13 or so, I wanted to learn Japanese so I could play Seiken Densetsu 2. Of course, there was also the overbearing interest in Japan, so I went out and got a few books from my local library and started learning what I could before I lost my focus and drive.
Now, that reason to try to learn Japanese was a fine reason, for being 13. I'm currently 21, and a I'm a Japanese/Asian studies major. I'm still very interested in learning Japanese, but the reason has changed drastically. I now see language as something I can use to push my life forward. I aspire to be fluent in Japanese to compliment my English, and then possibly go on to learn Korean and German. I intend to move to Japan and teach English through the JET program after I finish with my studies for my Bachelor's degree. I see it as a wonderful opportunity to experience life in another country, and I may go on to do the same type of program for Korea, teaching English in Seoul.
My interests are the same but my reasoning has changed. There has been a shift in maturity here, and I'm glad I'm not stuck back at age 13 wanting to learn something for the sake of a game. Eventually everyone has to grow up. I'm moving on with my life, experiencing more of the world, and hopefully I'll be learning from that experience. That's life.
What do you hope to learn from sitting around in your basement collecting mecha, recreating epic Gundam/Giant Robo/Escaflowne/whatever battles with models that took you 30 full hours of your time to detail and customize? Are you doing it to support yourself, or are you going to rely on whatever job you've got, counting the hours until you're off the clock so you can organize and improve your collections?
|
|
|
Post by Zeithri on Mar 18, 2005 6:00:31 GMT -5
Stop talking down to me like I'm some spoiled brat. 1. I do not have a basement. 2. My future plans are to move to Japan, I do not want to live in this country.
I'm no OTAKU, but I am obsessed with Mecha because I find that entertaining. It isn't unhealthy because I do not laser focus on it as you said.
What do you have against otakus anyway? It sounds to me that you find them terrifying due to the unknown.
|
|
|
Post by Zeithri on Mar 18, 2005 16:00:09 GMT -5
I do not act like a spoiled brat, I'm trying to explain how I think but I get greeted by "kiddo".
Fine that you find it hilarus, no I do not remeber whom I directed that towards.
First thing we agree on, we're both done with this.
|
|
|
Post by Zeithri on Mar 19, 2005 5:52:48 GMT -5
I fill in FAN there Sounds better then biggest Human anyway
|
|