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Post by Rogles on Dec 13, 2004 16:56:24 GMT -5
Sadly, my original worries about the Ys VI PS2 music seemed to have turned out true afterall The latest gameplay videos at IGN sport new orchestral music playing in the background, even during the boss fights. The Mighty Obstacle is no longer there. I guess the music that was in the Konami demo disc (which was the original soundtrack) was just place holder music (to be used until they put in the new soundtrack). The new soundtrack is... okay. It's passable for an RPG, but it's definately not Ys. The only hope is maybe they'll let you chose which soundtrack to play, but for some reason, I doubt it. Check out the videos here: media.ps2.ign.com/media/627/627090/vids_1.html
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Post by Justus on Dec 13, 2004 21:55:12 GMT -5
Well, that's just great! Konami managed to make it sound like typical cinematic drivel. Why didn't they just hire Jerry Goldsmith and be done with it already? Oh yeah, that's right! Because Goldsmith writes GOOD cinematic music, and cinematic music can only be merely typical at best if it's in a video game. Silly of me to forget. </sarcasm> All of which is besides the point that Ys music is meant to ROCK. HARD! It pains me that they instead chose to go with what sounds like the typical RPG music blah-fest. Most RPG players who never play some of the better morsels us international fans are denied from Japan think that this is all RPG music is capable of, when Ys music is usually so much more. Whenever I've uploaded Ys music to uninitiated friends of mine, they always say "it sounds good, but I don't think it would fit an RPG." and of course most of these people could never be bothered to play a game that isn't sold in English on their local store shelves. I was sincerely looking forward to using Ys VI to prove them wrong, but now that chance is WASTED thanks to this crap. The change in music doesn't even make any sense! Neither do the 3d models, which don't really look better than the sprites at all. I mean, they're OK, and I suppose they animate more smoothly, but it's a shame. It USED to have some of the prettiest sprites I've ever seen. All-in-all, it's looking like the Ys experience on PS2 will be merely above-average instead of blowing people away, as I had hoped. Looking at these gameplay movies, I can practically guarantee that the game will sell moderately well, but not excessively well, and most people will come away from it thinking that it's merely an OK game. That, ladies and gentlemen, is a darn shame. Well, so much for hoping for an international Falcom revival. An "OK" game won't be enough to spark the revolution. Truly, the part that sucks most is that long-time Falcom critics like that bastard Parish will point to it and say "See? I TOLD you they were mediocre games." ....and Konami took so long to do it too, when it turns out most of the "improvements" are crap. Well, hopefully the new quests and stuff will be good, so at least those of us who do care can get a little bit more out of it.
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Post by LordDarm on Dec 13, 2004 23:23:28 GMT -5
I cant believe it!!!!! This is the worse news in video game history......I dont know whether to cry or throw up!! WHY? What made them do this? NOOOOOOOOOO! I have the demo and it rocks, now I gotta listen to star wars music in the middle of a boss fight?? idiots!
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Post by LordDarm on Dec 14, 2004 9:02:33 GMT -5
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Post by Rogles on Dec 14, 2004 9:38:24 GMT -5
I did that back in the summer when we were still unsure of what was going on. Might do it again though. I'd also like to send one to Falcom too, even though they really didn't have much to do with this. I just want to ask them to please not let another company completely replace their music with an all new original soundtrack, when they do a console port. So far, the only tune that is still there recognizably is Olha's theme (though Olha's theme is a very short and simple tune). I couldn't believe they completely replaced the item tune. That tune has been in every Ys game I've ever played. It's a signature tune! I'm sure they got rid of the continue music as well, which has been in every Ys game since Ys II. Something I find interesting is that these videos are from the Japanese version. I'm surprised they completely changed the music for them too. I'm predicting a large number of Japanese Ys fans to be upset over this, and I'm sure they'll complain too. We're not alone, at least.
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Post by Justus on Dec 14, 2004 22:21:10 GMT -5
I don't know as I'd go THAT far, necessarily. The game comes out in a month and a half, so from what I know about game development, there's no way they would make such a major change at this point, as the game is probably already deep in beta testing. By now, I'd say we're stuck with what Konami has decided, and whining about it now will only accomplish pissing off someone at Konami.
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Post by ParanoiaDragon on Dec 15, 2004 0:07:53 GMT -5
Well, I haven't watched it yet, I also haven't played the PC version, but, I know what I expect from Ys. I'm gonna buy it no matter what, I really want the whole series to come over here(not implying my one purchase will change that fate) so I feel support is still due from me, plus, this is the best I can do, since it'll be in english. I wonder if there's any chance that there might be a selection for original music, or orchestral........one can dream can't he?
Edit-Ok, now I've watched it, the music doesn't sound, bad particularly, but, it's not Ys by any means......it just doesn't fit. I like orchestral stuff in some games, but, this isn't grabbing me, but I'm freaking pissed off at the loss of the item music!!!!!! What the hell is up with that? The new music is lame, & it's just not the same tune! Hell, I was hoping they'd use the same sound as the Turbo versions......I'm sad now.
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Post by Rogles on Dec 15, 2004 10:14:18 GMT -5
I really wish Falcom would expand and get their own department for working on console games. They've been doing really well these past few years. They even have their own stock now. If they could do console ports in-house, that would be a blessing and we wouldn't have to worry about other companies messing things up. But I guess that wouldn't totally fix everything, since whatever company that decides to port it overseas might change something. Falcom would also need to expand and have their own international departments. One can only dream...
I came across something that I found very interesting on soundtrackcentral's forum. Someone mailed Konami asking about the music for Ys VI and Konami actually replied saying:
Thank you for taking the time to write to us. Unfortunately, at this time the game will have music that will be remade. There are song licensing issues that prevent an exact port of the game from coming over. Thus, the game might not even be released. The best solution was to change the music and hopefully this will appeal to the North American market, since many people have not played this game. Again, we apologize that we can not satisfy everyone who has already played this game. Feel free to contact customer service if you have any other questions, concerns, or inquiries.
I find this very strange. I not sure why Falcom would decide to license each piece of the game seperately like this. Perhaps they were charging a lot for the music and Konami was like "hey, we could do our own music for cheaper!". I don't know. Something doesn't seem right. What do you guys think?
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Post by CrazyJo82 on Dec 15, 2004 10:20:33 GMT -5
hey, i think this answer is better then some other company's auto-replies "your comment is greatly appreciated"... at least, this one tends to the specific issue!
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Post by Golvellius on Dec 15, 2004 11:33:29 GMT -5
Would you sell your songs,one of the reasons you got known for and everybody loves and worships for a dime? I think that Falcom wanted to take a bigger step in their economic position but Konami wouldn't pay up. I figure Falcom has pride as well. : if you don't give our songs credit where credit is due than you can't use them at all.
......*mumbles damn pride*
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Post by LordDarm on Dec 15, 2004 22:58:17 GMT -5
Justus....yeah I would have to agree with you....there is no sense in whining......after watching the preview clips it doesnt look all that bad anyways.....i think my expectations were way too high from getting the awesome demo disc......I am still very excited though! I even went today to pre-order it and the guy at the game store said it was suppose to be released LATE February (23rd or so).
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Post by FM-77AV on Dec 20, 2004 2:51:46 GMT -5
It's a shame that they have changed the music, and I can't believe they changed the "Get item" song! That's just crazy! It has been used in every Ys game so far! They can't change it! As for the other music, it's not better than the original music, but still pretty good. Cool with voice acting too, a shame the video was using that .... disgusting language. (No offence intended)
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Post by Justus on Dec 20, 2004 5:42:15 GMT -5
Aww...what's wrong with Japanese?
...well, I guess it's not my favorite language either. Real nasal-sounding and all that. But I like it better than English. In the last century, English has become way too abrupt and graceless for my taste, and recent trends indicate it will only get worse in the next century. I wish English had never "evolved" beyond 16th century style English. Now THAT was a freaking LANGUAGE. YEAH!
Well, Japanese is the original language of the game, so it's therefore the best language for it anyways.
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Post by ParanoiaDragon on Dec 21, 2004 0:07:01 GMT -5
Could it be possible that the member/s of JDK Band that did the music for Ys 6, have a seperate contract, maybe they wanted too much money. In otherwords, maybe they can use some or all of the same songs, but have to recompose them due to some glitch in a contract.
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Post by LordDarm on Dec 25, 2004 9:06:54 GMT -5
To bad they couldnt make the game with their own music but have some kind of way when you purchase the original Ys 6 soundtrack, to import the songs and replace them, then it would be a win win win situation........Konami gets their money, Falcom and JDK or whoever that is preventing us from having the true music gets sales with their original soundtrack, and we get our game the way it should be!! I dont think we are that far behind in technology to do this!!
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Post by Adol.Christin on Dec 26, 2004 19:58:08 GMT -5
But then you need yo get your PS2 modded to play burned DVD-disks, right? But I agree, Ys VI is ONLY playable with the original music. and on another notice, I didn't get a message back from Konami (bunch of lamers)
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Post by ParanoiaDragon on Dec 28, 2004 3:06:14 GMT -5
Hmm, is the latest PS2 DVD-R compatible, or has anyone tried yet?
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Post by CrazyJo82 on Dec 28, 2004 10:55:05 GMT -5
which modchip would you suggest? and is it easy to mod it yourself? I got thinking and $100 is not worth giving someone else to mod it.
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Post by LordDarm on Dec 28, 2004 22:11:07 GMT -5
I got swap magic just so I could play Ys eternal story and it works great!! No need for a mod chip!! I hear that swap magic doesnt work with the new PS2's though.
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Post by sideshow on Dec 29, 2004 4:09:36 GMT -5
Yes, it sucks that the original music is being changed for the console release but look on the bright side. This new console version will have enhanced new features not found in the original PC version. New characters, areas, weapons, etc. If everybody is whining about the music and graphics being changed for this new version then just get a copy of the japanese PC version. Nuff said!
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