Ys - confused about a couple of plot points

[Rogles]

Here's something that I never really gave much though to before, but now it's bugging me a little.

Was Darm always trapped on the planet (in the mines) or was he trapped inside the floating Ys? When I first played Ys Book I and II years ago, I always thought he and Dalles were on the floating Ys continent. I thought that Ys rose to protect the rest of the planet from Darm. But I guess it's really the other way around - they rose Ys to protect themselves from Darm who was trapped in the mines on the planet, right?

I used to think that there was just a short distance between the two sides of the wall teleporter thing that Dalles and Darm communicated through. But now I guess the one side was way up in Ys, in the belly of Solomon Shrine and the other was on the planet. But of course, once Ys landed back on the planet at the end of Ys II, the mines and the depths of Ys were connected again.

Also, what exactly caused Ys to lower back to the ground? It seemed like it started going back to earth after Maria was supposedly killed but that never made much sense. What was the whole purpose of killing the decendents of the priests? To free Darm? Or to lift their spell so Ys will lower back to earth? If Darm is trapped on Ys then it would make sense why he would want to get back down to the planet. If he always was stuck on the planet, why would he need Ys to be brought back down?

While I'm at it, I never understood the purpose of Dark Fact. Why did Darm need him? Someone mentioned in another topic that Dark Fact caused Darm's existence according to one of the Ys 4 games. And from what I've come to understand, Dark Fact wants to rule the world and so does Darm. Darm is trapped and really can't do much, but he has Dalles working on solving that problem. Meanwhile, I have no idea what Dark Fact is doing. Building up an army so he can take over the world? Did Dark Fact really want to free Darm? I guess it's all speculation.

Ah, so many different versions of Ys... so confusing. Ys Book I and II never really explained this stuff too well. I've played Ys Eternal but I've been waiting for Ys II Eternal to finish being translated before I play that one. Does Ys II Eternal explain this stuff at all? Does anyone know the answers to some of these questions? Is this stuff obvious? Am I crazy or am I just thinking about Ys too much... or both?

[ParanoiaDragon]

One quick thing before I head off to work, Darm is on Ys, not in the mines, I'm not quite sure what led you to believe that. Dark Fact(who had another name when he was human, but I forgot what it is) is 2nd in charge, & for some reason was able to stay on earth, but communicated with Darm. I'd have to read the translated cinemas again for Dawn of Ys, but there was something about Dark Fact stealing the Black Pearl from the Ancient Race which is where Eldeel & the goddesses come from but don't quote me exactly on that. I'll try to find that translation when I get back.

[Rogles]

Thanks.

Well, the reason I thought he might have been trapped in mine area on the planet is this:

Ya know right before you fight Darm, you're in that room with the two Godesses/Statues and Goban comes and gives you the harmonica. Well, that room seems to be connected to the room where you fight the third boss in Ys I (Vagullion, the bat guy) at the bottom of the mines. You'll notice a caved-in doorway there(in the Turbo version). In Ys Eternal, there's a door there that goes to the room with the Godess statues (but they are not glowing). It's the same room in Ys II. The door to Darm is right there, but you can't open it.

[LordDarm]

***********To all you who have NEVER played this game before, please DO NOT read this post until after you have played the game for the first time!!!!!********

ok ok ok ...this is how I took it!!..... Ys was a beautiful country that was controlled by two godesses and looked after by six priests .....one day the godesses decided to make a metal known as cleria to prosper the land of Ys by creating magic from it but at the same time they unknowingly created an equal and opposite power of evil from the same cleria material ...this material came from what is known as the black pearl from which Darm was born of....the evil began from the cleria so the godesses lifted the main part of the land of Ys (shrine, etc) into the skies to protect the country. Darm is located in the mines at the bottom where the godesses buried the cleria (also known as the black pearl) in Ys core.....Dark Fact is a descendent of one of the Priests and wanted to gain a power of evil for himself and control the land of Ys and keep the evil that began slowly overpowering the good. He made a tower to dwell in....or shall I say his "throne." Dalles was sent by Dark Fact to the floating land of Ys to try to overthrow it and gain control of that also until all would have complete control......in order for the people of Ys to remain in peace with evil they had to give sacrifices yearly and then it was required sooner.....and thats when Adol steps in and sets things straight.....he was destined to save Ys.

So....for a recap...... Dark Fact was in the tower which is obvious.......Dalles was residing in Solomons shrine on the floating land of Ys in charge of carrying out their plans and was communicating with Darm who is in Ys core in the mines(the core is reached directly from Dalles Room probably with the gold neclace directly to the mines). The floating land started to come down from the sky due to the fact that the Goddeses were overthrown by the evil power until Adol revives their memory from the harmonica....then with the power of good from the godesses and the cleria metal, Adol destroys the Black Pearl who is Darm incarnate...And they all live happily ever after!!! The End

I also had a little help from my anime DVD's

[FM-77AV]

The Cleria is not the black pearl. Cleria is silver, which was dangerous for Dark Fact (and Darm?). The people became greedy because of the silver, and bad things happened, so they buried it. According to the Master System version, lava bursted out of the ground, burning everything it its path. I do not understand why this happened.

That room in the mines MAY just be the same as in YsII. I did not think of this. But like a man says in the Master system version - "One day, when I was working in the mines, me and my comrades found a strange room in the mines. There were two goddess statues there. It seemed like we entered a different world or something".