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Post by Incog Neato on Sept 7, 2008 16:08:58 GMT -5
... everyone and their pets get in on something?
Seriously, in terms of Japanese stuff, any series in any sort of media seem to be okei when it's still in import status but once it gets localized, it seems like the idiots come out of the woodwork. I understand that it's primarily due to availability but still ... that would mean that this sort of proves that people are generally stupid and annoying.
This is actually something I wonder about Ys -- like, somehow, it majorly catches on for some reason once Ys 7 comes out, what will become of this board? Will we see an influx of dorks? (I mean, yeah, we're dorky already but I mean young, immature dorky-dorks.)
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Post by Nalacakes on Sept 7, 2008 18:06:53 GMT -5
(I mean, yeah, we're dorky already but I mean young, immature dorky-dorks.) Prepare for five hundred threads dedicated to Adol x Dogi slash fanfiction? ^_~ *shrugs* I don't really mind if people want to like the same things as me, even if they're a little bit silly or over-the-top about it. If I worried about what sort of people being, say, a fan of Final Fantasy VII grouped me with, I'd quite simply never get anything done. ^^; There's some frightening, frightening lads and ladies there... ;__; Instead, I just think of fans of the same things as me as regular old people, and accept that, while we might share a common interest, I'll inevitably get along with some of them and not with others. With that in mind, I don't really take any real issue with such influxes in fandom. I must admit that I do get something of a reluctant giggle out of 'SEPHY 4EVER MY 1 TRUE 1 WINGED ANGEL' type pages, though. ^^; As for something attracting more fans of the crazy-fanatical sort as it gets bigger, my guess would be because a lot of these people like to feel as if they belong to something? Without trying to sound too patronising (I was even worse in my early teenage years ^^; ), I think a lot of them are angsty teenagers (or older people of an angsty teenage mindset) who feel a bit out of sync with the world. And when you feel that way, I guess it's nice to have something that you feel you can fit into and be a part of? I think that being a fan of a certain thing lets people feel as if they have their own little niche in the world. And I think it's sort of logical that such people would choose the things which have the most fans. For many of them, it seems to be as much a matter of the communities surrounding a given thing as the thing itself, so... Something that's too obscure is sort of a no-no, I guess? Of course...you can't always pick the thing that has the most fans. Heaven forbid you like anything normal. You've got to find something that has enough fans that you feel that feeling of acceptance and belonging, but which is still unknown enough that you can satisfy your teenage craving for uniqueness and difference from your peers. So things with a rapidly-growing-but-not-yet-peak level of popularity tend to be ideal for people of that age and mindset, I think. Anyway, much more important than that is the fact that Inuyasha is a terrible show that American TV ruined. Naruto, though, now that's something. What, you haven't heard of Naruto? My! Then perhaps I can share these fansubs with you? They've only just aired in Japan, and not many people have seen them yet. What's that? You really liked Naruto? Meh... It was kind of good for about twenty episodes I guess. They sort of ruined it after that. Just now I'm really into Bleach. It's totally the best thing ever! At least until next month......dear me, it's tragically hillarious thinking back on my teenage years. ^^; |
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Post by Falcom Director of Fanservice on Sept 7, 2008 18:58:46 GMT -5
Fandoms ruin everything. =|
It's a visercal hate by association kind of thing. I still have a hard time giving FFVII a fair shake these days, because its fandom is so full of retards. So I try to avoid the fandom when something popular comes out that I think I may like until I can sample it. The trick, though, is to keep it from finding you. =|
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Post by Yakra on Sept 8, 2008 5:55:47 GMT -5
Somehow... I feel like Ys will never ever really grab such a huge dorky fandom? Or perhaps its just wishful thinking! :'D I mean, I think something drastically drastic will have to happen to Ys to grab the attantion of the... dorks? (A talking Adol with an angsty past..? A dying Dogi?)
That aside, gigantic fandoms do usually ruin the fun of everything. Sometimes its nice when you come across people who like the same thing while still retaining the wee-est bit of sanity, buuuut... Ofcourse, as Elin said, if one keeps avoiding the very thing which has generated the fandom, you miss out on the nice-ness of the thing yourself. So the best is, play the game and avoid the people! As much as one can! (Because, atleast with me, if I end up hearing the fangirlified account of something before I actually start playing it/watching it, I can never enjoy it properly.) And hope they don't come running to you!
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Post by Nalacakes on Sept 8, 2008 7:04:16 GMT -5
Those last couple paragraphs are so very, very true.  -Tom The fact that Bleach is totally the best thing ever? You mean you actually like it? Hah! I'll admit that it was good for five episodes or so, but after that it went downhill. Just now I'm watching The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya, and that's way better. In fact, it might be the best show I've ever seen! Or even the best ever made! ...okay, I'll stop. ^^; But yes, I always found this whole 'Search for the thing that is cool, but not too cool' mindset to be entirely silly. It's like the thing in question is this beautiful cruise ship that everyone on board loves until it reaches full capacity. And then suddenly people decide that they don't like it anymore, and start wanting off the ship. Or, in more extreme cases, actually start throwing themselves overboard screaming 'Worst cruise ship ever!'. I just don't get it. What exactly has changed about the ship? o__O Granted, some of the passengers that came on board might've been a little bit irksome, but the ship itself is the same. The lounge is just as expansive as when you first boarded, the decks shine just as brightly in the morning sun as ever, and the captain has that same crooked smile that you always found so charming. Everything you liked about the ship to begin with is still there, completely unchanged. And if the other passengers are so unruly that you can't bear them at all, you could just calmly get off the ship when the cruise is over and wait a few holiday seasons, until the worst of the crowds have died down? ^^; I see it as kind of ridiculous to let a few irritating passengers ruin your whole opinion of a holiday. There's no good reason to jump ship on what was such an enjoyable cruise. ...unless you happen to notice that the ship is called 'Titanic', of course. <_<; While I can sympathise with not quite being able to enjoy something as much as you might because of a rather irksome fanbase, I really do my best to avoid such attitudes. I think it's dangerous to equate the quality of your co-passengers on any given journey with the quality of the journey itself. To adjust your feelings about something based on the character of others who happen to like it. It's a slippery slope towards the attitude that something ceases to be good when it becomes popular. And once you fall into that sort of attitude, you're really no better than someone who follows all the popular trends. You just happen to do it in reverse. ^_~ Disclaimer: Haruhi Suzumiya is actually really nice, and I have no problem with it at all. I've not seen any of the other three shows I mentioned, and don't really have anything against them either. I just find patterns in the fandoms surrounding these 'bigger than God' shows sort of amusing. ^^; |
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Post by Yakra on Sept 8, 2008 8:40:37 GMT -5
Couldn't agree with you more, on everything you just said. The thing that really bothers me, though, even more than people liking or disliking something based on its level of popularity, is when people start to dislike something ENTIRELY BECAUSE of its fandom. To explain, an online friend of mine is obsessed with the Tales series... and when it first came out, she LOVED Tales of the Abyss. But now, she says she can't stand playing it, because the fandom has ruined it for her! Solely because fans of the game have gotten so obnoxious, she no longer enjoys the game! Actually, I think I can kind of understand your friend's point of view. Its not exactly a case of 'oh no! The object of my fandom has become so popular that its uncool!', rather if you get too involved in the fandom it ends up warping your view about the very thing you loved so much? ...I'm explaining things pretty badly here. As an example, basically when I first played Kingdom Hearts II I actually liked it. Really liked it. The music was nice. The gameplay was fun. True, it wasn't the best thing in the world, but it was fun and some of the characters were actually very likable. I didn't get actively involved in its fandom at all, but basically with time, after listening to the stories and jokes of so many fangirls and boys, all the slash pairings, it basically became annoying. And while a part of one knows that the actual game wasn't like that at all(!), after having heard so many different interpretations, one somehow cannot look at the same thing, the same characters, the same way ever again. One keeps seeing the fanboy/girl's versions. It sounds silly but that happens at times... :'D If I was to take Elin's example of the ship its charm gradually wears off and you start seeing the dents and sloppy paint jobs. (Ofcourse, I guess with me this has only happened with things that I never was extremely obsessed with to start off with. And so far... I don't think I've ever reached the point of actively disliking the thing either.) On the other hand, I find people who put down a fandom without ever even trying the game/anime/manga/movie/whatever just as obnoxious. |
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Post by Musa-Revived on Sept 8, 2008 9:11:13 GMT -5
The only fandoms I'd stomach are the Japanese ones. Otherwise known as doujinshi. I mean this bunch of freaks actually make money off them! If people are willing to buy them, I guess there's some substance to them.
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Post by Justin on Sept 8, 2008 15:46:16 GMT -5
I don't give a shit about what other people think, and disliking something because its got "fandom" is lame..... totally lame. Anime and video games are not about popularity contests, and I always get into stuff thats popular. I always avoid major boards, gamefaqs specified boards, lame fanboy conversations, and any other 'sub-culture' devoted to something. Thats why I like this board the most, because we all like everything, including Ys, but were mature enough to point out when something in an Ys game is wrong. Fandom is only annoying if you subject yourself to it, hence making it your problem, no one elses.
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Post by Incog Neato on Sept 8, 2008 17:54:06 GMT -5
I always avoid major boards, gamefaqs specified boards, lame fanboy conversations, and any other 'sub-culture' devoted to something. Actually, I tend to do this with a lot of import games -- the moment it's localized, I say bye-bye to all the boards and such that I've been posting or lurking at cuz I know what would be coming next. ^^; Oh yeah, and the Bleach manga was good until the most recent story arc. >:( Stupid typical shounen manga formula. |
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Post by Incog Neato on Sept 8, 2008 18:06:32 GMT -5
I keep bringing this up, but I feel it's relevant: you shouldn't jump ship on GameFAQs boards after a game's been localized, because sometimes, people who work for the company that localized the game lurk on those boards! Uh, it depends on the game. I mean, for stuff like Kingdom Hearts II and Crisis Core, I doubt I'd be getting any free stuff from Square Enix if I kept going on about how fun those games were. :P |
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Post by Musa-Revived on Sept 8, 2008 19:31:52 GMT -5
Ok I was wrong. The Japanese are a lot crazier when it comes to fandom. Doing doujinshi is just one meager portion. Their boards get full of shit since day 1. I can never understand 2ch. They rant from everything under the sun that's remotely in connection to whatever they're talking about.
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Post by MonoTekETeA on Sept 8, 2008 20:28:26 GMT -5
Fandoms are a bummer. Information about the item starts flowing tremendously. Example being Kingdom Hearts.
I know the whole story line and all the character's names due to people running around gushing over this game. Friends have told me to play it and what not "It is a good game, you should try it." But I can't pull myself to a game that I already know what has happened though most of it. It is like having some one tell you the first 200 pages of a book and you picking up on page 201...you just don't feel right or a want to do so, you'd just rather start another book. A book that hasn't been ruined for you via contents and story, this example in video game terms, a non localized/hush hush game.
My view.
Big choice wyrd, sure you made the correct one at the time.
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Post by Musa-Revived on Sept 8, 2008 20:44:05 GMT -5
Don't know much about gaming boards. But I guess it's kinda similar to anime boards. Especially whenever a new episode gets aired, and all the shit starts coming in. People who know Japanese start to talk about the episode in detail, some giving just hints while others just detail the whole damn script of the episode. And those who rely on subtitles will be tearing their heads when they get exposed to the spoilers. Then it just totally spoils the mood for watching the episode.
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Post by Incog Neato on Sept 9, 2008 11:09:20 GMT -5
I can never understand 2ch. They rant from everything under the sun that's remotely in connection to whatever they're talking about. It's the power of anonymity! Be as obnoxious as you like! It's certainly like that on 4-chan. 9__9 |
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Post by Justin on Sept 10, 2008 0:17:53 GMT -5
Plus, Falcom apparently has a "you guys figure it out" attitude when licensing their products for third-party localization. Some companies, for example, will provide the tools needed to decompile a game, dump its text, and then recompile it with the modified text... but Falcom just pretty much gives third party companies a copy of the game, and that's it. Everything else is up to them. -Tom Lame.... I wish they would change their attitude, because we would all benefit from localized titles. Damn sometimes I wish Working Designs was still around, because I would email Vic Ireland about half of Falcoms catalog. |
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Post by Justin on Sept 10, 2008 15:21:36 GMT -5
Yeah they were not perfect, but I would rather have a shitty port of a game, then never get the game at all. They really pushed to have some great titles released here, and I wont ignore what they did for gaming in general. Plus, they did a much better job than the hack job Bandai pulled with Legend of Heroes, right?
People still liked their games, and put money into the company, thus enabling more ports. Do you think after what Bandai did, any casual gamer would buy another translated port from them?
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Post by clement on Sept 10, 2008 20:25:48 GMT -5
Heh, oh boy. When I saw Kingdom Hearts mentioned here I immediately thought of some of those ORIGINAL KEYBLADES being drawn, the RikuxSora yaoi, the fanfiction...I don't purposely find this stuff, I just stumble into it while browsing some forums. It doesn't bother me so much, I actually get a good laugh out of a few of them.
The only fandom thing that would bother me is the cosplays. Ok, some are pretty good and convincing but most are just BAD. No one wants to see a 40 year old man cosplaying as a 16 year old girl. Seriously.
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Post by Justin on Sept 11, 2008 1:15:23 GMT -5
Ehh, I dunno, I'm not as bothered by cosplay as some people seem to be. I've seen the big fat guy cosplaying Sailor Moon before, and honestly, my only thought was, good for him! -Tom I would have laughed my ass off big time.  |
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Post by Incog Neato on Jun 18, 2010 1:17:14 GMT -5
So now that Ys SEVEN is coming out, do you think we'll get the influx of those fans we so fear? XD
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Post by HJ on Jun 18, 2010 9:49:57 GMT -5
If I was ever gonna cosplay as an Ys character it would be Ernst or Chester. Ernst because he just looks ultra ballin', and Chester because... he's a pretty cool guy with cool themes and I could actually pull his hair off realistically. But then, I don't cosplay. As for stupid fans, I hope we don't get too many of them on this board, but people who make fools of themselves constantly will probably tire of it and leave shortly after arriving, anyway. If the games gain a big enough following, we might become troll-prey, too. I mean, the popular the thing you're a fan of is, the more likely you are to get trolled about it. Not that I care about trolls, I'm still a semi-troll myself on some occasions. >_> |
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