Ys: OiF English translation supplemental patch Feb 8, 2009 19:32:39 GMT -5
Post by undamned on Feb 8, 2009 19:32:39 GMT -5
I have to say that even if I don't agree with some of you folks on the whole piracy bit, you have earned early respect with me for answering intelligently and cool-headed-ly on pretty much everything that has come up. I admit, I do poke and prod a bit too much in these sort of discussions, so I apologize for being atagonistic when I should just debate the topic vs striving against it's participants.
I needed a few days to catch up on some things so I apologize for not responding to some points ya'all brought up.
Sorry for neglecting to comment on this.
Wonderfully stated, and I agree 100%! Unfortunately you and I don't live in a perfect world with perfect laws. What I am addressing is that alot of people are making up their own "personal laws" because they don't agree with actual laws. "I don't agree with [insert law] because [insert logic] so I'm just going to [insert whatever I want to do]."
I am not saying that I don't understand the "why's" that people give for piracy. The fact is that none of us here are law makers. We are either law abiders or law breakers. Our actions define which we are, not the rational behind doing what we do. One can logically justify some terrible things, so just because what one is saying makes sense, does not make it "right" from a moral standpoint, let alone a legal one.
"spent some time"?How long is that?
That could either mean a week, a month.
In other words, even if it was one month long, you spent no time to say anything at all about how it is to live under bad situations.
It was about a week. Most everything is dirty. Even though they live "on the water" you can't drink sea water so they had to depend on finding someone w/ a truck to go to another city and get drinking water. Everyone had containers outside their homes that they'd go to get water from.
Everything had a purpose. In America people have closets and garages full of stuff they don't use. There you use everything you have and that is why you own it (and there are probably things you have to borrow from a neighbor because you don't own them). Most of the houses were unpainted and of questionable construction. I would sum it up as "streamlined living." We have so much access here in America. Things we don't use, things we throw away because we are too lazy to fix them, or because we want something better. There you use what you have and you better make it last because it may be a while before you can get another one, if ever.
Compared to a "favela", any fishing town is plain luxury.
"Favelas" are pure chaos.
The most world-famous favelas are all located in Rio de Janeiro city, where many people get shot and are murdered every night. Innocent people who live there live in fear of getting shot by a lost bullet. They know everyday may be their last day. there are actually even people that can't live EVEN in a favela, but stay nearby, and are blessed if they find anything in the trash can that their stomachs can endure after eating, if they don't die from disease first.
As much as that is truly sad, what relevance do areas that are that bad off have to do with this conversation? Do you think if they are starving to death or fearing for their lives that they are also pursuing something as luxurious as video games?
Well, that's all good, but I wonder what that has to do with what we are talking about.
What restrained you from purchasing/receiving games is absolutely different from what we have discussed so far. Your parents decided not to buy you things. Do I need to point out more?? >____> In other words, that's totally unrelated to what we are speaking of.
I spoke of my childhood experience and, earlier in this discussion, about my college experience because both were personal exposure to living with extreme limitations on videogames (like both justinzero and ranzor mentioned about poorer communities being stuck with older consoles). Your limitation may be money (which mine was in college), whereas my limitation as a child was my parents, but at the end of the day, both you, others, and I have experienced seriously limited access to video games.
My point is that we share common ground to speak on such an issue together, vs someone who has never lived through such limitations and is speaking based on theory alone, having no experience to back it up.
Well, that's certainly more commendable than having no intention of buying
Because I wanted use one of the two facts in his statement:
1.) People buy PS2's in Brazil
2.) He knows none who buy official games
The first fact was what I wanted to use to make the point that if people can buy a PS2 (even if it takes 1-2 years to pay off), they can buy games (yes, even if it takes months of saving) legitimately, therefore busting justinzero's myth that people over there are so poor there's no way they could even possibly buy a game legitimately. I did not distort ranzors words. People do buy PS2's in Brazil. Period.
It's perfectly fine to install your Ys game on your nephew and niece's computer as long as you have uninstalled it from your computer (or whichever computer it's already installed on). Get on over there and show those kids some love!