Uh, I kind of agree with schlagwerk. Your entire reasoning for hating new FF is because of how how you revere the older titles. You used them as a reference for all of your points . You really come off as a fanboy for the old stuff dude.
Well, the battle system got stale by the end because it is very automated, despite not being faster than old-fashioned manual battles at all. Slower, if anything, which is kind of sad. I didn't hate the battle system though, I actually enjoyed it against certain bosses too, but meh. It better not get even more automated in the next FF game, though, then I'd have to jump ship.
I'm more worried about the storytelling. I didn't like what XIII or XII had to offer me in that regard, and I really can't accept having a story I dislike in a FF game, since they're so cutscene-heavy.
Actually, my entire reasoning for hating new FF games is because I hate the art, find the gameplay un-fun, consider the pacing poor, the linearity obnoxious (in FF13's case), the music meh, and the lack of control over my party inexcusable (in the case of FF12 played with gambits, and FF13 in general). The fact that it's so different from the old games is just one final kick in the butt on top of an already thorough pounding. (:
If you read my arguments, I never once said that THE REASON I HATE THE GAMES is because they're so different from the old games... that's just the reason why I feel the new games shouldn't have been called Final Fantasy.
But ... every reason you're listing is showing how the modern ones ARE different in every way from the old! And the very fact that ye say that the new ones should be called "Final Fantasy"~~ I think you're confusing yourself since that's a definition of fanboyism of the old school FFs!
I guess there are varying types of fanboys though! Ones that like EVERYTHING FF and those that whine about the changes and want things to stay the way they are. :3
Anyway, I like change and that Square is trying different things! (Koei is doing it with their Warriors games too! Thank God!) Otherwise, we'll get Tales-like games and have 92385734 FFs pop out onto the market every year!
Speaking for myself, I agree with Wyrd's sentiments closely.
I'll never be caught dead playing XI, I might give XII another chance someday (Just so I can beat it, know the story, and enjoy the better game; Revenant Wings) as I will with Secret of Mana, but I'll definitely give XIII a good chance before I come up with any opinion one way or another.
Yeah, they both deal with modern Final Fantasy games, but there's no cause and effect there. One is not BECAUSE of the other - they're just two things that are true for me about modern Final Fantasy games.
... which goes back to the FF fanboy idea. XD
Y'see? It's a neverending loop! It's the circle of liiiiiiiiiiiiiife~!
It moves us all!
Through despair and hope!
Through faith and love!
Till we find our place on the path unwinding!
Anyway, I'm going to move on from all of this because there is no eye-to-eye in this. :B
Post by Incog Neato on Apr 16, 2010 1:10:44 GMT -5
Here's the flow of things as I see it:
You do not like modern FINAL FANTASY games which are not fun or appealing due to the game mechanics and presentation which leads to the next point.
| ^ v |
You keep saying that modern FINAL FANTASY games should have the FINAL FANTASY name attached to them due to the above.
You think you're looking at the newer games as separate entities unrelated to the series as a whole but YOU'RE NOT. If you were, then you wouldn't say that they should not have FINAL FANTASY in their titles.
If it had a Falcom stamp on the box, we all know, and I'm including the vastness-ness of the internet here, that you would absolutely adore the game.
I'm hijacking this thread now.
No more "Waaaah I hate the game, here is 4000 words why".
Every FF topic is ruined with psychobabble, and it needs to end. I enjoy the new game, want to talk with other FANS here about the game, and that isn't happening.
Every post about it is met with "Well, you know, it sucks because of Nomura" - "Well, SE just lost touch with the planet, so you know, that opinion of yours is moot. Hope I don't put a downer on the game".
We get it. You hate the game. Enough already dude. It's killing our buzz.
In short... sorry Nunuu and Justin, but the basic premise behind your (frankly rather offensive) statement is flawed. And I'd prefer you not try to keep proving that I'm a fanboy, as it IS starting to really get annoying. You're attempting to belittle my opinions, and I don't appreciate it one bit.
So stop posting in here then. We're not going to agree with you. We like the game.
I see where Wyrd is coming from, and he's certainly not a Square fanboy (he might be stuck in the past as far as their games go, but that's different). That said, the notion that newer FF games shouldn't be called Final Fantasy is strange and nonsensical to me.
Btw, I didn't bother reading all your annoyingly large posts, but it seems to me like I'm a Sonic fanboy because I enjoyed the older games but don't like the new ones? I hope that's not the case, because that would be some terrible, terrible logic.
Post by ShinGundam on Jun 23, 2010 10:01:46 GMT -5
First look on FF Versus XIII
Nomura on Versus XIII: -The game's cloud effects use real physics calculations. - The second screen employs an open field concept, so you can travel anywhere except into mountains. - Nomura says about the game's world, "If you try to go all the way to the end, it's truly far." - Battles are seamless. The only loading in the game will occur when moving between very large areas. - Objects along the paths of roads can be destroyed. - The staff are highly motivated now. - There will still be improvements and more polish on the visuals made, the visuals in the screens are the game running at the moment. - You'll be able to use a car as promised. You can exit it and move on foot at any time as well. - Enemies will be visible on the field, and while some enemies are wandering around, others will suddenly appear and surprise you. (This clarifies what the random and visible comment meant, and it also confirms that game will be similar to FFXII in that sense.) - Nomura says they're planning for a big unveiling of Versus at some point, but he doesn't really give any deadline for it. - There will be some announcements at TGS of titles which have not been revealed at all yet.
Nomura on Agito XIII:
- The game is in the tuning phase of development. - There is a world map in the game, and you can ride chocobos on it and fly an airship around as well.