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Post by Yakra on Dec 16, 2008 12:58:03 GMT -5
Er... meh... I'm quite bad at starting a new topic, especially for asking about stuff.  Anyways, I figured since most of you guys here can play some sort of instruments or the other, you probably can read music sheets right? And so perhaps you might be able to help me make some sense of this? So I was listening to Dragon Quest Symphonic Suite (Volume 1) and randomly flipping through the booklet when an idea struck me. The music sheets looked so pretty! Ofcourse they also looked like gibberish. But out of them all, Into the Legend's looked the longest, the most complete. And basically I was wondering, if there's anyone who can read this and has heard this track too - is this the full complete thing? [1] [2] [3][Its the last track - 15, if that helps]But besides that, more importantly, question 2! These gigantic massive blocks of notes:  Are they just one particular piece (or whatever its called), one particular tune which is just one huge block-line or is it a compilation of four lines of these?  Ehem... did that question make any sense at all?  Basically, is it one big fat musical line or four lines in a paragraph-like thing? (Yes, I'm very, very ignorant about this and I'm probably calling everything wrong and offending all music readers. I'm sorry. D': ) |
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Post by Nalacakes on Dec 16, 2008 14:31:52 GMT -5
I dug out an MP3 of it, and it seems to my eye to run to the end of the piece, yes. I've never really played much Dragon Quest, but it's a lovely piece and a wonderful arrangement. ^_^ I sort of want to now. Thank you.
As for your other question, I'm afraid I'm really only familiar with solo piano sheet music, and I'm not entirely sure how music for an orchestra is typically set out. So take whatever I say with a pinch of salt. That being said, just from looking at what's being played, it seems like each stave in the block of five there refers to a different piece of the orchestra. So yes, each of those five is a separate part, but they're being played simultaneously by different instruments. You follow your own stave, and when you reach the end of the line, you jump down to your part within the next block of five.
Outside of just listening to the piece, though, I couldn't tell you what's supposed to be playing what. ^_^ Again, I've never really looked at sheet music arranged for multiple instruments. Sorry. The top stave seems more often that not to handle the main melody, but there's a part where the one below takes over. Nyeh, I'm sure I'm missing something really obvious that makes it clear as to what is supposed to play what, though, as I'm kind of lame when it comes to sheet music. ^_^
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Post by Yakra on Dec 16, 2008 15:30:40 GMT -5
Thank you! That helped loads, even if you can't tell which instrument is what. Infact, that doesn't matter at all, considering how without you telling me all this, I couldn't even tell it detailed notes out for different instruments! (I thought it was all piano :'D) Not that I would be able to play something this complicated on any instrument! X'D I'm glad I summoned up enough courage to ask this. This actually makes a lot of sense now.  (Thank you! Thank you!) By the way, I haven't played any of the earlier Dragon Quests/Warriors either. :'D I keep meaning to, but can never find the time. But the music is so lovely I ended up grabbing everything and listening to it beforehand! (and was certainly not going to let this one particular cd get away when I got the chance to buy.  ) |
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Post by Justin on Dec 16, 2008 17:23:43 GMT -5
Are you ever planning on playing this stuff seriously? If so I can help you find sites that teach how to read music. I play guitar, but can only read TAB which doesn't help you much.
Also, hurry up and play and early DQ game already!!!
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Post by Yakra on Dec 17, 2008 6:56:38 GMT -5
Meh no. I don't think I could play this at all! I just wanted to know what was going on with what because... I got a random idea to draw out a tiny story based on this. I would LOVE to be able to read music sheets though, so if there are any sites that could enlighten me about that, I'd love to know about them! If there was any instrument I could play though one day, it would be a guitar. :'D (Since I actually own one!) Are these guitar TABS very different from other music sheets? O___o And yes. I need to play the early Dragon Quests SOON! (They're cursed, I tell ye! Dragon Quest 4 has now been pushed to my third-to-play slot for handhelds. T___T) |
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Post by Justin on Dec 17, 2008 9:25:47 GMT -5
Oh yes very easy, and much simpler to write guitar music with too. It has five lines, and a number placed on each line. The number specifies which fret your finger should be on when you pluck the sting. That's it!!!
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Post by Skeletore has a boner on Dec 17, 2008 17:17:53 GMT -5
99% of musicians in the world(not an exaggeration) can't(and don't need to) read sheet music ;0
Just thought I'd throw that out there. It's kind of a dying skill.
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Post by Incog Neato on Dec 17, 2008 19:20:39 GMT -5
99% of musicians in the world(not an exaggeration) can't(and don't need to) read sheet music ;0 Just thought I'd throw that out there. It's kind of a dying skill. But do they need a conductor too? :O I always find it baffling how most people in the orchestra have their eyes on the sheet music while the guy is there flailing his arms around. |
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Post by Justin on Dec 17, 2008 21:20:21 GMT -5
He is just there to keep time, and if your a professional its not very important to have someone do that.
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Post by AllenSmithee on Dec 17, 2008 23:34:53 GMT -5
Yeah, I can read sheet music (play flute), but can't read TABS
Any help?
// This is for my guitar!
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Post by Justin on Dec 17, 2008 23:35:48 GMT -5
Woah what??? Man you are a total anomaly, as that is really unheard of. I tip my hat to you, and if you need help with TAB, I am happy to oblige.
F this, I'm giving a quick lesson now.
If you don't know the song in question, your lame, and you need to go here:
Ok so the song is:
Metallica: Nothing Else Matters of the Black album
Eb-------0-----|-------0-----|-------0-----|-------0---7-|
Bb-----0---0---|-----0---0---|-----0---0---|-----0---0---|
Gb---0-------0-|---0-------0-|---0-------0-|---0---------|
Db-------------|-------------|-------------|-------------|
Ab-------------|-------------|-------------|-------------|
Eb-0-----------|-0-----------|-0-----------|-0-----------|
Ok so if you lay your guitar down on the floor, the thick string should be closest to you. The tabs are layed out the same, so when it says "0" you just pluck the string on the zero fret, or open (don't use a finger). This part listed pertains to the first 7 seconds of the song, and its SUPER EASY. the seven listed at the end is for the thinnest string, and if you count the spaces from the Headstock down, when you land on seven, that's the string to hit. Its that simple.
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Post by Ascended Mermaid on Dec 17, 2008 23:39:27 GMT -5
I can read sheet music aswell (keyboard) but I am slow. |
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Post by AllenSmithee on Dec 17, 2008 23:40:31 GMT -5
Woah what??? Man you are a total anomaly, as that is really unheard of. I tip my hat to you, and if you need help with TAB, I am happy to oblige. Then I'd say Help Away For today I'm gonna pick up and play Vampire Killer, or Frogs Theme? Hey! So many choices I can't stay away! |
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Post by AllenSmithee on Dec 17, 2008 23:52:07 GMT -5
Well I'll be diddled! It really is that easy!
Spanks J-man!
// I'm practicing Eyes on Me (FF8).
Go on MSN if you wanna be UP TO DATE!
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Post by AllenSmithee on Dec 18, 2008 1:20:22 GMT -5
e----|---5-3-0|-----------0--|----------0-7b8-7|
B-1-0|--------|-1-3-3-1-3----|------1-3--------|
G----|-2------|-------------2|-2---------------|
D----|--------|--------------|-----------------|
A----|--------|--------------|-----------------|
E----|--------|--------------|-----------------|
7b8?
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Post by Yakra on Dec 18, 2008 7:29:05 GMT -5
Hey....... now that you've explained it, those TABs actually look halfway easy! :'D Almost somewhat... understandable! I think I'm going to pull out my guitar too and attempt to try poking around with this on that! (If its still in tune... :'D [Where did I keep the pick...? D:]) 99% of musicians in the world(not an exaggeration) can't(and don't need to) read sheet music ;0 Just thought I'd throw that out there. It's kind of a dying skill. A bit unrelated, but did you know eastern music doesn't have music sheets. Ah... by that I don't mean the chinese/japanese stuff (since I really have no clue about those!) but with the proper classical tabla, sitar, harmonium, etc. music there are no sheets ever. Everyone is taught by ear. (Perhaps its because every gharana (or 'house') likes to keep its secrets within its confines and only teaches the certain techniques to its own disciples. Each house has its own particular sound. Maybe also because the music itself is just too complicated to simplify it down on paper.). |
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Post by Justin on Dec 18, 2008 9:50:54 GMT -5
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Post by Nalacakes on Dec 18, 2008 11:57:00 GMT -5
The bad thing about guitar tablature is that it doesn't have any way of representing a note's value, nor the time signature of a piece. All it gives you is which notes to play. So there's no real way of knowing exactly how a piece is supposed to sound without hearing it first. You'll know the notes to play, but not the way to play them. Not that it matters if you're learning a song that you know well, of course. ^_^ But you can't sit down and play a piece you've never heard before like you can with sheet music. And you can have trouble if the tab is for a different arrangement of the song than the one you're used to. It is much easier, though, and is a nice gateway into written music if you find sheet music daunting. I always thought the difficulty of learning to read sheet music was sort of exaggerated, though. It's like the kana syllabaries in Japanese or the Russian alphabet, in that people look at it, see that it looks alien, and assume it's impossible. You can easily learn everything you need to know in an hour. Getting fast enough at reading to be able to read and play simultaneously is another matter. ^_^ But even that's not difficult so much as it is something that naturally comes with practice. Thank you! That helped loads, even if you can't tell which instrument is what. Infact, that doesn't matter at all, considering how without you telling me all this, I couldn't even tell it detailed notes out for different instruments! (I thought it was all piano :'D) Not that I would be able to play something this complicated on any instrument! X'D I'm glad I summoned up enough courage to ask this. This actually makes a lot of sense now. (Thank you! Thank you!) Umm...well I guess there's really nothing stopping you from playing it on piano if you wanted to? You might need a few extra limbs and some nimble fingers, though. ^_^ Taking the music to a piece written with one instrument in mind and trying to play it on another without any sort of rearrangement can be a teensy bit sticky. Especially if you're trying to play a whole orchestra's worth of parts. ^_~ You're welcome, though. ^_^ Sorry I couldn't give you a better answer. I'm really just standing in until someone more knowledgeable comes along. I mostly taught myself to play the piano, and only really studied theory when I needed help learning something by ear. |
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Post by AllenSmithee on Dec 18, 2008 12:58:22 GMT -5
Any recommended easy VG music? I'm really liking this TAB thing!
Or metal and stuff. With an MP3 link if you can, in case I've never heard it before.
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Post by Skeletore has a boner on Dec 18, 2008 15:23:59 GMT -5
Actually i'm very aware of that ;0 It's why I know people who use sheet music are the vast minority of musicians in the world, it's not even common among musicians in western society and virtually unknown in the rest of the world.
Though I don't think it has much to do with secrets... "Learning by ear" is just the best method of learning.
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Anyways, I figured since most of you guys here can play some sort of instruments or the other, you probably can read music sheets right? And so perhaps you might be able to help me make some sense of this?
Basically, is it one big fat musical line or four lines in a paragraph-like thing? (Yes, I'm very, very ignorant about this and I'm probably calling everything wrong and offending all music readers. I'm sorry. D': )
(Thank you! Thank you!)
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