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Post by Incog Neato on Aug 21, 2010 7:29:19 GMT -5
Maybe someone played a joke on her and swapped out the soundtrack for something shitty? Or it may be that she didn't even finish the game. :P OR she only recalls the tunes she didn't like!
Anyway, man, she hates on the music more than me! Even I don't even make that complaint about it! (My issue is that I don't find some of the composition memorable.)
But ... did no one notice the "YEEZ" bit? ^^ And Ys I and II did well on the DS? Really?
AND WHY THE HELL DO PEOPLE DOCK POINTS FOR LACK OF VOICE ACTING!? That and "GEE, I WISH THERE WERE PRE-RENDERED CUTSCENES. Oh, the graphics could have been better".
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Post by sushi on Aug 21, 2010 9:54:13 GMT -5
Reminds me of a video review on IGN for Ys VI, where the woman said the game "...isn't really something you'd buy a soundtrack of..." FFFUUUUUU
*presses the imaginary Like button on Fai's post*
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Post by Gamemusicfreak on Aug 21, 2010 10:05:43 GMT -5
Thanks for posting your thoughts, everyone. I'm definitely NOT going to read this review now.
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Post by tancients on Aug 21, 2010 12:05:06 GMT -5
Just the domain name cheatcc tells me it's a real winner. :/
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Post by bishopcruz on Aug 21, 2010 12:41:05 GMT -5
The wierd part is that is that the rest of the review is not great, but understandable, she doesn't get it... but hey a lot of people don't. And she even goes on to say that even though the gameplay is "simplistic" its still a lot of fun. I swear it seems that unless you are on XBLA, PSN for PS3, or Wii (published by Nintendo) you can't decide to go old school without getting shat on.
But I expected that. It's the music and sound at 1.5 out of 5 that still blows my mind. I mean how bad would the sound in a game have to BE to get a 1.5? That would be a 3.0 out of 10. That's beyond bad that's simply abysmal.
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Post by sushi on Aug 21, 2010 12:46:57 GMT -5
That's beyond bad that's simply abysmal. All right! Good going! /endJoeymoment
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Post by ParanoiaDragon on Aug 21, 2010 13:04:56 GMT -5
As for the simplistic battle system, I've heard a few people say that...& that boggles my mind as well. It's not like I'm stuck in the stone age, or anything, I play current games of the day, & by no means do I consider Ys Seven's battle system simplistic. But yeah, the music, well, the reviewer teh fail.
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Post by Este on Aug 21, 2010 14:22:44 GMT -5
The IGN review confused me. The guy went on and on about how the fighting system was fast and fun and how it was so refreshing to see a JRPG that requires reflexes when the norm uses turn based fighting. But then they gave it an 8 in gameplay, 8 in sound, and an 8 overall. I get that the score is nothing to sneeze at, but I honestly expected a 9-point-something, even if the story is nothing groundbreaking.
I mean, Logan's Shadow (the second game, can't remember the name) for the PSP got close to a perfect score and while it did have really good graphics and was a well designed shooter, the story in that game isn't superb either. It smells kind of biased... or maybe I'm the biased one (probably both though).
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Post by superlocke on Aug 21, 2010 14:38:02 GMT -5
to be fair, we are all kind of biased here. But really, with us at least we have reasoning behind our points when we make them.
I mean, docking Ys Seven for its graphics when they're actually pretty good compared to other titles on the platform (sorry it's no MGS peace walker... but that should be the exception, not the expectation) and someone mentioned how the graphics have to be kept reasonable to keep the action fast and fun, which is the MAIN part of the game!
Personally I'm enjoying the story so far, but really when did it come down to every game needing a 60-page script epic to be good? Hell I'd say Ys Seven has a story deep enough to go toe-to-toe with say Gears of War, which had a sequel and got rave reviews.
And really, docking Ys points for music is just... retarded. I'm not even going to go into detail why. If anyone can find me a recent (last 5 years) mainstream game that scored over 9.0 that has a better and even more varied soundtrack, I will honestly be shocked.
But yeah, the fact that the review is from cheatcc already makes it not worth reading, their reviews are garbage. We can all pretty much agree that that review (and really any review from that site) is just a write-off.
I still say we should try getting Kotaku to give it the ol' once-over.
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Post by Incog Neato on Aug 21, 2010 18:42:33 GMT -5
Also, did the DS Ys games really do all that well? Aside from the music taste, I think we're dealing with someone that has a questionable definition of good games. :B
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Post by Razorclaw X on Aug 21, 2010 19:55:52 GMT -5
Oh well, at least he didn't rip the game a new one. I'm not sure why so many critics agree that the graphics "could use a little more work". The action wouldn't be as fast if they used high-poly models. Besides I thought graphics were really good myself. They don't need to use bleeding-edge high quality models, but the models they did have could use maybe 5x more polies than they're using now.
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Post by Mutagene on Aug 21, 2010 20:18:53 GMT -5
Well, the thing is, Oath has a fixed camera, whereas Seven's camera is very active. So sprites would look pretty ugly in motion.
Anyway, lol @ CCC review, etc. etc.
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Post by Varion on Aug 22, 2010 9:55:34 GMT -5
Total tangent, but - how much of the translation did you actually do wyrdy? I know you mentioned your predecessor doing a lot of it, but you said you at least got an edit pass over it. Was it too late in the localisation process to do much?
I'm trying to get my head around why some people on GAF are saying that the localisation is 'literal, lifeness, and generally not up to par'. Because that doesn't sound like the wyrdy I know, it sounds just about the opposite.
I haven't played it myself though.
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Post by Incog Neato on Aug 22, 2010 10:24:36 GMT -5
I really don't see what the issue is, honestly. It's not like it reads awkwardly or anything. :/ It's ... standard fare but I wouldn't say lifeless. I suppose they're comparing it to the high end translations -- whichever games those may be.
Dogi REALLY stands out though as in, I think out of all the everyone in the game, that man has THE most natural sounding dialogue. ^^ I think wyrd did an overhaul on him or something.
Aisha's not too bad either. (Wish her voice wasn't annoying though. :B)
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Post by winterfury on Aug 22, 2010 14:23:26 GMT -5
I'm playing it and I haven't noticed problems so far so it's fine for me. I'm probably not able to tell the difference between a standard translation and a high end one, 'cause my english is far to be perfect.
I prefer literal transations tough, I hate when they take too much liberties.
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Post by bishopcruz on Aug 22, 2010 14:29:30 GMT -5
Well, while I will say that Dogi's dialogue works well for the most part. I will say I felt that at certain points Aisha didn't come off as well. In particular there was a scene where she was talking to the King and and was going between polite and impolite, where it didn't quite seem to gel. I think part of the problem was that she never seemed to curse much or be as harsh before that, or again afterwards. Politeness levels are a general bitca to translate, but it really seemed forced in that scene especially. If I have to speak honestly I think that the localization for SEVEN was about a B, it read well, and certain characters showed some spark to them a few never quite came alive as they should. It at times felt overly dry and I do see times where attempts were made to liven up the dialogue, often with great success, but on the whole it seemed to lack a bit of the spark seen in the best translations. And while the NeoGAF comments were overly harsh I can understand where they are coming from. It's probably the best overall localization of a Falcom game I have seen thus far, especially when it comes to editing. It simply slaughters the LoH translations, its a bit better than the complete patches, and stronger than Atlus' Legacy stuff. OTOH it doesn't quite reach the level of Persona 4, Final Fantasy Tactics PSP, FFXII, MGS 1 (odd voice casting aside), or Phoenix Wright 1. Now I say this as a huge fan and I mean it solely as constructive criticism. I have a ton of respect for Wyrdward and I don't want to seem like I'm jumping back on the boards just to bitch, I vanish from these places for months or years at a time, it is my way. I just very much want this series to be the best it can be. I know Wyrd and the rest of the team at XSEED do as well. This post seems overlong as it is so I think I'll cut it off for now. As a first effort though, let me reiterate, great job, but there is room for improvement.
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Post by Rebel40000 on Aug 22, 2010 17:19:06 GMT -5
Again, this isn't to say Ys Seven looks bad. Just that I can understand people saying it has "mediocre" graphics... because honestly, it kinda does. But who really cares? It's fun, and that's all that matters! -Tom 'Cuz graphics apparently "make the game" nowadays. Yeah, there is a similar topic like that on GameFAQs. I will admit that in some instances it seems kinda... uninteresting. But I don't think it's bad.
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Post by knightofancient on Aug 22, 2010 18:08:12 GMT -5
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Post by Rebel40000 on Aug 22, 2010 18:12:41 GMT -5
Well, you gotta remember, too, the game's original dialogue wasn't exactly Shakespeare to begin with. -Tom I don't, so thanks for informing me.
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Post by Peytral on Aug 22, 2010 18:20:39 GMT -5
I didn't think the plot was that bad. It didn't have the most original plot concepts, but I think those concepts were handled in a way to make them really interesting. :U
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