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Post by PhantomOfTheKnight on Aug 25, 2010 13:34:58 GMT -5
Game Revolution gave it a B. The only real negative of the review was the one "scripted" loss in the game. (I know what he's talking about now).
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Post by Peytral on Aug 25, 2010 13:45:03 GMT -5
How is one scripted loss a bad thing?
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Post by PhantomOfTheKnight on Aug 25, 2010 13:59:18 GMT -5
How is one scripted loss a bad thing? He stated he didn't know he was supposed to lose to him, so he just kept restarting the boss over and over again (I'm assuming he either didn't see the full seen, or was just pissed.)
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Post by Peytral on Aug 25, 2010 14:14:05 GMT -5
lolnub
I liked that part. It felt like a battle I was supposed to win, despite the fact that he killed me in two hits, so I made sure to fight seriously. If they make it OVERLY obvious you're not supposed to win, then it's no fun -trying- to win.
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Post by HJ on Aug 25, 2010 14:26:34 GMT -5
When he blocks every attack and unleashes an AoE spell that instantly kills you, it should be pretty obvious you're not supposed to restart. Especially when the game, you know, keeps going.
By that point you're also swimming in money, so buying new items hardly matters at all.
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Post by schlagwerk on Aug 25, 2010 14:56:03 GMT -5
I figured it was a scripted loss. It seemed like a hard fight, but not impossible so I tried to see if I could beat him. Then he started doing those instant kills and I started dodging those
...then I realized I wasn't doing damage to him anymore. Oh
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Post by Este on Aug 25, 2010 16:32:29 GMT -5
How do you screw up a scripted loss in an Ys game. If you're supposed to win, they give you a retry menu.... which is way faster than resetting the game and loading your file. But since you're supposed to lose, it goes right into dialogue.
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Post by Leroy on Aug 25, 2010 17:12:28 GMT -5
I'll have an Ys Primer and a review for Ys SEVEN posted to the site I write for this week.
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Post by Incog Neato on Aug 25, 2010 19:26:19 GMT -5
How do you screw up a scripted loss in an Ys game. If you're supposed to win, they give you a retry menu.... which is way faster than resetting the game and loading your file. But since you're supposed to lose, it goes right into dialogue. Yeah, and given the fact that you get hit for way more damage than other bosses did at that point in the game. Well, at least on Normal. >_> I think the boss previous to this particular battle did < 100 HP of damage to any character and then this specific boss fight had damage dealt that was > 400 HP each. I guess it's not as obvious on Hard or Nightmare? 9__9
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Post by Peytral on Aug 25, 2010 19:30:40 GMT -5
How do you screw up a scripted loss in an Ys game. If you're supposed to win, they give you a retry menu.... which is way faster than resetting the game and loading your file. But since you're supposed to lose, it goes right into dialogue. Yeah, and given the fact that you get hit for way more damage than other bosses did at that point in the game. Well, at least on Normal. >_> I think the boss previous to this particular battle did < 100 HP of damage to any character and then this specific boss fight had damage dealt that was > 400 HP each. I guess it's not as obvious on Hard or Nightmare? 9__9 On Nightmare, he can kill you in one hit. >.>
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Post by Incog Neato on Aug 25, 2010 19:34:35 GMT -5
Well then, it should be DOUBLY OBVIOUS you can't win the fight! WTF?
I mean, this isn't the optional boss battle from Birth by Sleep here (where you can be playing on Easy and you'll STILL get instantly KO'd)~!!!!
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Post by Leroy on Aug 25, 2010 19:58:24 GMT -5
Early indications are that it'll probably score BETTER than Ys Seven, if reactions of gaming press are any indication... I'm telling you, at E3, it seemed like *everybody* was more into Felghana than Seven. -Tom Hopefully so, Felghana is a better game than SEVEN in every aspect except for graphics.
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Post by Este on Aug 25, 2010 20:44:04 GMT -5
Well then, it should be DOUBLY OBVIOUS you can't win the fight! WTF? I mean, this isn't the optional boss battle from Birth by Sleep here (where you can be playing on Easy and you'll STILL get instantly KO'd)~!!!! The way I feel is that you're going to lose boss fights in Ys... like, A LOT. I get acquainted with the retry menu early and see it often.
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Post by Incog Neato on Aug 25, 2010 20:53:38 GMT -5
The way I feel is that you're going to lose boss fights in Ys... like, A LOT. I get acquainted with the retry menu early and see it often. Not if you play on Normal~ ♪
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Post by Peytral on Aug 25, 2010 20:59:12 GMT -5
The way I feel is that you're going to lose boss fights in Ys... like, A LOT. I get acquainted with the retry menu early and see it often. Not if you play on Normal~ ♪ What are you talking about? The Kava Kela destroyed you, and then you were like "I'm going to grind to 5 levels higher than the boss so I can finally win" D:
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Post by Incog Neato on Aug 25, 2010 21:11:36 GMT -5
What are you talking about? The Kava Kela destroyed you, and then you were like "I'm going to grind to 5 levels higher than the boss so I can finally win" D: Yeah but I don't see the Game Over screen or need to retry/reload very often. And it's not like I grind for every single boss. That ... stupid turkey was an exception. Although, right now, I'm overpowered for the next boss. ^^;;; I love the battle system too much (plus I want mooooooooooooooore materials~!).
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Post by zaratus on Aug 25, 2010 22:03:26 GMT -5
Yeah, there should be a rating system that goes up to 11, so that games would get 10 ratings. The RPG Critic reviews on Working Designs web site when it was still around used to rate out of 11. =p I also agree that the whole 1-10 ratings, where most treat 7 as average stems from letter grades back in school. Where 7/10, or 70/100 was considered a C, average. Leaving 6 for below average, D, and anything less as a failing grade. I think it's kind of a subconscious thing after so many years of school. Though, by the time I had graduated, my school made anything below 65 an F, and the year after, eliminated the D grade entirely. =p As for Felghana... I honestly can't think of a single complaint about the game. Sure, it was tricky on normal, but I've seen replayed it on hard AND nightmare, and I can say that normal doesn't really pose a threat for me anymore. =p The game's not too short, not too long, though I wouldn't mind if it was a *little* big longer. Controls are fine, gameplay is excellent, I shouldn't even have to mention the music. With a few exceptions, graphics usually don't factor into things too much for me. Unless they're *truly* bad. I don't consider even NES games to have "bad" graphics. Most people who complain about "bad" graphics do not truly know what bad graphics are. And Felghana's graphics are FAR from bad. Everything is clear, you can tell what everything is, you typically don't get lost in the excitement of battle, and it runs smooth.
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Post by ParanoiaDragon on Aug 25, 2010 22:06:23 GMT -5
Early indications are that it'll probably score BETTER than Ys Seven, if reactions of gaming press are any indication... I'm telling you, at E3, it seemed like *everybody* was more into Felghana than Seven. -Tom Hopefully so, Felghana is a better game than SEVEN in every aspect except for graphics. That's where I can disagree, I think that Felghana's gfx blow away Seven's, & probably Chronicles blows away Felghana's, though, I haven't seen Felghana on PSP yet in person, but, I have Chronicles for PSP, & the gfx are beautiful. But, most people will probably end up saying, ewww, 2D gfx is the fail! But 2D doesn't to me mean the gfx aren't as good, it really depends on how the gfx look, whether poly's or sprites/tiles. It's about the prettiness of them in general to me.
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Post by Nalacakes on Aug 25, 2010 22:17:17 GMT -5
My long lost sister! XD Well, actually, I don't game over toooo much in Ys games. (I think I only game overed once or twice in Ys SEVEN so far -- once because I forgot I could access heal potions during a boss battle.) But still! When everyone plays on Nightmare or Inferno, I play on Normal and still get hit lots (which says something about ma lack o' skill)! :D Haha. XD To be fair, I didn't die that much in Seven either. At least compared to Felghana. :'D But that's not because I really played much better~! Just because I could abuse potions to compensate for my mistakes. And there were still bosses like that nasty pink bird thing in the Holy Land of Wind that killed me so many times even with healing items. I'm really not very good at action games. :'D Oh, and our grade system is 50-59 for a C, 60-69 for a B and 70+ for an A, which are split into an A3 at 70-79, an A2 at 80-89, and an A1 for 90 and up. So I'm used to it being relatively hard to get over seventy, and have never viewed a 5/10 as particularly bad (though it's not particularly good, either! I'd be disappointed if I got a C at this point in my academic career). It must be strange if you're used to the fail line being at seventy, though. Actually, I knew an American girl last year who was absolutely gutted when her first essay came back with a 63 on it. Poor thing. That's not that bad! ^^ I do agree that there's not much point in there being upper numbers if you don't actually use them, though. It's a problem that rears its head in the way lecturers grade essays here. If you study something like maths or a language, most of your answers will be out and out right or out and out wrong. There's little inbetween. So it's very easy to score in the 80s and 90s if you're good at your subject and know most of the answers. With essays, though, it's extremely rare for a student to score above the high seventies, and all but impossible in your first few years of study. That also means that the gap between a B and an A is extremely small in an essay, and that it's easy on a bad day to drop a few marks and slip down into the next grade band when you're so much better than that. I'm a languages major, so it doesn't really affect me directly, but it always struck me as incredibly unfair that those studying essay-based subjects have to work so much harder than us for what are often lower grades.
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Post by AllenSmithee on Aug 25, 2010 22:54:35 GMT -5
My average is 62-70, so I guess I'm an average game.
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