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Post by Ashurei on Sept 25, 2010 21:55:11 GMT -5
Thank god you're here to be the voice of the masses. I didn't even know I had higher expectations. Please, continue to be our guiding light, Oh Magnanimous One, lest we continue to purchase games so heinously undeserving of our money.
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Post by megalink101 on Sept 25, 2010 21:57:24 GMT -5
How about quoting what somebody really says instead of inserting your own words? ...I don't appreciate that. Hey, excuse me for talking about a game that released in like 2004, was it? I would have thought that the Falcom Community would have already played this game already if it is like 6 years old. Nobody complains about people talking about spoilers in Ys and other games so I find it very selective here... How about making a list of all the games that are a "No-no" to talk about? That would help. Besides, I have seen plenty of other spoilers on these forums about the Sora no Kiseki games and nobody has raised an eyebrow about them... |
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Post by megalink101 on Sept 25, 2010 22:01:08 GMT -5
Thank god you're here to be the voice of the masses. I didn't even know I had higher expectations. Please, continue to be our guiding light, Oh Magnanimous One, lest we continue to purchase games so heinously undeserving of our money. Well, if you cannot think for yourself, reluctantly I will if you need to be led by the hand. Thanks for asking... |
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Post by Ashurei on Sept 25, 2010 22:01:09 GMT -5
Not everyone on this forum speaks Japanese, Glorious Leader. There is an impending US release. It's not - how did you put it? - "rocket science" to figure out why some people here, some english-speaking users on our forum, would be upset about that at all.
Also, I am rather fond of your re-edit of UM's quote from you. As if him quoting your spoilers wouldn't have defeated the purpose of deleting them in the first place.
You truly are brilliant.
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Post by megalink101 on Sept 25, 2010 22:08:09 GMT -5
Not everyone on this forum speaks Japanese, Glorious Leader. There is an impending US release. It's not - how did you put it? - "rocket science" to figure out why some people here, some english-speaking users on our forum, would be upset about that at all. Also, I am rather fond of your re-edit of UM's quote from you. As if him quoting your spoilers wouldn't have defeated the purpose of deleting them in the first place. You truly are brilliant. I think I will have to give you that crown, Mr. Brilliant. Obviously, when people are putting up translation stuff to be looked at by the Falcom Community for Xanadu Next, Ys, Zweii, or whatever fan translation they are working on, that could also be considered as a "spoiler" and it is amazing how nobody said anything... It feels kind of hypocritical. |
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Post by Peytral on Sept 25, 2010 22:10:17 GMT -5
I wish I could understand a word of what this guy is saying.
Actually, on second thought, I'm glad I can't. :U
I'm also glad that Unsavory saved a lot of us from having a game we're all looking forward to being spoiled.
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Post by megalink101 on Sept 25, 2010 22:16:39 GMT -5
I wish I could understand a word of what this guy is saying. Actually, on second thought, I'm glad I can't. :U I'm also glad that Unsavory saved a lot of us from having a game we're all looking forward to being spoiled. You cannot understand "a word" that has been posted here? Wow! How can you even write then because you are using the same words? |
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Post by Ascended Mermaid on Sept 25, 2010 22:17:44 GMT -5
I'm glad I could be of help, HJ. Sorry I wasn't quick enough, MP83.
wyrd, you've played through it, right? Would you read the in-between parts and fix the tags for me? Between the first and last part of the spoiler, I've ignored the rest of his post. I'm not sure, but I've probably tagged a lot more than was entirely necessary, due to the nature of the post.
megalink101: Watch your tongue! I was going to cut you a break, and let you know that I would've done the same thing if it were anyone else; including other moderators! Don't think I'm giving you special treatment! Now you're whining because the big bad moderator edited your post.
As for how "selective" it can be, excuse me for not spending every second of every day here moderating posts that could spoil everything for the rest of us! I WAS glad that you had appeared to changed your tone recently... but don't get me wrong, I've warned you to play nice a few times now -- and I'm NOT going to warn you again!
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Post by HJ on Sept 25, 2010 22:28:18 GMT -5
...I don't appreciate that. Hey, excuse me for talking about a game that released in like 2004, was it? I would have thought that the Falcom Community would have already played this game already if it is like 6 years old. Nobody complains about people talking about spoilers in Ys and other games so I find it very selective here... How about making a list of all the games that are a "No-no" to talk about? That would help. Besides, I have seen plenty of other spoilers on these forums about the Sora no Kiseki games and nobody has raised an eyebrow about them... The game may have been out in Japan since 2004, but it's not out in America at all yet, and the vast majority here is American, or doesn't speak Japanese at least. The notion that everyone has played the game simply by virtue of being Falcom fans is quite ridiculous, but surely you must realize this yourself. Why would anyone play an RPG that relies on its story as its selling point without being able to understand it? Additionally, because of this, comparing it to Ys is also completely pointless. Do you think spoiling the fact that Bowser kidnaps Peach in Super Mario Galaxy 2 is tantamount to spoiling the biggest plot twist in one of your mystery novels? I hope not. And please, stop thinking your opinion magically holds incredible amounts of importance. It makes you look astoundingly arrogant and silly. You're just another person, man. You might know Japanese, and you might work in the industry, but that doesn't change it. Unless I'm horribly mistaken, the people who work at Square Enix also work in the industry, but that didn't stop them from cranking out a travesty like FFXIII and thinking it was the best thing since sliced bread. It's nothing but an excuse to make your opinions seem like more than they are. One that you use far too often, at that. |
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Post by megalink101 on Sept 25, 2010 22:35:07 GMT -5
I'm glad I could be of help, HJ. Sorry I wasn't quick enough, MP83. wyrd, you've played through it, right? Would you read the in-between parts and fix the tags for me? Between the first and last part of the spoiler, I've ignored the rest of his post. I'm not sure, but I've probably tagged a lot more than was entirely necessary, due to the nature of the post. megalink101: Watch your tongue! I was going to cut you a break, and let you know that I would've done the same thing if it were anyone else; including other moderators! Don't think I'm giving you special treatment! Now you're whining because the big bad moderator edited your post. As for how "selective" it can be, excuse me for not spending every second of every day here moderating posts that could spoil everything for the rest of us! I WAS glad that you had appeared to changed your tone recently... but don't get me wrong, I've warned you to play nice a few times now -- and I'm NOT going to warn you again! Look, I do not appreciate the personal attacks by everyone. I have tried to be respectful, but when others are not, what does anyone expect? If this were RPGamer, everyone would be reprimanded...including the moderator for the "Blah blah blah" comment. How do I know? Because I have been reprimanded as well as everyone else for something like this before. People have to play fair. Besides, there is no way I could have known that Sora no Kiseki had not been played by so many people as it has been an extremely popular topic here for years and several things I have read here could be considered to be spoilers, too. It is just impossible to know which games people have and have not played. If I wrote too much, I am sorry, but if we never wrote anything about a game, because we were worried about saying anything that might be a spoiler, there would almost be no sense in talking about any game at all. I mean can we say "Mario saved the princess" when we talk about Super Mario Bros.? I mean you think that everyone who plays games would know that, but maybe not. I figured that most of the people who frequent this site, probably have a copy of Sora no Kiseki for their PCs considering how many people talk about ordering directly from Falcom... |
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Post by HJ on Sept 25, 2010 22:42:09 GMT -5
I'm not going to say anything else after this, but I will say that you were the one who set this tone, even before it spiraled out of control. You basically said people who fail to see FC's plot twist coming are fools, or at the very least quite imperceptive, which is rather demeaning as well.
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Post by megalink101 on Sept 25, 2010 22:52:33 GMT -5
Hey, excuse me for talking about a game that released in like 2004, was it? I would have thought that the Falcom Community would have already played this game already if it is like 6 years old. Nobody complains about people talking about spoilers in Ys and other games so I find it very selective here... How about making a list of all the games that are a "No-no" to talk about? That would help. Besides, I have seen plenty of other spoilers on these forums about the Sora no Kiseki games and nobody has raised an eyebrow about them... The game may have been out in Japan since 2004, but it's not out in America at all yet, and the vast majority here is American, or doesn't speak Japanese at least. The notion that everyone has played the game simply by virtue of being Falcom fans is quite ridiculous, but surely you must realize this yourself. Why would anyone play an RPG that relies on its story as its selling point without being able to understand it? Additionally, because of this, comparing it to Ys is also completely pointless. Do you think spoiling the fact that Bowser kidnaps Peach in Super Mario Galaxy 2 is tantamount to spoiling the biggest plot twist in one of your mystery novels? I hope not. And please, stop thinking your opinion magically holds incredible amounts of importance. It makes you look astoundingly arrogant and silly. You're just another person, man. You might know Japanese, and you might work in the industry, but that doesn't change it. Unless I'm horribly mistaken, the people who work at Square Enix also work in the industry, but that didn't stop them from cranking out a travesty like FFXIII and thinking it was the best thing since sliced bread. It's nothing but an excuse to make your opinions seem like more than they are. One that you use far too often, at that. Actually, if you really want to know about Final Fantasy XIII, I actually straight up told the people at Square-Enix in Japan that it was going to be a flop almost a year before the game released. That is what they get for not listening. I actually saw the battle system mechanics ahead of time and I told them stacking commands, etc. was a bad idea, but they did all that crap because they wanted to cater to the West. So, in fact, they should have listened to me, and maybe the game would not have been as terrible as it was. You can ask them about that one, here's their number: 03-5333-1555. Really, it is you who does not know what is going on in the industry. Both I and my colleagues jobs are to know what is going on. That is exactly how we make informed business decisions about what projects to take on. |
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Post by Ascended Mermaid on Sept 25, 2010 22:52:41 GMT -5
I told you before, it wasn't a personal attack. We also have spoiler tags in the headlines for a reason. Furthermore, it has been said numerous times that not all of us know Japanese, speak it, or read it. Therefore, not all of us know what's going on in the SnK games, because it isn't in a language that we can personally interpret it in -- XSEED is working on that right now! Anyway, I neither have to repeat what has been said to you, nor do I have to answer to you and your conceptually challenged logic. This isn't RPGamer, I'm not sure what their rules and regulations are, but I would be appalled if you have behaved there exactly as you have here, and are getting away with it. As was said, we're not an uptight bunch, we like to have fun here -- when we disagree, we simply agree to disagree. You, however, have been consistent in your attitude, and it shows, you're not making any friends here. Nobody likes you. You have been a disturbance since post one. I'm done playing games, I wish you well.
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Post by cxt217 on Sept 25, 2010 23:45:33 GMT -5
I cannot stand Chess...I agree with the sentiment that these games are "bored games" and not just board games. Funny thing, I used to be in a Chess Club a few years ago and I was really, really good. Now I really cannot stand the game. It is so unlike a real battle because we would never just sit around and play a war game of tit for tat. Personally, I do not think players are going to particularly love playing a slow battle system with music that sounds like it is jazzy elevator music, but what do I know? I do not care for playing RTS, FPS, or really any game that demands quick reaction speed. Many people do - I do not. I prefer turn-based gaming, both strategy or RPG, or at least a good facsimile thereof (Like Baldur's Gate, where the combat is suppose to be real-time but you can pause it to give order and inspect status screens. You can now get the game at GoG.com.). For me, slower pace games allow me more time to think about what I am going to do, and less acting based on having to get a button pressed before the clock runs out (Which will never work for me because my reaction speed is shot.) I acknowledge my play of style means a lot of people are not going to be gaming with me. To each their own. But judging by the popularity of older, turn-based system titles that have been re-released via the magic of digital download, it looks like there a lot of people who like turn-based games too. And yes, Chess may be boring for some (Including me.) but it is a very popular game - in no small part because the pace DOES allow the players to plan ahead. As a person who has played old style turn-based RPGs (Remember the Gold Box series when SSI had the AD&D license?), strategy (Alpha Centauri, the first couple Civilizations, Imperialism, Warlords.) and true wargames (From board games like Third Reich, War in Flames, and Federation and Empire - to computer versions like Pacific War and War in Russia.) from the old days, the slower pace may actually be a selling point. And for that matter, a true wargame like a command post exercise (AKA wargames for professionals.) is not as slow as chess but it is not a game of Starcraft either, at least not at the higher levels. C.T. |
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Post by Lok on Sept 25, 2010 23:50:58 GMT -5
Actually, if you really want to know about Final Fantasy XIII, I actually straight up told the people at Square-Enix in Japan that it was going to be a flop almost a year before the game released. That is what they get for not listening. I actually saw the battle system mechanics ahead of time and I told them stacking commands, etc. was a bad idea, but they did all that crap because they wanted to cater to the West. So, in fact, they should have listened to me, and maybe the game would not have been as terrible as it was. You can ask them about that one, here's their number: 03-5333-1555. Really, it is you who does not know what is going on in the industry. Both I and my colleagues jobs are to know what is going on. That is exactly how we make informed business decisions about what projects to take on. FFXIII didn't flop (it sold decently well) but it wasn't liked not because of the battle mechanics but the plot and linear nature of it. Aside from that, the comparison with SnK (am I the only one that thinks of the fighting game company :x) to Ys isn't really viable considering it has been released multiple times in English. On topic, based on the trailers I've seen, the OST looks mighty delicious. Might purchase it though I'd want to listen to more of it. Ys Seven's soundtrack didn't really captivate me as much I'd like. |
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Post by Ascended Mermaid on Sept 26, 2010 0:14:27 GMT -5
Ahhh~ peace at last!!  Just so everyone knows, the issue has been resolved!  So anyway~ how about that Zero no Kiseki?! That does sound like a lot of fun! I love the EarthBound-y touch they're giving its battle system; where you insta-kill weaker enemies, and how you approach them determines your position in battle! Even if that's the only thing that really changes in terms of gameplay, I really like it!  I'm also looking forward to Sora no Kiseki FC and can't wait to see what XSEED does with it! Granted... I honestly can't see the real difference between the battle system of SnK FC, and LoH:SotO PSP. That's not a bad thing in my eyes either, that battle system is actually pretty decent, in my opinion! I wonder if the boss battles are going to be as cool as the final battle in LoH:AToV was -- that was perhaps one of my favorite parts in the game, plot twists and all aside. Oh, and Michael de Lap Haven! Awesome character, in my book! Does anything from the Gagharv trilogy carry over to the SnK trilogy, in terms of story or cast? |
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Post by Ascended Mermaid on Sept 26, 2010 1:11:38 GMT -5
Ah, so as opposed to SotO/etc. where you have to pick Defend to move your characters (lot of good that does; it was only ever useful in Lunar against the sewer monster), you move them inbetween turns? As for the turn bonuses, all I can think of is Final Fantasy X. Granted it's not the same, but sometimes buffs alter the amount of turns (not just hyper status, but certain moves and buffs give an extra turn). Also, that's awesome! It's like a new and improved Limit Break! I see where this is going! I didn't really get to try out FC too much aside from a demo back when, so I had no idea the battle system was that much of an improvement! Thanks! |
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Post by cxt217 on Sept 26, 2010 1:35:09 GMT -5
The big differences between SotO PSP and SnK FC, battle system-wise, are the ability to physically move your characters (instead of just picking targets), and a Xenosaga Episode I-like "turn bonus" system, where you actually get to see the turn order list, boost yourself into it at certain points, and try to finagle things so that your turn is the one with, say, the attack bonus, or slight HP recovery, etc. Given that Xenosaga is my favorite video game series, that sounds very nice. That sounds a lot like Radiata Stories, which is one of (very few) real time battle RPGs I like and actual favor. Hmmm. I am even more excited. Re: ZnK OST, I am waiting to actually hear the opening song with lyrics, by itself. C.T. |
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Post by knightofancient on Sept 26, 2010 2:57:17 GMT -5
Way of Life, the op theme, is actually on the 2010 jdk band album.
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Post by Raison D'etritus on Sept 27, 2010 2:43:56 GMT -5
megalink was BANNED!? HORRIBLE! ALoY without needless antagonism is like FF7 without Sephiroth, Xenogears without Grahf, Dante's Inferno without Satan, or an internet forum without a random jackass spreading needless antagonism!
Seriously, saunter on over to the emuforums. Squall Leonhart has over 20,000 posts, all of which are some variation of "Stupid NooB, you don't deserve to live." (I think if some of these people got off the internet, and went to finda a woman, small boy, or barnyard animal, maybe they wouldn't be so goddamn bitter.)
But more on topic, and less satirical: You people are really raising my anticipation for this damn game. It's a shame it'll be years before I can play it. I plan to play all the Eiyuu Densetsus both in order (likely skipping #2, as the first didn't impress me too terribly much) and in Japanese. I've already acquired the Sora no Kisekis as motivation for my education (actually acquiring them was what spurred me to finally start learning in the first place), but XSEED is trying to make me lazy.
I may just break down when the time comes, and buy multiple copies of the games.
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Just so everyone knows, the issue has been resolved! 
So anyway~ how about that Zero no Kiseki?! That does sound like a lot of fun! I love the EarthBound-y touch they're giving its battle system; where you insta-kill weaker enemies, and how you approach them determines your position in battle! 
