korzic
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Hmm, something feels off...
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Post by korzic on Oct 8, 2010 13:49:12 GMT -5
While I agree that regalsin is expressing his opinion, the manner in which he does so (both here, and in other topics) is quite arrogant. More often than not, it seems to come off as, "This is how I see things, and if you disagree, you obviously have no taste."
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Post by Raison D'etritus on Oct 8, 2010 14:12:39 GMT -5
Red, why are you including me in your gripe? It seems you merely scanned over anything I wrote, or are simply making base assumptions. Please cite, verbatim, where I in any way was offensive toward regalsin.
And if you're referring to my single jape about spelling inconsistencies, look around this forum for about one and a half minutes. Teasing each other is a sign of WELCOME.
Contrary to your quite inaccurate assumption, I have specifically stated that we should humor him rather than ignore him as some have suggested, and I have not yet specifically called him out on anything.
But, if you will excuse me, and I mean no offense, I will take this opportunity to correct YOU. You say he has trouble wording things, but if you actually LOOK at his posts (I mean more than one, COMPARATIVELY) it becomes evident that a word he does not at one point know, he at another does. He exchanges homophones intentionally, and even the occasional skew of illogic where he breaks from his own thesis has an obvious feel of contrivance. THAT is what some people are upset about, the fact that he doesn't take the forum seriously, but merely at personal-entertainment value.
I personally have no issue with it, so do not fallaciously include me in a deceitful complaint, as I see THAT as offensive. VERY. Feel free to critique me, but do it honestly. As for regal, I actually intended to reply to some of his posts at some point when I have the time, but I mean to apply similar (il)logic and silliness. I think he would actually appreciate that.
Besides, if we don't humor him light heartedly, his MO is to up the ante to racial and religious slurs until he gets banned. I greatly prefer light hearted silliness.
EDIT: also, calling me an immature little kid because my favorite system is the SNES WOULD be offensive if I thought he was at all serious.
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Post by sushi on Oct 8, 2010 15:28:01 GMT -5
Ah, "offence"! The new "genius".
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Post by Red Hairdo on Oct 8, 2010 17:45:09 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure a sentence like "We all know that *insert regalsin's opinion here*" counts as forcing his opinion on other people as fact. Also, it's not untrue that what he wrote was nonsense. If you consider what we're doing to be offensive, though, then he's been offensive as well. Calling the 3DS garbage because he has a hard-on for 2D (especially the PCE), saying Capcom should have released Mega Man Legends 3 on the Dreamcast or Saturn (l ol) and essentially saying anyone who buys it on the 3DS is a "happy go lucky fanboy" can easily be classified as trolling, then. And I'm being lenient right now by not mentioning his escapades in the chat, among other things. Before anything else... I can only speak for what I saw in this thread. I haven't read his posts in the 3DS thread, myself, nor did I see him in ALoY's chatroom. I'm talking about most (not everyone's) reactions directed at him as a response to what he posted here. I don't know if flaming at him in the others threads would have been fair/unfair, but in here I'm defending it was unfair (and here only *emphatizes*). Anyway, that's the thing: he was never directly offensive, and I personally don't think he intended to offend anyone, really. I see great dosage of fanboyism in his post, and how he isn't getting anyone's point in case it goes against whatever is on his mind. But I say let him be: he isn't being harmful in that post. When you or anyone directly offend the guy, you or whoever does it lose all reason. Especially when he didn't do so in the first place. If he EVER ended up being directly offensive, though, just report to a mod or something, since that could be taken into consideration for banning, but that's not the case yet (in this thread, at least). While I agree that regalsin is expressing his opinion, the manner in which he does so (both here, and in other topics) is quite arrogant. More often than not, it seems to come off as, "This is how I see things, and if you disagree, you obviously have no taste." That, I agree. Him being arrogant, that is... As for the latter... I... personally didn't quite see it like he was judging others out there, but maybe that's because I never take his words that way... At least he wasn't like so in this thread so far, from what I've seen. xD Red, why are you including me in your gripe? It seems you merely scanned over anything I wrote, or are simply making base assumptions. Please cite, verbatim, where I in any way was offensive toward regalsin. And if you're referring to my single jape about spelling inconsistencies, look around this forum for about one and a half minutes. Teasing each other is a sign of WELCOME. Contrary to your quite inaccurate assumption, I have specifically stated that we should humor him rather than ignore him as some have suggested, and I have not yet specifically called him out on anything. [...] I personally have no issue with it, so do not fallaciously include me in a deceitful complaint, as I see THAT as offensive. VERY. Feel free to critique me, but do it honestly. As for regal, I actually intended to reply to some of his posts at some point when I have the time, but I mean to apply similar (il)logic and silliness. I think he would actually appreciate that. Besides, if we don't humor him light heartedly, his MO is to up the ante to racial and religious slurs until he gets banned. I greatly prefer light hearted silliness. ... *rereads just in case* Hm, I know why I thought you were offensive a bit, but... I was mistaken. When I first read your post, for a second I thought you wrote all that story and everything in a way to mock regalsin (mocking someone every once and then is OK, but I found the situation a bit too delicate for mocking), probably due to the circumstances. (That is, right after Wyrdwad's, HJ's, yotaka's and Peytral's posts.) But after rereading very carefully and slowly... Yeah, I don't think you meant any of that, and you definitely didn't directly say ANYTHING at all to regalsin. Anyway... Yeah, I slipped there. But do know I didn't just "scan" that section of posts and assumed everyone was being offensive or anything. (I didn't include Schlagwerk afterall.) But I admit I was wrong... I'm a bit ashamed, and I hope you can accept my apologies. But, if you will excuse me, and I mean no offense, I will take this opportunity to correct YOU. You say he has trouble wording things, but if you actually LOOK at his posts (I mean more than one, COMPARATIVELY) it becomes evident that a word he does not at one point know, he at another does. He exchanges homophones intentionally, and even the occasional skew of illogic where he breaks from his own thesis has an obvious feel of contrivance. THAT is what some people are upset about, the fact that he doesn't take the forum seriously, but merely at personal-entertainment value. About that... I did notice how, at times, he words things crystal-clearly and perfectly, then, at times, like he did in this thread, suddenly half of what he says seems to be total gibberish. But to me, it seems he only "crumbles" when he's doing lengthy posts, and when he's defending something he's passionate about (PC Engine, especifically). To me, it feels like he rages at those times, instead of deliberately trying to type gibberish. Wyrdwad seems to share a similar point of view: You don't seem to do very well when you write lengthy diatribes But I admit I may be wrong. But I don't think any of us can truly know that. EDIT: also, calling me an immature little kid because my favorite system is the SNES WOULD be offensive if I thought he was at all serious. Like I told HJ in the beginning of my post, I really only meant to address his latest post (or his posts in this thread), which made him get flamed at or "threatened" by some. And what you say wasn't there, but... If he did say so, that would be an indirect offense, I think, yeah. I personally think that whatever he says, he's serious, too. Also, even though I happen to love the SNES (which is undeniably one of the best game systems in all history, due to its game library), I wouldn't be offended with such a statement. But yeah, that's just me. It's just that I don't see any reason to: I do know I'm no little immature kid or anything, anyway, so I'd assume such a sentence wasn't meant for me, since it obviously doesn't apply. But if he did say "You, Red Hairdo, are an immature little kid, since you love that system.", then it's blatant he means me, and thus I'd naturally report. To everyone: The guy can be a pain to understand, but I don't think flaming him (or even flaming back) is the solution. That's my point. If I ever caught him being clearly, directly offensive, then I would want him banned myself, but from what I have seen, it doesn't seem to be the case.
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Post by HJ on Oct 8, 2010 18:00:37 GMT -5
I didn't see anything that I would consider a flame on any of the last few pages, honestly. Also, regalsin is being willfully ignorant (both of general facts and the English language) whenever it pleases him, which would be obvious if you read more of his posts (and had seen him in the chat) as was said by raisondetritus. I don't mean to be rude, but perhaps it is you who should look around a bit and get some more perspective on this whole thing before accusing people of attacking an innocent member. Furthermore, where are these directly offensive posts (i.e. flames) you speak of? People didn't call him a retard or anything. He does ignore logical arguments, his post did pass off his own opinion as fact at least to some extent, and it was nonsensical. All the complaints leveled against his post were valid.
It seems to me you just want to look out for the guy who has no one on his side (or be a devil's advocate for kicks), which is commendable enough, but there's a reason everyone else is on the opposite side of the spectrum in this particular argument.
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Post by Red Hairdo on Oct 8, 2010 18:54:11 GMT -5
I didn't see anything that I would consider a flame on any of the last few pages, honestly. Also, regalsin is being willfully ignorant (both of general facts and the English language) whenever it pleases him, which would be obvious if you read more of his posts (and had seen him in the chat) as was said by raisondetritus. I don't mean to be rude, but perhaps it is you who should look around a bit and get some more perspective on this whole thing before accusing people of attacking an innocent member. [...] It seems to me you just want to look out for the guy who has no one on his side (or be a devil's advocate for kicks), which is commendable enough, but there's a reason everyone else is on the opposite side of the spectrum in this particular argument. Wait, let me make this clear: I'm not defending regalsin, nor saying he is an innocent member overall. If you PROPERLY look at what I wrote and what words I used, all I defended was that he didn't do anything wrong on his LAST post. And that YOU did. Again, I'm defending what's happening HERE; I'm not defending the member, but rather the content of his post. All that you said after his last post WAS directed to that single post of his, as well, and not the member itself. Christ. >_> As for what he does elsewhere, he's in you all, witnesses', hands. In this forum, I haven't seen him doing anything that deserved banning so far. Nor do I think any of the moderators and admins did (except for Wyrd, in this very thread, whose complaint about regalsin's latest post I didn't agree with). Just how you say there are reasons for people to be against his very presence, there ARE reasons for him not having been banned yet. Furthermore, where are these directly offensive posts (i.e. flames) you speak of? People didn't call him a retard or anything. He does ignore logical arguments, his post did pass off his own opinion as fact at least to some extent, and it was nonsensical. All the complaints leveled against his post were valid. I think a better choice of words would be to be "disrespectful" rather than flame. Anyway, here: Dude, what the hell? Seriously... you're making my head spin with all this nonsense. Shh, just leave him alone and let's let us adults talk. He's clearly Immune to Logic anyways. Successful troll is successful? And d00des, I just made the mistake of reading regalsin's post up there. Jesus Christ, I think that's long write-up is the epitome of trying to pass off opinion as fact. X____________x Also, you seem to be implying I said he wasn't being nonsensical, or anything, but I clearly stated the opposite up there: It's true that all that he stated isn't relevant to the current subject of this topic, which is about whether certain games are canonical or not etc. (not saying it was offtopic: it was ONtopic, but just had no relevancy) and that he's quite mistaken about many things
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Post by Peytral on Oct 8, 2010 18:57:19 GMT -5
When a person's been banned on 20-something forums, I think it's safe to assume that he's a troll.
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Post by Red Hairdo on Oct 8, 2010 19:17:52 GMT -5
It may be useful reference. xD
But it's as Unsavory said in that one thread: as long as he doesn't "break rules", it's OK. I think the "being banned from 20+ boards" might be useful to know what to expect, but not enough to ban him directly, in my opinion..
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Post by HJ on Oct 8, 2010 19:20:07 GMT -5
Yes, you're defending his last post in this topic, right? And I'm saying the complaints raised against his post were valid. You seem to be the only one who disagrees here. Also, you don't just look at posts and ignore the poster, that's not how it works. I responded like I did exactly because it was regalsin who wrote the post. I would have gotten something entirely different out of the post had, say, Wyrd posted it, and my response would have reflected that.
I see very little merit in judging purely on a post to post basis rather than forming a general opinion of someone based on their general behavior. And perhaps it is because I already have a general idea of how regalsin behaves, and what kind of person he is, that I perceive his post differently from you who insist on looking at it simply as a post rather than "a post by regalsin". Even then, however, I would argue that you're simply wrong. I don't really think any of our posts were offensive, and it's especially mystifying that you consider ours to be disrespectful, but not his. Honestly though, if you really think posts like these are bad enough to warrant big posts about how offensive and disrespectful they are, then I'd say you're blissfully unaware of just how harsh the Internet can (and will) get once you venture beyond the safety of ALoY.
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Post by Raison D'etritus on Oct 8, 2010 20:07:35 GMT -5
What's funny is, he's laughing his ass off as he reads this stuff.
ED: also, I am offended that regalsin's feigned insanity is getting more attention than my notion that Adol and Dogi were murderous homosexual mercenaries. I thought SOMEBODY would defend HIM at least.
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Post by HJ on Oct 8, 2010 20:17:28 GMT -5
Yeah, I was thinking the same thing myself. About him laughing, I mean.
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korzic
Chryolos
Hmm, something feels off...
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Post by korzic on Oct 8, 2010 23:41:57 GMT -5
Personally, I'd say just leave the topic as it is (unless it gets even further out of hand).
In the event that it legitimately is an embarrassing experience for regalsin, hopefully this will serve to teach him to be more careful when expressing his views. Obviously, he should still express them if he wishes to do so, he just needs to put more thought into how others might receive his message. And if this is all just a source of amusement for him, well, that should be evident the more he posts.
In any event, no need to try and "re-write" the past, unfortunate though it may be. All I'm saying is that it'd probably be better to leave the messages as they are, for the benefit of everyone involved when we look back on this. There's always something to be learned in each situation, and trying to "re-write" or "erase" it does nobody any good.
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Post by Incog Neato on Oct 15, 2010 22:41:05 GMT -5
Hey, here's a suggestion: Why not just lock the topic before anyone else (like new folks) decide to come in and cause more havoc? :B Afterall, there's nothing much to debate at the moment other than who's more offensive. D:
.... I just noticed that Ys has an apostrophe in the actual subject but the auto-correct simply negates it. XD
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