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Post by risinghourglass on Dec 6, 2011 20:26:32 GMT -5
Note: This contains major Ys I and II spoilers and Felghana/Napishtim spoilers
Hello Ancient Land of Ys! First post, ahaha. So I'm a little confused on something and I'm hoping someone can clarify it.
At the end of Ys II magic is, to my knowledge, sealed away with the defeat of Darm/the black pearl.
However Adol uses magic-imbued weapons in Felghana, Napishtim, etc. and is also attacked by enemies that have magical powers.
Can anyone explain this? I haven't played Napishtim or Felghana in years so I've largely forgotten their plots (though there were 'local' deities which might explain it), but I'm hoping someone can clear it up for me. Thanks!
Modification: I'm also curious about like "world-creation" as far as divine figures in Ys goes. Was each region independently creation by its' local spiritual force? Thanks a bunch.
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Post by yotaka on Dec 6, 2011 22:29:40 GMT -5
Different regions have different sources of magic. The sealing of the Black Pearl also seals the ability to use magic that was derived from it, which is what Adol was using in II. Magic in other regions (and hence games) is unaffected because that magic didn't come from that source.
Magic in Oath comes from the elemental spirits of Felghana whose powers are embodied in the three rings/bracelets you collect. Magic in IV comes from different sources depending on the game, V comes from alchemy, VI is from the Emelas swords and Seven comes from dragon energy. None of these have any reason to be affected by the events of Ys II since none of them are related to the Black Pearl. VI comes the closest since magic in both cases comes from Emelas but the source is still different.
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Post by risinghourglass on Dec 6, 2011 22:34:25 GMT -5
So Feena and Lair only hold divine power over Esteria (And Ys by proxy) then? That's what I assumed but it was just conjecture, haha. It's good to hear my reasoning wasn't off. Awesome, thank you very much for the information!
So was each Goddess/spirit/divine force is responsible for the creation of a separate geographical region?
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Post by yotaka on Dec 7, 2011 9:41:18 GMT -5
You're reading way too much into this. The various ways that grant magic didn't create the regions of the world, they just arose there or were brought there.
For example, the Black Pearl didn't originate in Esteria. Mask of the Sun says Celceta but that's only certain until Sea of Trees comes out, the much newer Alternative Saga places Feena and Reah's birthplace as the (now lost) Atlas Continent which is probably where the Pearl ultimately comes from.
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Post by risinghourglass on Dec 7, 2011 13:08:31 GMT -5
Interesting. I've never played any of the IV or V incarnations so that's cool to know. I've never heard about the black pearl's origins being outside of Esteria. Thanks for the information.
Haha I think you might have misunderstood what I asked: I was asking whether the deities had a role in creating the various landmasses (Such as Alma with the Canaan Islands), not whether the magical artifacts such as the bracelets or the black pearl had a role in any creation since that wouldn't really make much sense.
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Post by cercia on Dec 8, 2011 10:05:33 GMT -5
I'd like to contribute from a mythological perspective. The Black Pearl created the monsters in Ys and had to be destroyed for that reason. Thus you could argue that the Pearl can become useful if the goddesses' intentions changed. Therefore, if you think about 'rogue' as opposed to 'divine/official' magic? The goddesses appear to be worshipped and revered throughout the land as all-powerful holy guardians who could grant any wishes and could probably create anything. The name 'Leah' is similar to the mother goddess 'Rhea', the mother of all the Greek gods. The Ys world is inspired by stories of lost lands and ancient cultures (according to 'Strategy, mostly Celtic and pre-Roman era). The original story of Ys is a bit different and doesn't mention goddesses.  'Ys was built below sea level by Gradlon, King of Cornouaille, upon the request of his daughter Dahut (also called Ahes), who loved the sea. In another version of the legend Ys was founded more than 2000 years before Gradlon's reign in a then-dry location off the current coast of the Bay of Douarnenez, but the Breton coast had slowly given way to the sea so that Ys was under it at each high tide when Gradlon's reign began.
To protect Ys from inundation, a dike was built with a gate that was opened for ships during low tide. The one key that opened the gate was held by the king. Ys was the most beautiful and impressive city in the world, but quickly became a city of sin under the influence of Princess Dahut, the king's murderous daughter.
One day, a knight dressed in red came to Ys. Dahut asked him to come with her, and one night, he agreed. A storm broke out in the middle of the night and the waves could be heard smashing against the gate and the bronze walls. Dahut said to the knight: "Let the storm rage. The gates of the city are strong, and it is King Gradlon, my father, who owns the only key, attached to his neck." The knight replied: "Your father the king sleeps. You can now easily take his key." Dahut stole the key from her father and gave it to the knight, who was none other than the devil. The devil, or, in another version of the story, a wine-besotted Dahut herself, then opened the gate.
Because the gate was open during storm and at high tide, a wave as high as a mountain collapsed on Ys. King Gradlon and his daughter climbed on Morvarc'h, his magical horse. Saint Winwaloe approached them and told Gradlon: "Push back the demon sitting behind you!" Gradlon initially refused, but he finally gave in and pushed his daughter into the sea. The sea swallowed Dahut, who became a mermaid or morgen.
Gradlon took refuge in Quimper, which became his new capital. An equestrian statue of Gradlon still stands between the spires of the Cathedral of Saint Corentin in Quimper. It is said that the bells of the churches of Ys can still be heard in a calm sea off the coast. Paris means 'par (like) Ys' and therefore is considered the successor to Ys.'' |
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Post by Raison D'etritus on Dec 12, 2011 20:17:47 GMT -5
Holy Shit! I've been hitting on the wrong woman!  Cercia, I never pegged you for an intellectual. Check your PMs, ma peche.  |
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Post by cercia on Dec 26, 2011 10:18:39 GMT -5
I just love old folklore. I've found mention of a founding goddess, attended by priests. Rising, check out the beginning texts of Plato's dialogue on history and Atlantis - www.activemind.com/Mysterious/Topics/atlantis/critias_page4.htmlThe goddess mentioned by Plato is probably Athena who was thought to have taught Asiatic people military skills. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2011 11:41:13 GMT -5
Gradlon took refuge in Quimper, which became his new capital. An equestrian statue of Gradlon still stands between the spires of the Cathedral of Saint Corentin in Quimper. It is said that the bells of the churches of Ys can still be heard in a calm sea off the coast. Paris means 'par (like) Ys' and therefore is considered the successor to Ys.'' [/i][/quote] The Statue of Gradlon faces the direction of Ys.  I red one legend where Ys will rise up once again since it was never really destroyed, but flooded. I find these stories fascinating. Me thinks I shall go for a swim and find this city myself. |
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Post by Kuro-chan on Dec 31, 2011 8:37:52 GMT -5
I though the Black Pearl was also responsible for bringing wealth to Esteria through the creation of Cleria (Silver)...?
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Post by cercia on Jan 1, 2012 19:08:10 GMT -5
Plato mentions that Atlantis was famed for the red metal Orihalcon. Cleria in Ys was also a specially-mined metal. That's the closest I could find.
According to Edgar Cayce, Atlantis was powered by crystals. I hope Ys will have more crystals in the future...I wouldn't mind seeing a black crystal...
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