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Post by cercia on Dec 28, 2011 10:19:19 GMT -5
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Post by galious on Dec 28, 2011 10:34:38 GMT -5
Awesome!!
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Post by Raison D'etritus on Dec 28, 2011 13:02:45 GMT -5
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Post by Kimimi on Dec 28, 2011 14:05:49 GMT -5
I enjoyed that part too - especially Olivier getting a wash tub to the face
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Post by jdkluv on Dec 28, 2011 14:58:16 GMT -5
Oliver: Phantom Thief, let me ask you, what is beauty for you? Phantom Thief: Beauty is the sublime. It is about shining at one's best Oliver: No, true beauty is... Love! *throws rose*
EPIC.
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Post by Shadowserg on Dec 28, 2011 17:00:41 GMT -5
Awesome! But I'll wait till I beat the all games in trilogy.
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Post by korzic on Dec 28, 2011 21:13:09 GMT -5
Thank you for posting this! I should probably avoid watching further for the time being, though, seeing as how I've only played FC. Karura: - Society = referring to Ouroboros?Not sure, but probably. - I wouldn´t be surprised if there have been a coup d'état prior to the current events, but it doesn´t change the fact that I´m completely clueless about it... I think they're referring to the last part of FC's main plot (FC SPOILERS AHEAD). My memory's a bit rusty on this, but basically, a sect of Liberl's military feared an invasion from Erebonia/Calvard that they couldn't handle, and were told (by Oroboros, presumably) of an ancient weapon that could help even the playing field, so they set about trying to re-activate it. That military sect was in league with mercenaries to achieve this goal, plus the Queen would want a peaceful solution to security issues, so they obviously didn't want her interfering. - Why Estelle´s father was deemed as a delicuent-like Bracer by Renne?Actually, Estelle makes the delinquent remark (and Tita quietly questions it afterwards). I don't know why she says it, but my guess is she doesn't want people to think she's taking the easy/lazy career choice by following in her dad's footsteps (in other words, people might see her without a "true" sense of identity, if that makes sense). No clue on the other questions, sorry.
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Post by Raison D'etritus on Dec 29, 2011 0:06:30 GMT -5
Ditto. Enjoyed it, though. It's just a damn shame it started in medias res; I'd have loved an adaptation of the trilogy in its entirety. And I'm now considering using the unofficial English patch to play my PC copy of FC. *banned*
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Post by daq on Dec 29, 2011 22:06:10 GMT -5
I'd buy this seperately, or packaged with Second Chapter, if it were possible for XSEED. My favorite part? Estelle going to sleep, to deeply nostalgic music. The harmonica falling over and hitting her head was just the perfect touch. All in all, well played Falcom, well played indeed.
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Post by cercia on Jan 1, 2012 19:04:48 GMT -5
My pleasure, working on improving the quality of my posts^^ Let's enjoy the rest of the series everyone!
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Post by arale on Jan 5, 2012 9:31:01 GMT -5
Hi sry to ask it here but is there a sora no kiseki gallery or something like it? I want the little estelle with bug net picture (so cute O.O....)
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Post by shadesofblue on Jan 17, 2012 14:54:47 GMT -5
I started watching and once I knew it took place during Second Chapter, I only watched a little more before stopping. *sigh* Guess I won't be watching this adaption for a long long time. As I'm not going to spoil the next title for me. Xseed, please hurry bringing SC over. FC was great!
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Post by jdkluv on Jan 17, 2012 18:17:45 GMT -5
Movie opening of episode 2:
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Post by daq on Mar 13, 2012 20:59:50 GMT -5
Hmm, floofy, do you know if Falcom decided to do more animated episodes?
From what I remember, nothing from the past trailers showed up in this episode (not that I'm complaining myself). I thought that it could be because Falcom decided that they didn't want to rush too much, due to generally positive ratings for episode 1.
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Post by yotaka on Mar 13, 2012 23:37:58 GMT -5
Regardless of what the official listings say, this can't be the end. The first trailers showed off scenes from the final chapter and you'd better believe that they're going to deliver on what they promised or there will be torches and pitchforks in Falcom's future. Plus, let's consider where things stand: Volume 1 covered a fraction of Chapters 1 and 3 and a bit more of Chapter 2. Basically, you get a no-context version of the encounter with Bleublanc at Jenis to justify including Klose, a tiny bit of Renne's introduction and reveal as a member of Ouroboros (minus having to run around Grancel after her and the whole tea party, ie all the buildup and really interesting bits) and the meat of the story is a condensed version of the Gospel experiment in Zeiss with the Elmo sidequest thrown in because everyone loves an onsen scene and they were going to be right there anyways.
Volume 2 is basically Chapter 6 with Loewe and Renne getting all the glory (being the most popular characters helps). Okay, there's also some Chapter 4 at the start to justify Schera's presence in the story but mostly we're looking at the Glorious and the developments that happen there. Where does that leave us?
That leaves the entire point of the Gospel Plan still up in the air. The Device Towers haven't been activated, the Liberl Ark hasn't returned and Weissmann hasn't done a damned thing yet. We know they've animated the battle atop Axis Pillar and the way they've left things, they can't really avoid the encounters with the other Legion members on the way up. Then they've got to deal with Weissmann and Aureole (and pull Kevin out of whatever convenient corner they've hidden him in unless they want to rewrite the ending) in order to give this story a conclusion. To get to that point they need to at least establish some of Chapters 7 and 8 to give the Ark some context. Sure, the series is clearly meant for people who've played the games but they've got to give us something in order to pretend there's a proper story being told. So yeah, there's stuff they've effectively promised to cover and would be insane not to. If they don't, they'll violate a tenant of storytelling. Quoth Mark Twain: tale shall accomplish something and arrive somewhere. But [the OVA currently] accomplishes nothing and arrives in the air.
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Post by yotaka on Mar 14, 2012 15:26:58 GMT -5
Possibly, although the opening sequence includes elements from the endgame and a shot of Weissmann. I'm not sure why they'd tease us with him if they have no intention of actually using him in some way. Oh yeah, while we're talking about this let me answer some of Karura's questions. Sorry about the delay. - Society = referring to Ouroboros?Yes, one of the shorthands used for Ouroboros in Japanese is kessha which can mean society or organization. There's tons of similar uses in the series, such as Ring as a shorthand for Shining Ring which is itself a descriptive shorthand (well, it's shorter in Japanese) for Aureole. - I wouldn´t be surprised if there have been a coup d'état prior to the current events, but it doesn´t change the fact that I´m completely clueless about it... Korzic more or less nailed it. There was a coup attempt in the first game (which is what Tita's talking about) and the plotters were ultimately being manipulated by Ouroboros. End result: Ouroboros got what it wanted (releasing the first seal on the ancient artifact the coup faction was tricked into looking for) while their catspaws did not. - Who´s Maje?Nobody; Maje is a very badly translated majuu, ie 'monsters'. The fansub is, to put it politely, not good. - What was the incident Joshua and Josette talked about? Seems like Zweiss has taken away an OrbmentAnother example of bad translation. Josette is confirming that one of Ouroboros' Gospel experiments is being performed in Zeiss, which is why Joshua shows up there in the end. - Why Estelle´s father was deemed as a delicuent-like Bracer by Renne?Estelle's the one who calls Cassius that and her view of her father is different from most peoples. The fact that he encourages Scherazard's drinking habit might play a small part in this but it's mostly their personalities clashing and Estelle not knowing as much about her father as she really should.
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Post by daq on Mar 15, 2012 21:17:34 GMT -5
Having had to the time and ease of mind to sit down, relax, and watch both episodes back to back without video coding that goes totally mental like a brain on speed: -Episode 1 is a good fun pulpy ride. Now, as someone who has been spoiled on top notch watercolor animations, and who has watched too many horribly animated cel-toons, I admit to being biased against the style of animation going on, but I approve of what CC has done. Some of the little details, like how Bilblanc totally shows off with his knife tricks twirls the shiv and I am not jealous at all, or how Walter sweeps Agate off his feet and then gives him a right hook in one fluid motion, are just rockin’. Marks of animators who aren’t skimping or cutting corners to make deadlines. Audio is good, voice work is good (I really did like Oliver’s response to Scherazard in Elmo telling him to put up or get out), I got no real complaints against the storyboard and differences from 2nd. One of my favourite parts is while Bilblanc is talking to Klose about beautybeautyClaudiabeautyBEAUTY, the rest of the party destroys the robot off screen (two story robot with laser and swords? Just another day of work) and Estelle is all like “GET OUT” in the middle of his proselytization. Action wise: I think the real stunner of this episode was Walter. Yeah, I know what Joshua did to him in the end, but seriously, I haven’t seen anyone in a suit hand out such stylin’ beatdowns since Agent Smith put Morpheus’s head in a toilet, or Makoto players go crazy in EVO. His reaction to being kneed in the jaw is to throw Joshua to the ground and kidney shot him. Now I really really want to see his duel with Rixia. I’m kinda sad we don’t see Estelle doing anything insane, but she still does well with what’s she’s got. After all that Walter does, and /then/ kicks her through a stone pillar, that only keeps her down for a minute, and then she’s right back to climbing up a cliff. Agate on the other hand, was, well, a disappointment. He comes off as slow and a bit clumsy, in comparison to his game cutscenes where he’s rather agile and fast, it’s just, he ends up fighting Lowe there. Although he did headbutt Walter’s fist to momentarily put him off, so respect where it is due. -Episode 2 on the other hand is a fair bit more serious. Lucciola’s sequence in Rolent is kinda….well, awkwardly paced, even if Estelle’s dream is important, and done well at that. Still, worse would be just ignoring Scherazard, so make do with what’s available. In comparison, the story really does pick up on Renne, Lowe, Joshua, and Estelle, and it’s pretty noticeable that the director puts all his efforts into those scenes. In a few short sentences, Renne is truly established as a pitiable mess of a person. In a few short sentences, Lowe successfully argues that the wars of nations are at the primary expense of the weak for the benefit of the strong – that the truth is hidden out of simple convenience instead of any kind of true necessity – that the world is a pretty cruel place. (I fully expected Joshua to agree and say that it is cruel - and beautiful. Go read Shingeki no Kyojin already.) In a few short frames, Joshua’s sister is killed while /not/ protecting Joshua. That part wasn’t exactly a highlight. But anyways, it was still a good episode. I really did like how Estelle punts the Glorious security robot right off the platform, and how in comparison to Joshua’s fight with Walter, he is pretty much running the hell away from Lowe the entire time. Lowe talking about how Joshua has lost his fangs and become weak? Estelle replies “BULLSHIT, no he isn’t.” No wonder they’re in love with each other, they’ve got the guts to do so. Also the sky diving was gorgeous, although I am still confused as to why no one has thought of inventing the parachute yet when air travel is so prevalent on the continent. Perhaps the textiles industry has far too much demand for high quality clothes to even think of expanding to other products? Also, Estelle giving Joshua back that kiss. That part isn’t the equal of the beach where Estelle is not going to let go of Joshua again, but hey, it stands up well on its own. So, yeah. More episodes please.
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Post by yotaka on Mar 16, 2012 1:02:34 GMT -5
One of my favourite parts is while Bilblanc is talking to Klose about beautybeautyClaudiabeautyBEAUTY, the rest of the party destroys the robot off screen (two story robot with laser and swords? Just another day of work) and Estelle is all like “GET OUT” in the middle of his proselytization.Oh how I wish Stormbringer was that easy to kill. **** you Muppet Flaggers and the death buffs you rode in on. And yeah, loved that scene. Hopefully they'll animate more and we'll get some of his Device Tower/Axis Pillar dialogue. Agate on the other hand, was, well, a disappointment. He comes off as slow and a bit clumsy, in comparison to his game cutscenes where he’s rather agile and fastI know you're talking fighting but personally I found that the biggest disappointment was the complete axing of Chapter 5. Tita's 'I am not moving' moment in the face of Loewe and a giant frigging dragon really deserves some recognition. the story really does pick up on Renne, Lowe, Joshua, and Estelle, and it’s pretty noticeable that the director puts all his efforts into those scenes. In a few short sentences, Renne is truly established as a pitiable mess of a person.I have this suspicion that the director had a checklist of things Falcom wanted and right at the top of that list was 'Make Renne look good'. Actually, did anyone else feel that Loewe felt off at times? After learning exactly what Kernviter does to its weilders I can kinda understand but the only time he really seemed angry in the game was during his duel with Joshua and even then only when Karin came up. Even when confronting Weissmann over Hamel he stayed calm. Parts of his fight with Joshua in the second episode came across as him being a bit unhinged and he looked quite a bit meaner than he ever did in-game at times. In a few short frames, Joshua’s sister is killed while /not/ protecting Joshua. That part wasn’t exactly a highlight.I found the cartoonish thugs and the dog to be more off-putting. It's only the most important moment in Joshua and Loewe's pasts, sure, why not add some totally unnecessary extra pathos and make the people responsible look like they belong in an episode of TMNT? I really did like how Estelle punts the Glorious security robot right off the platformThe Vogel gets no respect... Also the sky diving was gorgeous, although I am still confused as to why no one has thought of inventing the parachute yet when air travel is so prevalent on the continent.Maybe I'm remembering something that's not there (I did talk with a professor earlier today) but I could swear that a parachute was mentioned when a certain someone had to make an emergency landing in The 3rd. [/spoiler]
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Post by daq on Mar 16, 2012 15:38:29 GMT -5
Hmmm, regarding Lowe: He definitely is quite a bit more ruthless than he was in the original game, and I may say even more emotionally broken, but I can't help but think that it's a retroactive change in light of Ao no Kiseki and how Ouroborus operates in that game.
I mean, in FC and SC, almost all of the atrocities are pinned on Weissman, between the 100 day War, Halem, and whatever else. The rest of the Society are pretty terrible themselves, but what they do in those games amounts to major major inconveniences for innocent civilians and beating the stuffing out of soldiers.
In AnK, the Organization has absolutely no serious objections having their allies go full postal on Crossbell, wrecking and burning the city, their Gundams Gundams provoking a very serious (and unstoppable) war with the Empire, partaking in a bunch of reprehensible things that I can't remember, et cetera. Their actions come off in the end as "here, have some misery and destruction. So long, and thanks for the magic treasures!"
So, while the Organization always does come off as a a twisted snarl of good intentions and horrible actions, the group itself is considerably more horrible in AnK.
But I don't mind that Lowe comes off as more ambiguous in the OVA. I prefer it where he tries his hardest to be a good person where possible for Renne and Joshua, but he's been a warrior for over a decade and he just can't reconcile both halves of himself, and that after so much fighting, he's come to enjoy what he does. That kinda reminds me, what's up with the Lowe gaiden these days? EDIT: I probably shouldn't forget that Ouroborus almost did start a war in SC - but that's under very different circumstances, as a byproduct, and a whole lot more controllable.
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Post by yotaka on Mar 19, 2012 17:29:39 GMT -5
On the almost-war in SC Ouroboros did start a war between Liberl and Erebonia, ten years earlier. Well, Weissmann started a war (setting aside his self-serving assertion that it would have happened eventually anyways). If the Leader really does care about minimizing collateral damage, she's doing a horrible job of it. Hmm, maybe not giving sociopaths positions of authority with limited oversight would be a good idea for future operations? Then again, if she didn't learn from everything Weissmann did in ten years...
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