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Post by ParanoiaDragon on May 9, 2006 17:21:59 GMT -5
Actually, I'm diggine all the FF7 games from what I can tell so far, & I'm looking forward to the 2 new Mana games.
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Post by Falcom Director of Fanservice on May 9, 2006 21:54:30 GMT -5
I am cautiously hopeful about the Mana games, myself.
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Post by CrazyJo82 on May 9, 2006 23:54:54 GMT -5
I am impressed with Sony's presentation... but I haven't gone through all the press conference yet. I just finished watching Nintendo's... I'll make a different post for it. Back to PS3... I will be buying but not any time soon... I figure they'll still make games for PS2 for a few years then PS3 will drop in price... wait for one of those "Holiday Package" and voila... besides, I think any of the first release console still have some bugs in it. Best to wait for later versions I think Sony has a larger and more enjoyable game then all console and that's why I bought the PS2... and *most* game on Xbox are either on PS2 as well or out on PC... I personally have not been impressed with xbox360 console or the games that's out there.
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Post by ParanoiaDragon on May 10, 2006 1:18:27 GMT -5
Yeah, the 360 has done nothing for me so far, & from the looks of the games coming out this year & next, it'll continue to do nothing, though I think the 360 conference is tommorrow, so, maybe I'll be surprised, like maybe say, them releasing Far East of Eden Ziria out here. Then I'd actually buy a 360.....around when their NEXT system comes out, so that it's cheap! Even that one game, is not enough for me to care about the 360 for a few years atleast. If they released an exclusive Bonk game for 360, then that'd be different.
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Post by CrazyJo82 on May 10, 2006 12:17:15 GMT -5
The game that I enjoyed playing on xbox are Thief: Deadly Shadows, Fable and Halo 1 & 2 wasn't bad but 3 of the 4 games there ARE ON PC!
And the xbox controller is so friggin' big. The 3rd party xbox controllers are way better.
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Post by FM-77AV on May 10, 2006 12:31:20 GMT -5
Well the Xbox is dead now. But what to expect? This is Microsoft we're talking about.
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Post by cmdrmarkus on May 10, 2006 12:56:17 GMT -5
Always a fun discussion.
Microsoft has 2 big problems. The first being, its Microsoft. The angst towards their name is never-ending and probably always will be. The second, is that the Xbox lacks an identity. The closest identity that it had was with Halo but Microsoft in their genius marketed Halo to the PC as well destroying that identity. Their target market is roughly Teenagers to Adults. But not enough developers are interested in making games for their product that aren't 'across the board' releases. Xbox, also, IMO has the superior system when talking hardware and 360 doesn't seem to be breaking that trend.
Sony however, has the mediocre system of the 3 new releases from what I've seen. It has decent hardware, and implements some of the features that Wii has with the tilt-sensitive controllers. Sony's strength, is that they have a huge following with tons of developers already lined up and are known for putting out great games. Include this with a target market of everyone and you'll see a successful system.
Nintendo is the more interesting of the three. Their market, obviously from their games, strikes me as Youth to Young Adults. Not my crowd personally. They have identity with the Mario, Zelda and Metroid. However, I'm unsure about these new controllers. After watching the Zelda Wii demo, I can't help but wonder if the controllers are too radical - only time will tell. Nintendo has dominated the young market for a while, and will probably continue to do so assuming they don't make things overly complex with their new technology. I can tell you though, from watching that demo the controllers will need to be modified for non-Asian (IE:Big) people. If the guy in the demo was doing things that were stretching the cables to their max, I'd hate to think what a 300 lb 6'1" American man like myself would do with them. That adjustment needs to be made for sure. Another concern I have with the controllers is that you're introducing more cables, with more wires which has a potential for more breakage. We'll see how this works out.
Of the 3, I think Xbox 360 will probably be at the bottom of the trio. Many people, myself included, were very disappointed with the game selection of the XBox and will be reluctant to engage in another Xbox product.
I think that the PS3 will dominate the market because it already has such a huge fanbase and list of accolades.
Nintendo Wii will be somewhere in the middle.
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Post by FM-77AV on May 10, 2006 13:00:25 GMT -5
From what I've heard, the PS3 will be MUCH more powerful than the Xbox 360 (a system that appears to be rather weak, by the way).
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Post by FM-77AV on May 10, 2006 14:08:40 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure the 360 will be another Dreamcast, actually.
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Post by Falcom Director of Fanservice on May 10, 2006 14:48:52 GMT -5
The early days of the console wars taught me not to look too hard at specs. I'm seeing that PS3 is going to be madly expensive, which is going to hurt it unless Wii ends up fairly similiar in price. If I'm not mistaken, 360 is significantly less costly as it stands. Remember how one of the main keys in Playstation's early marketing was the fact that it was fairly cheap? Perhaps I'm an impoverished cynic, but I have a feeling that the opposite effect is going to play a major role in the PS3.
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Post by FM-77AV on May 10, 2006 14:52:04 GMT -5
Since I'm all about the games, I'm VERY excited about both the Wii and the PS3. I'm definitely going to get both of them... someday.
And Nintendo didn't reveal the price on their press conference, but they DID state that it would be cheaper than any other gaming system on the market. Or something like that. My guess is... $250?
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Post by Falcom Director of Fanservice on May 10, 2006 14:55:02 GMT -5
Man, that was quick, Seldane. =D
You know, I ponder what this will do the "Click to get a free PS3!" banner ads?
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Post by FM-77AV on May 10, 2006 14:56:59 GMT -5
I'm here 24/7. Okay, maybe not, but I happened to check in right after your post, I guess. It happens very often.
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Post by cmdrmarkus on May 10, 2006 16:47:53 GMT -5
SELDANE'S A ROBOT!! I TOLD YOU!! Back to the topic... Basically, it comes down to this : "Wow!" factor. Nintendo Wii - I have yet to be wowed by the games. The system? Sure. Its a good system, and has some really cool stuff. How well that gets utilized in the future is the real question. I've seen it used on Zelda and Metroid Prime 3. I'm already seeing some flaws with it. I haven't seen a lot of titles released, but the ones that I have seen that I know are Nintendo honestly haven't impressed me. Bottom line Sorry. I'm more than willing to look at the games open minded but someone needs to lead me towards a game that looks impressive. Sony PS3 - I'm seeing some good games, but I've yet to see anything to get real excited over short of FFXIII, which really I have to dismiss because I'm a Squaresoft fan and tend to be biased towards their games. Heavenly Sword looks great but guess what - its God of War... with a girl. I've seen it before. Then there's 99 Nights. I'm not sure what to think, but it looks uber boring. I'm not denying that they'll have some good games. But the PS3 launch looks pretty weak at this point from what I've seen come out. I've been most impressed with Rogue Galaxy, and funny enough its a PS2 launch Microsoft XBox - What have we seen that's impressive? I can think of 4 offhand : Enchanted Arms, Halo 3, Alan Wake and Gears of War. All 4 looks great from the gameplay I've seen (the Halo 3 teaser IS real time rendering, make no mistake about it). All look like solid games. What's funny is I don't even like the kind of game that Alan Wake is but it looks worthy of a chance. Of course, the only true test is to actually have played them. But so far, Microsoft's system has been FAR more impressive than the rest of them. XBox 360 is far from dead, in fact I think it will have a better launch than the other systems and gamespot agrees. I maintain that PS3 will dominate the market. But they really need to up their launch titles because so far, I can't see many people spending $500 on a system to play a game or two. Quite the unimpressive launch thus far. Yes, I'm kind of biased towards my game choices. I don't like sports games, I don't like silly games like Dance Dance Revolution or Guitar Hero. Those don't appeal to me as an audience, so I discount them. As far as price, Sony has historically launched higher, but I think $250 for 360 or Wii is a pipe dream. I'd be very surprised to see these launch much lower (if lower at all) than $300 each. Keep in mind, they're launching these systems below cost - the question is how much below cost are they willing to go? I follow E3 pretty hard, I have a buddy that's there right now and will be for the duration of the convention that I talk to nightly (lucky punk). I'll talk to him tonight and see what's really blowing people away actually been there and played some of this stuff and pass it along And the new WoW race is, predictably, Draenai if anyone cares LOL Goin home now, see ya on the morrow
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Post by Falcom Director of Fanservice on May 10, 2006 16:54:36 GMT -5
Actually, Playstation managed to catch on at first because it launched at a much lower price than it's competitors at the time. It was pretty much the coffin lid closing for a lot of systems at the time when the price was announced.
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Post by MonCapitan on May 10, 2006 23:26:09 GMT -5
As far as price, Sony has historically launched higher, but I think $250 for 360 or Wii is a pipe dream. I'd be very surprised to see these launch much lower (if lower at all) than $300 each. Keep in mind, they're launching these systems below cost - the question is how much below cost are they willing to go? Nintendo executives have gone on record stating that they developed the Wii in such a way that it would be inexpensive to manufacture. The console will only be about three times more powerful than the Game Cube. My guess is that it will retail at $199.99 and cost less than that to manufacture.
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Post by DoubleD64 on May 11, 2006 9:36:58 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure the 360 will be another Dreamcast, actually. It practically has been already ever since Microsoft released the 360 last fall, which was a wee bit too early to do when you got two more systems to compete against (plus, the biggest reasons the DC got killed was the fact the PS2 was delayed and the capabilities that system had). Microsoft............ too bad boys!
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Post by cmdrmarkus on May 12, 2006 10:59:21 GMT -5
Sorry I didn't get to post yesterday. Crazy day here. I talked to my buddy at E3, he said the Wii controller is very well done but feels awkward. His thoughts are that it will change the gaming industry and the way games are played if it catches on. But its not without its flaws. There were a couple of things kind of annoying about it, like the calibration. And he also questions whether people that want to play a game to relax are really going to want to be twirling around a controller - an interesting thought I hadn't pondered. I'll get a full report when he gets back tonight As far as MS 360 being a Dreamcast. Ha. hahah. hahahhaah ROFLOL. That's ludicrious. Don't you see its a marketing strategy? Guess what system, which is already very competative to the other systems, will be the ONLY system to mark down prices at Christmas? And don't forget that strong lineup of games they have coming out this year. So yeah right, it'll be another Dreamcast. BTW - I'm Neptune, God of the Sea. TheCaptain, you're right. When the PS launched it launched $100 below the price of its already-failing competition. Atari Jaguar, Sega Saturn, and 3D0. I don't think that their success had to do much with that though. It was a stronger system - period. Jaguar was a joke, Sega was already in trouble from the Dreamcast and the 3D0 was an inferior system. So they pretty much didn't have competition already AND they were a little cheaper than the rest But they released later than the others if memory serves
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Post by Falcom Director of Fanservice on May 12, 2006 15:31:51 GMT -5
(plus, the biggest reasons the DC got killed was the fact the PS2 was delayed and the capabilities that system had). I don't quite get what you are saying, here.Could you elaborate a bit? Also, I'm fairly certain that during the PS1's launch, it had little support from third parties; and it was the affordability that helped convince them to jump ship and develop for it. I admit, this may be mistaken.
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Post by cmdrmarkus on May 12, 2006 16:46:30 GMT -5
(plus, the biggest reasons the DC got killed was the fact the PS2 was delayed and the capabilities that system had). The playstation came out around 96. The Dreamcast came out around 2000. It failed for multiple reasons. The first and foremost being that the Playstation had a dead man's grip on the console market. The Dreamcast was also not much of a step up in technology, and many of the developers for Sega were already invested in Sony and Nintendo. I *THINK* you maybe thinking about the Sega Saturn. Fun facts here
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