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Post by id1948 on Dec 10, 2008 3:28:43 GMT -5
Hello all Windows geeks !
I overheard a conversation at work the other day about Windows XP service pack 3 and the bugs that it contains. A collegue was having endless trouble with his sound card and after trying everything under the sun eventually reinstalled Windows with SP2 instead of SP3 - everything worked perfectly after that.
It interested me because I recently re-subscribed to my chosen virus scanner BitDefender (the greatest virus killer of all time - I highly recommend it to all of you) and, under SP3, started getting error messages right from the start.
I did the same - reformatted and reinstalled everything with SP2 .... and guess what.
Perfection.
Is/Has anyone else experienced similar problems?
I'm also a PC musician and I'm now considering going back to SP2 for musical reasons.
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Post by User on Dec 10, 2008 3:39:32 GMT -5
SP3 has been out for like eight months now.  Strange time to make this thread.  I haven't experienced any problems with any computer that I have installed SP3 on (at least five). I always install it immediately after XP (which comes streamlined with SP2) has been installed. I also downloaded a torrent of an XP ISO with SP3 integrated, but the author of it had included other (custom) software in the installation so I stopped using it. I cannot trust an ISO that isn't clean. By the way, I highly recommend to cancel your subscription to Bit Defender. Paying for anti virus software is not right. And if it's not compatible with something as ancient as XP SP3, the authors of it have proven themselves to be lazy and incompetent. I seriously doubt the software IS incompatible with SP3 - but if it is, that's a really bad sign. Maybe they are just as lazy updating their virus databases? Avast is free, doesn't take any resources and works perfectly. I've installed it on the computers of many amateurs, none of which have gone infected after that. Many of these computers were crap, as well, but suffered no slowdown from Avast. |
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Post by id1948 on Dec 10, 2008 3:55:50 GMT -5
Well, I recommended it to another I work with who's ISP had informed him that he had a worm that was eating up his bandwidth. He had tried every major antivirus software there is - nothing.
As soon as he had finished installing BitDefender, it found the worm instantly and removed it.
So no - I won't be canceling my subscription.
I would safely bet that most people in the world wouldn't trust Microshit for anything - if I could afford the money and the time to convert to Mac I would.
It would be pointless for me to remind anyone here that this wouldn't be the first time Windows has @#$%ed up.
It sucks. Plain and simple.
But we use it and we work the problems that it causes.
And you're underlying point is correct - there is no and never will be any absolutely perfectly programmed and executed antivirus software before the earth is swallowed by the sun.
But the proof of the pudding is in the tasting.
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Post by Adol.Christin on Dec 10, 2008 4:53:04 GMT -5
I never experienced problems with SP3. I do know it tends to make computers "slower". At least that's what I hear from my PC gaming friends. I only play consoles, with regular PC usage I don't notice any problems.
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Post by User on Dec 10, 2008 5:21:31 GMT -5
Windows XP doesn't suck. It is without a doubt the best OS ever concieved. It's not the OS that's at fault - it's the user. Mac OS X is a nice OS, but not an option for expert users. It's simply too lacking (both in first and third party features).
Neither, however, should never be paid for. Don't support death.
Windows Vista (and 7), on the other hand... now that's something that sucks. It is objectively a bad OS.
By the way, XP SP3 is more or less just a package of security updates (that are available for SP2, but in seperate). It's not something that will ruin your computer. Again, if somebody's experiencing troubles, it's either caused by the user itself, or faulty hardware.
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Post by Yakra on Dec 10, 2008 10:44:24 GMT -5
I've actually found SP3 to be better. I finally ended up installing that some months back? And it pretty much ironed out all the problems I was having with SP2, in particular, made Ys I.II Complete playable. I'm not sure if my 'fast video' problem had anything to do with SP2, but I do remember reading somewhere that Microsoft had messed up with the compatibility of something, with the something within certain Dual Core CPUs? ...........Ok, so I've pretty much forgotten what it was (as usual!), but it kind of applied to me. -____-' SP3 seems to have fixed all that. Infact, the only reason it might ever even slow down for me now and act a wee bit strange is probably because I ended up installing Photoshop CS3 like a fool.  (Too heavy!  ) |
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Post by id1948 on Dec 10, 2008 15:28:08 GMT -5
Windows XP doesn't suck. It is without a doubt the best OS ever concieved. Are you serious ?!? Haven't you ever used Windows 2000 ?? THAT was the best windows ever concieved. For so many reasons. But I did experience the speed problems too with XP SP3 - as soon as I went back to SP2 everything seemed twice as fast. And Windows 7 - sucks ? It isn't anywhere near to being on a retail shelf yet. If you're talking about the betas or test releases (not sure WHAT stage it's at), well I would never trust an incomplete software package anyway. |
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Post by AllenSmithee on Dec 10, 2008 16:39:12 GMT -5
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Post by rocket on Dec 10, 2008 16:44:22 GMT -5
Windows XP doesn't suck. It is without a doubt the best OS ever concieved. Are you serious ?!? Haven't you ever used Windows 2000 ?? THAT was the best windows ever concieved. For so many reasons. But I did experience the speed problems too with XP SP3 - as soon as I went back to SP2 everything seemed twice as fast. And Windows 7 - sucks ? It isn't anywhere near to being on a retail shelf yet. If you're talking about the betas or test releases (not sure WHAT stage it's at), well I would never trust an incomplete software package anyway. windows 2000 and windows xp are the same OS windows 2000 is windows nt 5.0 windows xp is windows nt 5.1 basically the gui was one of the major updates and wireless connections were another major update. xp sp2 is the most reliable version of xp. there are various degrees of issues with firewalls and virus softwares for xp3 xp3 is great for dual cores, quad cores and other newer cpus using multiple processors. xpsp2 was written for p4 and amd x2 area does a great job with these processors and works well with the newer processors also. |
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Post by id1948 on Dec 10, 2008 16:54:57 GMT -5
There's another issue that I've just noticed (everyone would agree - a very important issue) -
I used to be able to run all Windows Ys at full frame rate at my monitor's native resolution (1920x1200). Recently I found that the graphics were skipping frames, and it puzzled the snot out of me.
Given what we're discussing here I just now thought "I wonder if..." - and it appears I was right - after going back to SP2 all the Ys games run at full speed again!
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Post by Incog Neato on Dec 12, 2008 17:55:52 GMT -5
Oh, is SP3 the reason I can't update my goddamn sound card drivers and software without Windoze bluescreening to kingdom come?
Never in my life have I ever seen Windows (any version) get the BSOD as much as I did yesterday.
I was seriously wondering what was wrong considering that I've gotten newer drivers in the past without issue.
Ah well. Since the sound card works with the original ancient stuff, I'll hang back from attempting to get the new ones.
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Post by Justin on Dec 13, 2008 16:11:21 GMT -5
So far I don't mind the update, except for the initial install. I lost my network connections, and a few other "standard" programs. I had to grab some patch, hook my PSP up to my comp, let it do its magic, and then things were ok. If I didn't have a second computer though, I would have been screwed. Great to see Micro$hit works all the bugs out of its new major upgrades.
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Post by Musa-Revived on Dec 13, 2008 22:59:38 GMT -5
Never used SP3, in work we're using SP2.
At home I'm using Vista 32 and no complaints so far.
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Post by psybuster on Dec 14, 2008 20:28:25 GMT -5
If by sound card you guys mean peripheral ones that aren't onboard, it's pretty common knowledge that the drivers for them are finicky as hell, especially Creative's drivers, but also Asus, Razer. I think I've only NOT run into problems with HT Omega, but I have no idea how much they've changed their drivers from the reference provided by CMI.
XP3 works fine for me.
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Post by Varion on Dec 17, 2008 20:14:19 GMT -5
SP3 was pointless. SP2 worked fine already.
My laptop came with Vista and I somehow managed to stick with it, though I rarely use it since installing the Windows 7 pre-beta on my second partition. Takes up less HD space, is significantly faster, and I love most of the new features. Will definitely be using this as my primary OS when it's done... though I kind of am already.
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Strange time to make this thread. 
(Too heavy! 
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