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[Ascended Mermaid]

*nods* Sounds great! I'll be around!

[Mutagene]

Feb 9, 2010 22:54:35 GMT -5 pisj05 said:

o... acaso no me equivoco? que tiene mas prioridad... la diversion o la tortura fatidica y sadica de la triste escuela? jajajaja

Creo que eso es para que usted decida usted mismo. Yo, personalmente optó por la primera, pero... no estoy demasiado contento con esa decisión.

... wow, I sound awkward.

[ausdoerrt]

@op: If you wanna play properly, get a teacher or something, will make learning a lot faster. Plus, if you don't get the basics right, it will screw you over in unimaginable ways later on. If you want to play well, that is. But warning, it'll take a few years.

If you just want to play like the Screamer, I guess you could teach yourself, but it's really hard to describe all the ways in which his playing is wrong so that even audio-editing can't correct it. Not to mention inaccurate transcribing of songs. Ohwell.

Anyhowz, welcome to the forum and have fun. Good luck on your endeavor

[ausdoerrt]

Consider me a prick if you will. I received a classical music education so I have a different attitude to music. Screamer is pretty good for a self-taught violinist, although not nearly as good as some others I've heard on youtube; naturally, he doesn't even come into comparison with professionals. My policy is, if you can't play something well, if it's too difficult for you, don't bother and go back to the basics first.

I can only recommend that you listen to more violinists before you make your decision... JDK Band's old violins were quite bad too, although the new girl I saw in their recent concert video is pretty good.

But still, as far as I'm concerned, Internet fame is worth nothing, because it's a place where more people know who Kanye West is than, for example, Leonid Kogan. Still, the first will be all but forgotten in 50 years, but I'm quite sure the records of the second will be passed down through generations and admired by people several hundred years from now.


I'll leave a few for reference.

v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMzY2MjI1MDg=.html
v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNDg2MjMwNjg=.html

v.youku.com/v_show/id_XODE5MzU3NDg=.html
v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMTExODgxMDAw.html

v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMTExODgwOTY4.html

[ausdoerrt]

Nonono, those guys aren't just "technically talented". For what it's worth, a monkey could be taught notes and technique. Playing a technically difficult piece is easy - you just need a lot of time on your hands. Making MUSIC out of it is what's wondrous. However, if you fail to see good musicianship where it's at, I cannot help you.

I also don't exactly feel "cursed" for understanding music a bit better more like a blessing. Music is given too little credit these days, making it "catchy" and "accessible" while its true value likes on a deeper level.

[ausdoerrt]

There's a lot more to choose from, too.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sturgeon's_Law

I'm sure there is

You're basically missing out on the irreplaceable experience of having music move you to the core. Also, I can't but laugh at anyone who says that the classical music isn't catchy/memorable. It's so popular exactly because it IS.

[ausdoerrt]

Well, I still enjoy popular music for what it's worth. Although the criteria are somewhat different. I also lean to genres that allow more room for creativity and genuine live performance, like metal, maybe folk, etc. You know, just music w/o most of the "show business" crap. Anyhow, I find that music education expands your horizons rather than otherwise. I also don't find great classics the little bit outdated, be it in literature, music or film.

Once again, I'm not saying Screamer is BAD - but really, he's made his name as an amateur violinist on Nico, the "amateur" part somehow adding to che charm for some people, I guess. But from an absolute standpoint he's got a lot to work on - especially the bow hand, which is too stiff and the sound too shallow; from a musical standpoint he opts for the open strings a bit too often (esp. open E which doesn't sound very nice, plus the transcriptions of the songs aren't always very accurate - look no further than Valestein castle, where he changes the harmony to sth entirely different because it's a bit uncomfortable to play (violin isn't always exactly the easiest instrument to cover guitar songs on). But I mean, I still applaud him for the effort, and for covering the songs he likes, which is really cool. And good for him to be able to make money off that, too, I wish I could do that - or maybe not, otherwise I'd go to a conservatoire not a liberal arts college.

[ausdoerrt]

Weeelllll, one of us here has perfect pitch, and if he hears a D-natural where a D-sharp should be, he no likey

I also have to admit it's personal (sort of) because I spent an extra half an hour to make up and learn fingering for that one spot

[pisj05]

Feb 10, 2010 8:41:34 GMT -5 Mutagene said:

Feb 9, 2010 22:54:35 GMT -5 pisj05 said:

o... acaso no me equivoco? que tiene mas prioridad... la diversion o la tortura fatidica y sadica de la triste escuela? jajajaja

Creo que eso es para que usted decida usted mismo. Yo, personalmente optó por la primera, pero... no estoy demasiado contento con esa decisión.

... wow, I sound awkward.

jajajajajaja really that comment made me laugh like 10 minutes without stopping, you remind me one of my special moments in my life: when i saw for first time german friend in my classroom *exchange program, and it's very funny to see someone unexperienced in a languaje trying to get better and better to master it, aunque pensandolo bien... al igual yo batallo con el ingles, lol, asi que no me quejo, mejor sigamos intentando

[pisj05]

Feb 10, 2010 12:08:41 GMT -5 ausdoerrt said:

Weeelllll, one of us here has perfect pitch, and if he hears a D-natural where a D-sharp should be, he no likey

I also have to admit it's personal (sort of) because I spent an extra half an hour to make up and learn fingering for that one spot

Hey bro take your horses, everyone has differents musical tastes, i don't really mind if you want to be a mozart or someone like jim morrison, but when i saw the sceamer i didn't choose that style of music for the fame or publicity, i choose this kind of musical path for the entertainment, is like if i said that i just want to be a musician to be famous, or be an important architect just for money... No it's not like that, im sure about the differents ideals of the people and those things are worthy of my respect... and do what you think necesary to reach your goals but don't interfere and change the way of thinking of all the persons who live near of you just for fun or your convenience.
Sorry if i sound like a dumbass or whatever you want think, but i still learning this languaje and im trying to improve it the best can... see ya' later

[Mutagene]

Well, I've barely practiced Spanish at all, and using very poor methods, and that, combined with the fact that I'm taking French in school, is my safety cushion/excuse. Also, goldfish have better memories than I do, and mine seems to only be getting worse. Along with my eyesight and hearing.

OLD MAN SYNDROME HAS TAKEN ANOTHER VICTIM ;___;

[pisj05]

Ha! and you consider yourself a victim of that alzheimer syndrome, I don't even remember what do I do everyday, it's like if i tell you like i still like a zombie every saturday... really in my bizarre life exists days when I absolutely don't know what did i do or what happened to me... and to be honest one of those weird saturdays i woke up at the garage, doing what? i don't really know...

[ausdoerrt]

There's tastes and there's skill; first is subjective, second is objective. For example, I may not like Hendrix' music style, but I certainly admire his for the skill. If you have enough skill to play Paganini concertos well (not that many people can do it, but to take an extreme example), then not only will Falcom music seem a walk in the park to play, but you're also likely to perform it heaps better. Get to a level somewhere in between a total amateur and a professional virtuoso, and I'd say that's the point at which you can enjoy most music without having to deal with too many technical limitations.

All I'm saying is, learning an instrument systematically enables you to play a lot better in the end, i.e. hours spent on scales, arpeggios and etudes pay off tenfold, since that's what all the music is built on anyway. The question is only how good you want to be and how much time you want to invest. Systematic, or "classic" musical education, if you will, is what I'd personally recommend to anyone serious about learning to play violin well. So, I'm not criticizing your choice of style (for what it's worth, I enjoy playing Ys songs once in a while, too) but rather suggesting a way of getting there.

[Ascended Mermaid]

Feb 10, 2010 12:08:41 GMT -5 ausdoerrt said:

I also have to admit it's personal (sort of) because I spent an extra half an hour to make up and learn fingering for that one spot

XD *snicker-snort*

Sincerely,
Maggot

[sushi]

Trust Maggot to. xD

[Ascended Mermaid]

>w< I wanna make up and learn fingering for that one spot, too!

It's been how many years now?! X3

[Mutagene]

You can't remember the last time you masturbated? D8

[Ascended Mermaid]

Lol! That's not exactly what I meant, but then again, I kinda walked right into that one.

XD And yeah, no scaring the newbie... got it! You must admit that was a pretty unfortunate thing to write! Music-related jokes are always the best! X)

[pisj05]

Lol trying to scare me hahaha with all respect there are so many things that make me feel bad, so go ahead, even if i don't understand that joke about the fingering... i don't even care hahaha but i must admit one thing... what is about that joke... pervert things?, obviously im entring to the "other" world seeing the obscure side of the life? ...lol this ambiene really looks fun it's just entertaining! seeing people discussing sometimes make us realize about differents perspectives of the life and that's all that I've for now.
Don't worry wyrdwad let's see how far everyone can get this.

[Ascended Mermaid]

Well, there's fingering the strings of a guitar, and then there's fingering...

Suddenly I don't feel so comfortable describing this, haha! It's like you have virgin ears or something.

Alright, well, "fingering". ...

Yeah, I'm completely squeamish. Someone else would have to describe it for you, lol.