Last time realize videogames stopped being fun?

[regalsin]

Okay, okay you all remember how when we were children, and maybe young. We would get gifts, cards filled with money, and of course clothing around the holidays. Then when you finally got to the umber phay cewl present, your eyes lite up and started to scream. That cewl present for the most of us, was videogames.

I was just thinking about how much of a loser I am back in 2000, and I was in my mid teens, and for the first time, in all my years playing videogames, I never had that happy holiday feeling.

You know the surge of knowing you will be getting something exciting. Instead you open up, a present
to find Hey you pikachu. That is right, I was into the pokemon.

From red to blue, and even imported the god forsaken yellow, that blah blah. I was what you would call a fanboy. Like the blind trooper I was, going around the place supporting Nintendo like a Naszi, instead having sex with two women at one time. I mean what was I thinking, No I was not thinking, I was just the little happy go consumer, and then I had to read the article on pokemon, and fell in love with Jessie, and James black rocket outfits. The flat fact is this.

I recieved a christmas present, I played and I was not happy. Not for the longest time, until I got my GCN with SSBMelee. Then all the way to RE4, I finally gave up on 3D games and just started to go backwards.

Now more then ever, I see the more recent stuff, and I say this is just a pile of plastic crap, not gold. If I got a newest game out there in one of those extra dorkfuritwaddodoododoo flat, flimsy, extra flat on paper, flat boxes, I ask myself, Where is the rest of packaging?.
Then I turn on the screen to see this umbr 3d, while nice, is not really that big a difference compared to a PC game from 1994 years. I feel ten times happier with my next to nothing KB games, then with any 60TB blu-ray rubbish.

So this thought just crossed my mind. Me getting hey you pikachu, and not being excitied. So when was the last time you ever had a game, and felt like, What??

There was other times like with

Hybrid Heavan
Dinosaur Planet
Megaman Legends

When I just felt dissapointed, at that particular point in time.

IF I could, I would go back in time to 1994, kick my but and make me flip over, then break my N64 over my knee, or burn all my Nintendo stuff, then tri-slap my face with an "how to program assembler" book, or bible, or even a porno magazine. Then save myself the horror of opening "Hey you pikachu" on Christmas morning.

[Disgaeamad]

Nov 6, 2010 7:26:58 GMT -5 regalsin said:

Okay, okay you all remember how when we were children, and maybe young.

Stopped reading here. regalsin you are too good to be true.

[sushi]

oh darling Regis

[cronorei]

>children
>maybe young

Can you be a child and not young?

[Incog Neato]

SO HEY, PROBOARDS. HOW ABOUT THAT IGNORE USER FEATURE?

....... Actually, I didn't even read the topic post. XD Just felt like posting because I've yet to realize that video games are not fun.

In fact, they've only gotten MORE fun to me and I really only began video gaming during the PlayStation era even though I'm old enough to have been gaming through the NES one. I was too busy having fun times with the Commodore 64 and PC games then.

[Rebel40000]

Nov 6, 2010 7:26:58 GMT -5 regalsin said:

Like the blind trooper I was, going around the place supporting Nintendo like a Naszi, instead having sex with two women at one time.

Why would you wanna do that?

[Este]

One of my friends lost his virginity that way. That still blows my mind.

Anyway, I actually felt like that for a while. I was bored with my favorite titles and was looking for something good... that search went on for about a year or two until I found Ys. Now I like games more.

That sounds like how a bad relationship can make you loose confidence in people and then a good one fixes you back up... kind of lame but that's how it went for me.

[Raison D'etritus]

Regis, have you considered that your preference for older-style games may be influenced entirely by nostalgia, and that your idealizing them over modern games is a by-product of an idealized youth--meaning it's not the perceived quality of games which has diminished but the perceived quality of the environment in which such games are enjoyed (or not enjoyed). id est: your life.

Personally I don't think that the ratio of shit games to good ones has changed much. Just the NUMBER of games produced. The industry has swelled significantly, so like with movies, more sludge is churned out, but likewise more gems can be discovered. It just takes more digging.

Keep in mind that people who grow up with modern games are going to have the same sentiment for them that we have for earlier generations' games. Your reality is a product of your perception, but your perception is by no means an objective reality.

[Raison D'etritus]

Unsurprisingly, we disagree. I think this is just a matter of perspective, so I don't want to turn it into a lengthy debate (especially if that entails my words being twisted around and their meanings changed). But I will go ahead and give my own perspectival opinion, and let's just agree that we're both right.

Anyway, I see it to the contrary. It seems to me that innovation has become too important in the gaming industry, as professional reviewers no longer rate games by fun, but by creativity. Yes there are still slews of God of War clones and mimicry shovelware spewed out non-stop, but there were slews of sidescrolling platform brawlers back in the day as well.

To me, things just seemed more original back then because of the lesser number of them, the relative youth of the industry as a whole, and of course, our own capacity, as children, for abstraction. Back then a clone would seem horribly original when it spliced in something from a different genre, because it wasn't something we'd seen, and even though we HAD seen it, we'd never seen it in THIS context, which made it seem new. Now we can recognize that there are no original thoughts, and we can identify innovations as borrowed by some other inspiration. So in effect, they're no longer new simply because they're no longer new to us.

Personally, as a kid I was happy playing tons of RPGs with identical battle systems, just for a "new" story (which were usually inspired by TV, movies, books, rather than other games, as is now the case), but now the stories in games seem weak while each and every RPG has to have tons of bells and whistles, complex action control ring stem hyper linking quasi hydrolic rapid motion systems, and QTEs, and non-RPGs have to have fancy new ways to employ motion control.

In fact some of the bigger names (SQUEENIX) have become Madonna and Britney Spears by constantly reinventing themselves to stay in the spotlight. Look at FFXIII. New, yes. Innovative, yes. A quality game? In my opinion, no.

Therefore, I don't necessarily see innovation as a good measure for the quality of a game, and while I think many great games are still being made, its more often by the people who ARE'NT trying too hard to be original.

And for those who have made it this far: isn't it ironic that Regis' absurd threads keep becoming legitimized into intelligent discussions?

[Raison D'etritus]

I didn't use the word "innovative" -- what I said was "appreciably unique."

My apologies. I intended "innovation" as indicative of inherent uniqueness, and meant it as synonymous. Sorry if it seems I mistook you, or altered your meaning in any way.

quality old-school games tended to have more often than new-school games is SOUL

That is a very good point. The larger the teams working on a project, the less it's going to seem like a labor of love and the more it's going to seem like labor. And capitalism has killed more than just good games, I assure you.

Aside from those small companies still in existence, I think the best ones are those whose heads have a lot of creative intention toward their works. That's one of the reasons I love Monolith Soft so much, as Tetsuya Takahashi is famous for putting a lot of love into his creations (and thus putting out unfinished games because of his inability to keep up with deadlines).

Such companies do seem increasingly rare, but, thank God, they do still exist!

[Ascended Mermaid]

Pixel and Nifflas (now Nicalis Inc.) are also prime examples! Granted, Nicalis was off to a shaky start, but they're coming around -- and I think they have everything it takes! Granted, their fans will always be impatient, and some staff may not have the best bedside manner ("people bitching about the music"), they at least *listen* to their fanbase, they fix what needs fixing, and they continue to improve the quality of their work!

// I've come to realize that I'm the genie of the lamp. I need to stop using "granted" in every sentence!

[Raison D'etritus]

// I've come to realize that I'm the genie of the lamp. I need to stop using "granted" in every sentence!

You do use it a lot.
Granted, so do I.

Mistwalker

Actually, I never heard of them before, though we ALL know the name Hironobu Sakaguchi. Looked them up, and incedentally, ASH is on my Jap Game list, and Lost Odyssey is one of the games I really want to play on the 360.

There seems to be a major trend of great minds leaving Square. . . wonder whyever that could be. . .