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[lailmith]

Mar 5, 2012 9:26:39 GMT -5 Ascended Mermaid said:

I don't understand why people don't understand why everyone has their own opinion.

Understanding why people have their own opinion is freaking difficult. Since some people have opinions that are just so "wrong" and understanding "the reason" behind that "wrong" opinion is almost impossible unless they tell the reason - and even still the "wrong" opinion doesn't seem to make any sense at some cases and understanding is hard.

And this was completely offtopic. It has nothing to do with this thread or people in this forum. Just to make things clear

[Ascended Mermaid]

// In an attempt to regain credibility as a red person and bring harmony to this discussion, let's rewind and try this again. *ahem*

As this topic was initially about Sora no Kiseki / Trails in the Sky, I will suggestively respond in a way that is on-topic.

I speculate that XSEED going to Steam would possibly entail any PC releases by Falcom, not excluding Sora no Kiseki / Trails in the Sky, which could possibly entail either both PC and PSP releases in English, or a move to PC releases. That would be awesome, and would definitely be a work-around for any issues involving the PSP becoming obsolete due to the release of the PS Vita!

*nods* ^_^; There's nothing wrong with a bit of off topic discussion -- and yes, I could've worded my response a little bit better. While understanding why has its own importance, just understanding the simple fact that we all have an opinion is much less challenging.

I disagree. It was a response written to relax a seemingly tense discussion, but due to a poor choice in formulating my response, it sprouted an off-topic discussion which I am taking part in and continuing as I write this response.

// *facepalm* It's 8:50 AM, so I'm not even fully awake, coherent, and lack a certain ability in regards to logical reasoning and understanding. You weren't talking about what I said at all.

As a red person, I have failed you.

[lailmith]

^Hmm.. Now I'm not sure if I understood your post at all lol. You disagree with what?

Yeah, we all have our opinions. But is it wise to just say "I have my opinion and you have yours." and just stop the conversation there? I don't know. Does it lead anywhere or does it lead to better result. As I said, I don't know.

P.s. red person using red text is scary.

[Ascended Mermaid]

I disagreed that this was off topic; having misinterpreted it as a statement that I was off topic -- which I already am.

That is a highly philosophical question. I would say that there are benefits to both, but a professional (general workplace) suggestion would be to accept, taking caution as an exploration of opinions could lead to unsatisfactory results. I'm sure this varies from person to person, as someone may be skilled in exploring the opinions of others without adversity. The benefits vary, from educational purposes to understanding another person, therefore improving future communication.

I try not to be scary, but I have my moments.

[RyuKisargi]

You lot must think the PSP is the greatest system ever because it has gotten a few Ys remakes.

The PC would be a PERFECT medium for the newer Ys series, and the recent remakes and such of Ys Origin, Ys VI, Ys OiF, and a few other Falcom titles such as Xanadu next show this. I'm actually quite disappointed that the PC translation of Trails stopped, and it doesn't seem like XSEED is going to go further with the series. I hope the original group will eventually make the translation available, once the year is out or something.

[yotaka]

Mar 5, 2012 15:00:48 GMT -5 RyuKisargi said:

You lot must think the PSP is the greatest system ever because it has gotten a few Ys remakes.

And Ys Seven, and Zero and Ao (and eventually Nayuta) no Kiseki. Face it, for a Falcom fan the PSP is the greatest system ever right now.

The PC would be a PERFECT medium for the newer Ys series, and the recent remakes and such of Ys Origin, Ys VI, Ys OiF, and a few other Falcom titles such as Xanadu next show this.

Did you forget the fact that Falcom shifted away from the PC because it stopped being profitable? It doesn't matter how great it would have been or how much anyone moans and groans, the fact is that it's over. RIP Falcom PC games, you had a good run but it's time to move on.

I'm actually quite disappointed that the PC translation of Trails stopped, and it doesn't seem like XSEED is going to go further with the series.

You haven't played SC, have you? XSEED hasn't said anything because there's nothing to say when you're slogging through a 3 million character script other than 'yeah, we're chipping away at it' which is exactly what Wyrd has said every time someone brings the point up. Silence doesn't mean they've given up; have a bit of faith.

[Este]

Didn't Falcom just move away from the PC market? Ys Seven was literally the first Ys game off of the PC. How would moving back there help them? Keep in mind currently most of their sales are still to the Japanese market. I don't think Steam is the be-all-end-all there yet.

[lailmith]

Yea yea. And if Falcom would drop other platforms and start making only iPhone apps - iPhone would be the greatest system for Falcom fan. Yes.



For Ys fan PC is the greatest system ever. Ys Origin, Ys VI, Ys OiF, Ys Complete.

And with Xanadu Next, SnK, Gurumin, Zwei and many others - one could say PC is the greatest system ever for Falcom fan.

[Ascended Mermaid]

Mar 5, 2012 18:39:37 GMT -5 Este said:

Didn't Falcom just move away from the PC market? Ys Seven was literally the first Ys game off of the PC. How would moving back there help them? Keep in mind currently most of their sales are still to the Japanese market. I don't think Steam is the be-all-end-all there yet.

Whether or not you agree, XSEED is going to Steam, and a lot of Falcom products are already on there, not excluding LoH/TitS. This does not prevent XSEED from releasing any of Falcom's work, regardless of age, as opposed to the PSP, which does (as it has become obsolete, and will fade like the rest of the last-gen systems).

[Albert 'Dalles' Wesker]

Thing is, let's face it: PC > Consoles as far as longevity goes.

It took Vista and Seven to sever the compatibility chain for most games (including older Falcom titles) but even then there are bypass methods for that, such as dosboxes, virtual machines, or various system tweaks that will allow older titles to run. Newer titles will continue to run as long as system software is kept up to date.

As far as consoles go: you won't get Celceta: Sea of Trees or any other future games on PSP once Falcom fully embraces Vita and when Vita is succeeded by another platform, it will also decline. Which means you'll probably just get a couple games and be forced to move to another platform (a very expensive action it is for most normal people, not rich kids with reven richer parents).

On PC your hardware will mostly remain the same in order to run Falcom products, since Falcom never embraced and probably never will, a true high-definition 3D engine that pushes PCs to their limits. So, what's the cheaper choice for a gamer? PC, of course.

[reymon698]

Mar 5, 2012 20:21:57 GMT -5 Albert 'Dalles' Wesker said:

On PC your hardware will mostly remain the same in order to run Falcom products, since Falcom never embraced and probably never will, a true high-definition 3D engine that pushes PCs to their limits. So, what's the cheaper choice for a gamer? PC, of course.

At least it doesnt look like for the moment, Celceta Sea of Tress doesnt look so diferent from Ys Seven, only more smooth models.

But very agree with you Wesker.

[yotaka]

I'm still just hearing 'Wah wah wah, Falcom isn't developing for my platform of choice and my entitlement complex isn't being satisfied'. Falcom doesn't care that you prefer PC gaming. They stopped doing that because it stopped working for them. They're a business and are allowed to make decisions based on financial realities rather than the wishes of a small subset of their fans. Any and all arguments about cost and how it would be cheaper for you or for gamers generally if they stuck with the PC are irrelevant. You are not their target market, the Japanese public is. They've chosen as a class to embrace consoles and are willing to buy new ones as necessary.

[Ranzor]

Let's just hope Steam gets big in Japan, so they can get back to making PC versions.

[Albert 'Dalles' Wesker]

*smacks yotaka's face for defacto calling me a 'baby'

Listen up. And listen up closely. What you call an 'entitlement complex' has already changed several companies' behavior in the past because loud voicing of such opinions caused their staff to switch their views. Let's give actual examples of such situations:

2K Games -- BioShock 2 'Protector Trials' and 'Minerva's Den' -- originally cancelled for PC, were eventually released due to massive outcry.
Remedy -- Alan Wake, for 2 years was an XBOX360 exclusive. Brought to PC after 2 years because Remedy's fans have voiced their opinion on the matter and Remedy saw the point of doing so.
Diablo III -- being in preparation for consoles due to clear signals that not only PC players wish to play this. Blizzard wouldn't consider that otherwise and they have little experience in console market (Diablo I, Warcraft II and Lost Vikings are probably the only console-available titles out of their entire library if I recall correctly).

So stop disrespecting people who voice negative opinions on a console-exclusive (or a PC-exclusive) game and compare them to crying babies. You're quite clearly being insultive here and I've had enough.

I will report your behavior to the authorities, this discussion is far from being civil due to your disrespect. Displaying one's anger is one thing, going to insults is quite a different question altogether.

[Ascended Mermaid]

That is harsh but true, yotaka. Still, I do look forward to whatever XSEED is planning for Steam. For all I know, this is the very issue that they're attempting to resolve; that is, a remedy for alienated gamers. No, I don't personally believe that Falcom will go back to PC, because I do believe you're right -- but it would help alleviate some of the backlash from the US gamers.

// Yes, the "Wah wah wah" was a little too much. I'd hate to speak up, but we are a little short in help and I do have to pick up a bit of slack -- so don't take this personally. I would be extremely grateful and appreciative (you'd be doing me a huge favor) if you could withdraw from making derisive statements. Don't make me beg. D:

[Albert 'Dalles' Wesker]

Oh...

It seems I was late with my PM. Thanks for the intervention =D

[knightofancient]

Mar 5, 2012 21:23:11 GMT -5 Albert 'Dalles' Wesker said:

*smacks yotaka's face for defacto calling me a 'baby'

Listen up. And listen up closely. What you call an 'entitlement complex' has already changed several companies' behavior in the past because loud voicing of such opinions caused their staff to switch their views. Let's give actual examples of such situations:

2K Games -- BioShock 2 'Protector Trials' and 'Minerva's Den' -- originally cancelled for PC, were eventually released due to massive outcry.
Remedy -- Alan Wake, for 2 years was an XBOX360 exclusive. Brought to PC after 2 years because Remedy's fans have voiced their opinion on the matter and Remedy saw the point of doing so.
Diablo III -- being in preparation for consoles due to clear signals that not only PC players wish to play this. Blizzard wouldn't consider that otherwise and they have little experience in console market (Diablo I, Warcraft II and Lost Vikings are probably the only console-available titles out of their entire library if I recall correctly).

So stop disrespecting people who voice negative opinions on a console-exclusive (or a PC-exclusive) game and compare them to crying babies. You're quite clearly being insultive here and I've had enough.

I will report your behavior to the authorities, this discussion is far from being civil due to your disrespect. Displaying one's anger is one thing, going to insults is quite a different question altogether.

Get realistic here and yes I SAID IT, that argument that they will change due to your example that 2k games changed has no relevance when it comes to Falcom.

Falcom has stated in multiple interviews with siliconera that they primarily focus on the Japanese market when developing games, not the EU or the North American market. Similar to what Yotaka stated in a post before me.

Regarding Falcom and Vita since you mentioned it in previous posts. The PSP is still big in Japan, I dont see them continue to develope games for Vita constantly in a couple years. By that time Vita has gotten a price drop.

Getting all riled up about Falcom abandoning PC is in vain, there is nothing you, I or anyone on this board including XSEED can do regarding Falcom's decision. The only hope is for XSEED deciding to bring PREVIOUS Falcom games before Ys Seven on steam, thats it.

[Ascended Mermaid]

You knit the hail on the Ned. The best we can do is wait and see. There is no promise of future Falcom games coming to the PC, just the possibility of the ones that they have already released. We're stuck to portables -- but that's not so bad, as the PSP has TV-out. The big question I have is... will the Vita have TV-out? Not a big big deal to me, but I'm still curious anyway. As for Steam, anyone can speculate (as I've done several times) -- but the best thing to do is to wait and see. For all I know, by guessing, anticipating, and so on and so forth, it might put XSEED in the hot seat, you know? That isn't to say that they'd be in trouble, per se, just that we'd be disappointed if we were wrong. I'm prepared to lower my expectations.

// We're all getting riled for reasons that I do understand. What I as a moderator would like to see more than anything right now, is a level of peace and comfort -- no party excluded, and no "holier than thou" speech. Just some cooperation. What I see is a lot of "he / she keeps saying this, and it's getting on my nerves. The appropriate response is to escalate, let my emotions get the best of me, and stubbornly attempt to control the situation using my emotions to get what I want from the other person." -- and I do understand where you're coming from, and while a lot of people share the common belief that such a line of communication is the most effective, I personally believe that there are better ways to communicate with one another, and that this is not the time or place for such derisive communication. I hate having to be the mediator, because frankly, I'm none too great at it. Psychology gives me aneurysms. What would please me more than anything in the world, though, is to see you guys take a breather. Just relax, and tackle the subject at a later time. I don't want this to get out of hand. Hopefully you can all see that this is the "moderator" speaking, and not myself personally. I'm not doing this to take sides or boost my ego or delusions of grandeur, et cetera, but to do my volunteer "work" (as this is becoming more of a job to me than an actual hobby) as your moderator.

[yotaka]

For the sake of the Unsavory one I'll refrain from calling your arguments that in the future. However, I still maintain that your complaint against Falcom (and against console exclusives in general) stems from a completely unrealistic view of the situation and that your specific argument is flawed. Should Steam take off in Japan and it become viable for Falcom to rebuild its PC development team I'll concede that you have a point. Should you be able to find a Japanese company that shifted platforms to one that is not financially viable because of complaints from a tertiary market, I will concede that you have a point. knightofancient otherwise said what I would have so I'm willing to let the matter stand here.

[knightofancient]

Sadly Vita doesnt have TV output.