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Post by Ascended Mermaid on Mar 6, 2012 1:02:02 GMT -5
Thank you, yotaka. I sincerely mean that.  Should further assistance be needed, I'll be shifting gears and taking a breather (just a short one) -- real life comes first. // Ah, thanks knightofancient. Not that it makes a whole lot of sense, but I kind of suspected. In theory, it would still be entirely possible -- I guess they probably didn't want to fuss with alternatives for the touch screen and touch pad, eh? Well, whether or not Vita ends up being as hackable as the PSP, I'm still in. Who knows, one day they could perfect RemoteJoy for Vita. They can't hide behind the TV-out excuse anymore -- or at least, not for this "model" of the Vita. |
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Post by Este on Mar 6, 2012 7:50:36 GMT -5
Didn't Falcom just move away from the PC market? Ys Seven was literally the first Ys game off of the PC. How would moving back there help them? Keep in mind currently most of their sales are still to the Japanese market. I don't think Steam is the be-all-end-all there yet. Whether or not you agree, XSEED is going to Steam, and a lot of Falcom products are already on there, not excluding LoH/TitS. This does not prevent XSEED from releasing any of Falcom's work, regardless of age, as opposed to the PSP, which does (as it has become obsolete, and will fade like the rest of the last-gen systems). No no, no complaints there. The more Falcom, the better as far as I'm concerned. It's just... didn't we have this whole conversation like a year or 2 ago? I seem to recall a long discussion about the reasons Falcom discontinued development for the PC. And, if I recall everyone was a little bummed that they chose the PSP as their go-to system, but in the end most people got behind Falcom and continued to support them. And, if I could make a plug for Sony handlehelds, most everyone is pretty happy with the PSP experience thus far. I remember being pleasantly surprised with the PSP. |
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Post by Albert 'Dalles' Wesker on Mar 6, 2012 8:33:36 GMT -5
First of all, I'd like to apologize for going out of hand due to stress. This should not have happened. Yes, I do apologize also Yotaka, Knight and Este among others. Difference of opinions does not mean I can lash out, or retaliate for lashing out.
However, I still stand by my point that at rare times companies can reconsider their choice for devoting themselves exclusively to a given platform if critical opinions are voiced. The examples I gave are of American or European companies, but console vs PC 'wars' have a global range. Everywhere, consoles become more and more popular than PCs in certain circles, but still there is a group of players that also grows in numbers, and those players prefer computers as their entertainment platform.
But to the point: Most of times companies don't listen to players in regards of console exclusivity of a product. I am no naive kid, I know that chances of them changing their mind are slim, but sometimes stuff happens.
Look at 2K Games' example. The PC DLCs for BioShock 2 were cancelled for purely 'technical' reasons or so they said. Of course the fans lashed out and they were WAY LESS CIVIL than I was over here. And guess what: both add-ons are on GFWL.
Look at Remedy's example. Here matters were way more complicated, due to the specific contract with Microsoft that enforced them to make Alan Wake an X360 exclusive. And Eidos had the same situation with the DLCs for Tomb Raider Underworld. The basic difference between the two companies is that Remedy went over the trouble of negotiating with Microsoft and Eidos did not. I guess it depends on the attitude to the players: Remedy decided to come forth and listen to PC players whereas Eidos chose otherwise. So, sometimes companies do listen.
With Falcom it MAY be the case, but only time will tell, I guess. And the same is with XSEED and whatever they're brewing for eventual Steam release. However... we can be sure of ONE thing.
If we do not voice critical opinions about PSP or Vita exclusivity of a product, who will know some of us don't like it that way? Is anyone in Falcom or XSEED a bloody telepath or something? Will they know what's inside our heads?
NO!!!
So, if anyone of us wishes even a slight chance for things to change at some point... Speak. Up. Speak up here, write them emails, PMs and so on, and so on. Make sure you are heard. That's no. 1 condition. If we don't do that, we may as well do as Yotaka & co say and start checking the PSP / Vita prices.
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Post by Ascended Mermaid on Mar 6, 2012 9:17:58 GMT -5
No no, no complaints there. The more Falcom, the better as far as I'm concerned. It's just... didn't we have this whole conversation like a year or 2 ago? I seem to recall a long discussion about the reasons Falcom discontinued development for the PC. And, if I recall everyone was a little bummed that they chose the PSP as their go-to system, but in the end most people got behind Falcom and continued to support them. And, if I could make a plug for Sony handlehelds, most everyone is pretty happy with the PSP experience thus far. I remember being pleasantly surprised with the PSP. Hmmm... it does sound familiar. I was definitely happy with the PSP, even though the way I used mine wasn't in most cases how Sony had intended; boosted performance, with USB/display-out, playing my games with a PS2 controller, and enjoying some quality homebrew. If it weren't for the 2000 and 3000, who knows? Maybe RemoteJoyLite would've been finished. I'm actually interested in Bob's system, the nD, simply because it encourages open development -- something discouraged by the mainstream console and handheld markets. Regardless, even in its original state, the PSP was a decent handheld -- and I can't argue with that. It got as much use as, if not more than, my DS. |
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Post by lailmith on Mar 6, 2012 9:53:35 GMT -5
Yeah I think we did have the coversation a year or two ago. But that is not relevant at all. There are bunch of people who weren't here year or two ago. (Is there any statistics about this forum? Like messages per day, member growth etc?) And I think it is good if people say their opinions. Will it change anything? Probably not. But surely it can change a lot more than not saying a thing. So why shouldn't we voice critical opinions too?  Falcom has the right to make decissions. But so do we, we have the right to make our own decissions. Yes, PSP may be decent handheld. But. That is not really much for me. Handheld. I'm not really a fan of handhelds even though DS kanji dictionary has been nice. |
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Post by RyuKisargi on Mar 6, 2012 10:44:35 GMT -5
One thing I forgot to mention is that I had a problem with a really generic statement...
"You can just TV-out your PSP. Durr."
You can't "just" TV-out your PSP. You have to have a TV compatible with the COMPOSITE PSP cables for actual PSP gameplay. And that means you have to have a recent TV. (( Progressive-scan capable. )) I have one, but I know plenty of people who don't.
Sure, the cables are cheap (( Less than $5 if you look on Amazon or Ebay )) but even then, a lot of people that have PSPs aren't legal adults yet. Their parents may be draconian, not allowing them to hook up to the "Good TV" in the den or something.
My point is, don't just assume that anyone could just give their PSP a hookup.
I'm still gonna hold out for eventual Ys Steam titles. That'd be pretty cool, and Steam for me is a lot more viable than anything else.
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Post by Ascended Mermaid on Mar 6, 2012 11:22:01 GMT -5
As far as I understand, the 3000 does TV-out with Component cables as well. The 2000 only had such compatibility with movies, but not games. I can't honestly say that I've experienced it for myself, I'm really talking about something that I know little about -- but as far as I know, it won't output as full-screen. It'll fill maybe about 2/3rds of the screen. |
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Post by RyuKisargi on Mar 6, 2012 11:35:02 GMT -5
You mean with RCA. There are a few different kinds of official TV-out cables for the PSP 2000/3000. There's RCA cables, component cables, terminal cables, and even an svideo cable provided by Sony.
The only ones that offer PSP game-out without a modded PSP are the Component Cables and the Terminal cables, and at that, the TV has to offer progressive scan. I had a huge 42-inch TV with progressive that didn't allow for PSP out, even though it had component backs.
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Post by Ascended Mermaid on Mar 6, 2012 11:46:01 GMT -5
It turns out you are correct. The only way to achieve non-progressive scan compatible output is via a homebrew called FuSa. Otherwise, your output compatibility is limited to movies and PSX. Bummer!  |
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Post by Este on Mar 6, 2012 14:02:29 GMT -5
First of all, I'd like to apologize for going out of hand due to stress. This should not have happened. Yes, I do apologize also Yotaka, Knight and Este among others. Difference of opinions does not mean I can lash out, or retaliate for lashing out. Heh, I didn't realize you were annoyed with me, so no worries. XD Preach on. I think the chances of it working for Falcom or slim, but when things come together and the fans get what they want, it feels suuuuuuuper good. I remember writing XSEED to have them pick up Ys Seven. I don't know if fanmail helped that reality come about, but it certainly didn't hurt. Edit: That's not to say I won't buy a Vita. As soon as more info for YsC starts pouring out, I'm gonna pick one of those bad-boys up. |
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Post by RyuKisargi on Mar 6, 2012 16:33:48 GMT -5
It turns out you are correct. The only way to achieve non-progressive scan compatible output is via a homebrew called FuSa. Otherwise, your output compatibility is limited to movies and PSX. Bummer! And then FUSA isn't that great, either. I prefer the homebrew that lets you mirror your PSP to your monitor. |
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Post by Nalacakes on Mar 6, 2012 17:50:52 GMT -5
Personally I never really thought of the PSP screen as small. I guess growing up with a tiny ten inch TV in your bedroom will do that to you. :'D
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Post by schlagwerk on Mar 6, 2012 18:13:24 GMT -5
I think the first time I ever thought of a display as "too small", as in I felt like I was missing important details that affected my gameplay experience was when I played NES games on the 3DS
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Post by jdkluv on Mar 6, 2012 18:26:08 GMT -5
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Post by Ascended Mermaid on Mar 6, 2012 19:57:09 GMT -5
It turns out you are correct. The only way to achieve non-progressive scan compatible output is via a homebrew called FuSa. Otherwise, your output compatibility is limited to movies and PSX. Bummer! And then FUSA isn't that great, either. I prefer the homebrew that lets you mirror your PSP to your monitor. Really? I guess I'll have to read about the downsides of FuSa. It'd be a bummer if it were actually WORSE than RemoteJoy and RemoteJoyLite. Those were great, but they weren't perfect in the least. Occasional save screen freezing, certain games playing at less than optimal speed (Project Diva), certain games actually giving me a hard time to start up (Crisis Core -- freezing pretty much anywhere), etc. -- and I wasn't really in a position to switch between RJ/RJL/etc., either. I mean, mainly because I had difficulties with repairing my PSP. Not having an LCD is bad. |
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Post by Este on Mar 7, 2012 7:43:05 GMT -5
Well, you can click on English on the sidebar with the list of languages in order to get our version of the article... but I don't think they're the same. I tried putting the URL into google translate and it translated the page, but since I can't read Japanese, I don't know how good it is. It seems ok. |
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