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Post by Sinful on Jun 15, 2012 23:41:57 GMT -5
So yeah, I just got into the series via the PSP Y's Chronicles collection. And I have to say I was blown away! Felt good to finally get into another RPG, as for the longest time this has been a problem for me since I haven't even been able to finish the last couple of RPGs I've played. Yet this one I was glued to until the end. So here's hoping the other Y's games are just as good if not better. I'm also looking very forward to trying out other Falcom RPGs/SRPGs. Since I usually fall in love with certain developers if one of their games really grabs my attention. And the other Falcom games I've checked so fa sure look interesting. So yeah, a place for both Y's and Falcom games, where do I sign up?! Only thing I can say that needs to be known about me is that I hate spoilers. Otherwise, I may seem to push buttons from time to time, but that's just my nature it seems? No harm ever indented.  Oh, and much thanks for Century for leading me here after I exploded on another forum about how great Y's Chronicles was. (Psst; blame him if I piss you off   ) PS; is it possible for a mod to change my user name to start with a capital S? Must of missed the shift button? And I though I seen it with a capital? |
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Post by Red Hairdo on Jun 16, 2012 0:41:52 GMT -5
Welcome!  You came into the right place! Also, regarding your username, as I answered another person before in a PM: If you need anything else, let us know. And, the Ys series is great. Falcom makes OUTSTANDING RPGs and Action RPGs. (The closest to SRPG that they made would be Vantage Master, but that's more like "SRPG without the RPG".) Another Ys game that makes use of Ys I and Ys II's engine is Ys IV, which unlike those former 2, it hasn't been remade yet; A remake is on its way, but it won't use the bumping engine anymore. But it's going to use an awesome engine anyway! I'm sure you'd love a lot more Ys games out there. I can't GUARANTEE you'll find them BETTER than Ys I and II, though. But I guarantee orgasms of awesomeness. If I was to recommend anything: Ys: The Oath in Felghana for PC (it's there on Steam for example), and Ys ORIGIN (also on Steam: prequel to Ys I & II, by 700 years). Afterwards, I'd recommend checking the others like Ys VI on the PS2 and Ys IV on the SNES and PC Engine/TurboGrafx 16 CD. |
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Post by Red Hairdo on Jun 16, 2012 0:45:06 GMT -5
Oh, and of course: Ys Seven on the PSP for last.
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Post by Sinful on Jun 16, 2012 20:14:50 GMT -5
Hey, I was just about to follow the instructions redhairdo left me after first checking out some topics here while on break from PSP gaming, and... while I came back to finally fix my name, it was already fixed.  Not that I'm complaining. (Thanks, mystery person) If you need anything else, let us know. Will do. And thanks for that advice in case I may need it again or maybe for anther forum in the future having the same feature (and now I'd now). ... actually, here a quick question after all; I just finished Ys i & II Chronicles (and man, that game came to a close so well) and now I'm debating what to start next? Either; a) continue with the Ys series and go to the next one in line (Oath), or; b) give Ys series a break and play another Falcom game I also happen to own (Heroes; Trails in the Sky). (I did just try out both today... though when I got to the first town in Trails, I got overwhelmed by so many places to visit... so I saved to try out the start of Oath next as a break... I'm about to go back to Trails again after this to inspect it further so I have a better idea what it's like? You know, at least make it through some battles to see what's that like?) And, the Ys series is great. Falcom makes OUTSTANDING RPGs and Action RPGs. (The closest to SRPG that they made would be Vantage Master, but that's more like "SRPG without the RPG".) Yeah, I guess Lord Monarch is more of a real time tactical deal then... And I'm for sure looking forward toward more great Falcom gaming from now on (haven't been this excited for an RPG company since Camelot and mostly due to their great Shining series). And from my research so far on Falcom, things look very promising. ... Plus I'm confident in this forum helping out too. Another Ys game that makes use of Ys I and Ys II's engine is Ys IV, which unlike those former 2, it hasn't been remade yet; A remake is on its way, but it won't use the bumping engine anymore. But it's going to use an awesome engine anyway! Yeah, for some reason Ys IV for the PCE is one of my most anticipated to play Ys game yet? Maybe it's due to my recent interest in the PCE? Or the fact that I so far am very fine with just the simple bump and grind gameplay of Ys i & II? Or maybe mostly because them graphics look so awesome!!! (Yeah, I'm a big fan of great 16 Bit graphics... actually more Sega Genesis & PCE then SNES. As weird as it may seem >_> ... Oh, and I also very much dig late 80's/early 90's 2D Arcade graphics too). I'm also excited & pumped to hear that Falcom is finally doing Ys IV themselves too! (Found this out right after I found out Falcom had nothing to do with both 16-Bit Ys IV games! Wow, what a shocker that was... er, them other two Ys IV games are just fine enough without Falcom, right?) if I was to recommend anything: Ys: The Oath in Felghana for PC (it's there on Steam for example), and Ys Origin (also on Steam: prequel to Ys I & II, by 700 years). Afterwards, I'd recommend checking the others like Ys VI on the PS2 and Ys IV on the SNES and PC Engine/TurboGrafx 16 CD. This confuses me a bit... is there any reason why I shouldn't play them in order? You afraid if I don't play the best Ys first that I won't be a fan of the series anymore, that the story makes more sense this way, or something along them lines? And I already have Oath for my PSP (I got all of them for PSP except that Konami ported one... which I hear is way better on the PC), so is there anything that makes the PC version better? For Ys Origin, I just heard from a Ys friend today suggested the idea that Origin may be better after I play the first few Ys games (at least that was the impression I got out of what we were talking about). And it does kinda make sense. So because of this thought + that it was released pretty late in the series & that I hear it's really good (my one friend like Oath & Origin the best), makes me want to kind of save this one for last. Especially if I too find that Oath is to my liking a lot too. Oh, and of course: Ys Seven on the PSP for last. Sounds like a plan too me. ... But wait, really, I should save this for last? (As in, sure, I wouldn't mind hearing what you have to say/add to this?... just no spoilers, please  WELCOME!! Yay, thanks for the welcome. And a more appropriate tune I couldn't think of. Especially also since just before I seen this post I just put Oath down (after playing it for the first time) for a break to come here. |
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Post by Red Hairdo on Jun 16, 2012 21:49:31 GMT -5
Oh, Ys Origin after Ys I/II aside, there's no real reason to play a game before the other, but yeah, I guess I kind of suggested some titles in the way they perhaps would appeal the most to you. It just that these kinds of things work differently for each person. Usually, it's preferable to play things according to their release dates, but that also can vary from person to person. By the way, About the Ys IVs, Falcom did have a lot of involvement: there just wasn't involvement on the development itself, but they gave out a script to Hudson (PCE), Tonkinhouse (SFC) and SEGA (Sega-CD/Mega Drive), except the last one was sadly cancelled, like Ys II on the Sega Master System. Apparently, it is said Hudson didn't follow it all that much, but they both are great games. Taito also eventually got the license for a PS2 (and later cellphone) version of their own of Ys IV, but most people agree that turned out really bad and of poor quality in general. So it's recommended to just play the 16 Bit versions. About what to play next... I'd recommend another Ys game not to lose the "Ys pacing" by getting it interrupted by other games, but that's up to you. if I were you, I'd play either Ys III, Ys Oath, Ys IV PCE and SFC, or Ys VI. I'm mentioning Ys VI because sadly some people that play Ys Oath or Origin before Ys VI miss the ability to... do things faster (I'm putting it this way not to spoil any feature nor anything to you). Basically, YsF/O are both successors of the engine introduced by Ys VI, so some additions in those latter titles are lacking in the original Ys VI. (But the opposite is also true: Ys VI has unique features of its own: I LOVE Ys VI). I hear Trails in the Sky is a GREAT game, but a bit draggy. Never played it myself, yet: I'm more of an Ys nut. But Trails is only the tip of the iceberg called Falcom: I LOVE Gurumin for PSP/PC, Zwei!!, Zwei II, Xanadu Next, Vantage Master... Falcom makes phenomenal games. Oh... and let me also give a warning: While Ys IV PCE IS a great game, it's not, like, the BEST thing ever made by mankind. By that, I mean you mustn't overhype yourself for that game. Play it like you would play any other game. Best of luck! |
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Post by Sinful on Jun 17, 2012 1:08:05 GMT -5
That last reply was very well put, Red Hairdo. One question arose from it though. Which Ys IV should be played first? Me, from the few pics I've seen of these games (+ the fact that I naturally prefer the bolder/brighter colour palettes of the PCE/Genesis 16-Bit systems over the SNES much larger and full of crappy in between/dull colours of the SNES) makes me want to prefer the PCE version. But so far I like your tastes & advice in everything you've said... sooo, yeah, more please. (and don't worry, you can prefer the SNES, lol) Thanks for warning me about my Ys IV PCE hype. But I guess I might have the hype for it at a more suitable level now? I've dropped hope for Ys IV to be the greatest thing ever a good couple of notches ever since I heard Falcom didn't develop them. (Though I'm very happy to hear they were involved at least... so back up a notch or two toward being excited again >_>) But I'm also a pretty open minded critic for games + very aware of game development, game balance, etc. (something that I strongly believe and see that many aren't aware of... though it's only really upsetting when it's professional game journalists that know shit about this >_< ... then of course all their BS spread like open wide vagina season  ) Out of the games you mentioned, only Zwei games I wasn't aware of. I just found out about Gurumin, then the same day later found out someone I know loves that as their fave PSP game (when at the same time when I seen the game I though about suggesting it to him as it looked like something he might of liked, lol). Out of the Xanadu series, the two PCE games look very, very interesting to me (looking forward to the second one getting translated, big time). But since they aren't in English yet, I was planning on trying "Next" in the meantime. ... Another game of great interest that this forum mentions has a translation underway, and probably the Falcom game that's got me most excited, is the latest Dinosaur game (since I love me a very good first person dungeon crawler when done right... though I only played 3 I liked so far; Phantasy Star 1, Shining in the Darkness, and Shining the Holy Ark). Vantage Master I'm hoping to be for me too, since I have a very hard time getting into most tactical/SRPG games after playing the Shining Force series (I especially hate the Tactics Ogre/FFT style that everybody is copying >_< These games suck, in my opinion. But because square made it, oohh, it's GOLD!! Yeesh  Sad but true. I fell in that category too, as FFT was my first SRPG too >_>; ... it's like nobody knows how to do this genre right at all? Here's hoping Falcom proves me wrong. |
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Post by Red Hairdo on Jun 17, 2012 2:44:34 GMT -5
About Ys IV, the problem is that apparently a lot of people play a version, then miss exclusive features of that version in the not-yet-played version. Basically, despite your personal preference, the SNES version is known for having "sharper"/"more real" graphics and is more fast paced, but Ys IV PCE is more "colorful", with a lot of awesome character portraits, voice-acting, music and 8-way movement. I played the SNES one first. I like both a lot as well. Ys IV rules! But I like each version in a different way, because they have different qualities. So, really, I guess it won't matter much which one you play first, but it's likely you'll like better the first one you play (but not necessarily). Also, the "Xanadu" games for PCE actually aren't related to the Xanadu subseries... It's kind of confusing, but basically all "Xanadu" games are "Dragon Slayer 2" games in a way, but "Legend of Xanadu" (the two PCE games) is unrelated to any of those in any given way, and both LoX games are "Dragon Slayer 8" games. Trails in the Sky, by the way, is the 6th game in the "Legend of Heroes" subseries, and all "LoH" games are "Dragon Slayer 6" games. And before you ask, Ys, Vantage Master, Dinosaur, Zwei!!, Zwei II and Gurumin aren't part of any Dragon Slayer. Zwei!!, Zwei II and very likely Gurumin are related, though. Oh, and Lord Monarch games are "Dragon Slayer 7". After the Ys series, my personal favorite Falcom game is Gurumin, definitely. After that, it's Vantage Master Online, Vantage Master Japan and then Xanadu Next, respectively. Take your time to digest all that Falcom has to offer. I certainly am. |
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Post by schlagwerk on Jun 18, 2012 12:14:19 GMT -5
Hah! No capital "S" in my name now!
Welcome aboard. Your arrival prompted me to try to fix my username again (when I tried to go from Schlagwerk to schlagwerk it never worked but going to a different name and then to schlagwerk did the trick!)
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Post by Sinful on Jun 18, 2012 17:42:18 GMT -5
Well, Red Hairdo, things took an unexpected turn of events... By the time I got to some enough gameplay in Trails in the Sky, I was already too far in the game to be able to stop anymore... Ys Oath is gonna have to wait after all it seems? Which I'm not complaining because I'm too worried of running out of new Ys games to play (plus some translations are still needed). But yeah, I can understand what you meant by Trails being a bit draggy. Especially to coming of a Ys game or from a Ys fan. But I think a large part of what makes games more enjoyable has also to do with what mood you in at that moment? Right now, the the draggy parts aren't affecting me at all. In fact, I'm helping things drag even more by talking to every townspeople I find + coming back for more after each change of events to read new dialog from everybody, lol. ... I don't know what else to say, other that I haven't been able to get into a turn-based RPG like this in a long time. And this game is really assuring me of Falcom's skills & Xseed's impressive translations (man, it'd be way to sad if they aren't the ones to finish this trilogy  ). And if you say the meat of Falcom still lies ahead?! Then man, things are looking great. After the Ys series, my personal favorite Falcom game is Gurumin, definitely. After that, it's Vantage Master Online, Vantage Master Japan and then Xanadu Next, respectively. You're the second person that is basically ranking Gurumin as their top PSP game. Man, this is pumping me up even more. I hope I can track a physical copy locally first. ... Though after I seen the Gurumin trailer awhile back while researching Falcom games, I was blown away with what I seen. And yeah, from the pics I've seen of Xanadu Next and how it's supposed to be. It seem really interesting. Take your time to digest all that Falcom has to offer. I certainly am. Yes, I agree with you there. Too many people nowadays worry to much of their ever growing gaming backlog to properly spend enough time with just one game. |
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Post by Sinful on Jun 19, 2012 16:18:18 GMT -5
Yay! I found a complete used physical copy of Gurumin! |
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Post by Red Hairdo on Jun 19, 2012 16:26:10 GMT -5
As with Ys IV PCE, I also advise you not to expect the greatest thing ever made by mankind, but you'll see, that game will grown on you before you realize it. |
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Post by Ghaleon on Jun 20, 2012 10:08:26 GMT -5
Hey there and welcome! ^_^
Good to meet you!
If Ys is your forte and/or your addiction, then this is defiantly the place to be!
The people are warm and kind, and in general its an awesome place to hang out. Now, i'm kinda curious to ask, what other titles besides Ys are you a fan of? Any other genres of games that you like?
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Post by Sinful on Jun 20, 2012 18:49:03 GMT -5
Hey there and welcome! ^_^ Good to meet you! If Ys is your forte and/or your addiction, then this is defiantly the place to be! The people are warm and kind, and in general it's an awesome place to hang out. Now, I'm kinda curious to ask, what other titles besides Ys are you a fan of? Any other genres of games that you like? - Shining series, made by Camelot only (either one Scenario of Shining Force 3 is my fave game ever... just not yet sure as to which Scenario yet? THEY ALL KICK MAJOR BUTT!!!)... will a Ys or any other Falcom game de-throne one this as my fave? We shall see... - Gradius series, made by Konami only (not yet sure about that Treasure developed Gardius V yet?)(includes Salamander sub-series too... still trying to get into the way too cutesy graphics of Parodius  ) - classic Castlevania series, with part III being fave, Bloodlines second fave, and XX for SNES third fave (though I'm really don't care for Super Castlevania IV at all, really)(the Catleroids are OK, but I really wish the classic style returned... actually, I find the Castleroid games impossible to replay. after I beat SotN when it came out, I've never ever been able to replay it. ie. could never make it past the Outer Wall, lol) - I really became a fan of the first person dungeon crawler due solely through the two Shining games called SitD and StHA... but I've never since found another in this genre that I can play... the search continues... (I've just seen XSEED translated some that looks VERY interesting!!! Gonna track 'em down ASAP!!! AAAHHH!!!) - Mega Man 3 & Mega Man X3 are my fave of them series - X-Men 1 for Sega Genesis (don't really care for the second, despite what most others say ) - Streets of Rage 3, followed by 2, then 1. - Golden Axe 1 Arcade only (don't care for the Genesis port of part 1 or part 2 that's exclusive to Arcade only... even the Genesis game of part 2 i don't care for)(part III for Genesis look interesting)... don't really care for any other beat'em ups, except TMNT Arcade, and TMNT III NES... TMNT in Time is pretty meh for both Arcade, SNES, & Genesis) - Daytona USA 2 Arcade, followed by part for Arcade and both Sega Saturn versions. - Sega Rally (never played part 2) - Sonic and Knuckles is my fave Sonic game, followed by Sonic 3 This should be enough for now to give a rough idea of what I might like?... Basically my fave developers are Camelot and Sega of old (before the Sammy takeover). With Falcom looking to be my next all time & big time fave developer at this point so far... so good, so what... (that should fill you in on my fave band) Oh, researching XSEED the past few days really has me very pleased with some of the game they've brought over and are bringing over (Already have a nice XSEED collection + pre-ordered Last Story... even though I have no idea what that game is about, lol... but, but, it's coming it comes in a LE box). I hope they keep up the good work so that I may keep supporting them from now on. ... I just found a LE of Trails in the Sky today brand new!! AAAHHHH!!! ... I also found Lunar for PSP in LE form, only used though ... and when I go home I found I was missing the soundtrack CD! AAAHHHHH!!!! |
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Post by Ghaleon on Jun 21, 2012 9:31:48 GMT -5
If First person dungeon crawlers are your thing, then give Wizardry labyrinth of lost souls on ps3. ^_^
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Post by schlagwerk on Jun 21, 2012 11:50:05 GMT -5
And absolutely don't forget Legend of Grimrock that just came out on Steam (or PC/Mac platforms)
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Post by Sinful on Jun 22, 2012 0:47:51 GMT -5
If First person dungeon crawlers are your thing, then give Wizardry: Labyrinth of Lost Souls on PS3. ^_^ Yeah, I seen this. But sadly PS3 is like the only next gen system I don't own. (Might have to change that soon enough though?) So maybe XSEEDS other upcoming dungeon crawler, called Unchained or something, may prove to be an excellent filler until I get a PS3. ... I also plan I getting the 3DS version of Unchained since this is the only version getting a physical release... if it's good enough, then I'll order the PSP version online to further support XSEED to bring over more good dungeon crawlers (why is it that first person shooter genre are retarded popular, and first person RPGs aren't? ... You know, I really don't get the popularity of first person shooter at all, anyways? They just ain't clicking with me yet... lol, I guess that same question can be asked to myself too, as it also maybe don't make sense for me not to like fps ). And absolutely don't forget Legend of Grimrock that just came out on Steam (or PC/Mac platforms) WOW! I never heard of this game! (I've just started paying more attention to current gaming... yeah >_>). But this game sure looks impressive alright. After I move at the end of the month, I'll probably get this ASAP. Thanks for the heads up, shlagwerk. |
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Not that I'm complaining. 
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