Joystick and PC Ys games

[Red Hairdo]

I'll try to be brief.

I bought and recently used a PS2-modeled joystick for Ys I.II COMPLETE (CD version, not sure if that matters).
Well, it worked fine. But when I used the analogic stick to move, Adol wasn't able to move as he did with the mouse (all directions): he only moved to eight directions even using the analogic stick, unlike Ys I.II Eternal Story for PS2.

I bought the joystick majorly because I remember when I played Ys VI on PS2, then tried later the PC version on the keyboard. It SUCKED to be limited to move to 8 directions in a 3D game.

I'm wondering about two things:
1st - Is there something I can do, so that I can run Ys I.II COMPLETE using the analogic stick in the same way one can in the PS2 version?
2nd - Does that 8-direction thingy also happens when using joysticks for Ys VI (PC), Ys: Oath in Felghana and Ys ORIGIN? (>__> GOD, I hope not.)

Can anybody give me a helping hand? ='(

[Adol.Christin]

can't really tell, but why? WHY? buy a separate joystick for the PC? just use a PS2 to USB converter, it works fine and it will cost you less than 10 bucks.

[Red Hairdo]

willem said:

can't really tell, but why? WHY? buy a separate joystick for the PC? just use a PS2 to USB converter, it works fine and it will cost you less than 10 bucks.

1st - It was bought over an year ago, I wasn't aware of such converter.
2nd - How would I play the games on the PC WHILE one of my brothers plays the PS2 if there's only one PS2 controller?
3rd - It wasn't much expensive. xD It cost something similar to... 16 bucks.


I think Deuce and some others mainly use joysticks for the Ys games.
Doesn't anybody know anything...?

[Red Hairdo]

Thanks for the help guys. =D

But... hm... is there a PS1-to-USB converter too?
Just asking. I need to invest my (very little) money properly...

[FM-77AV]

Shaddap doods! Stop being unclear!

They ARE compatible with PS1 controllers. 100%.

In addition: converters are NEVER better than real controllers.

[Red Hairdo]

Thanks for the helpful info!

Well, just did a quick search in certain stores today, though I didn't find such converter. I'll do a deeper search for it someday later in this month. And even if I still can't find it, I'll have to appeal to but it via internet. (Difficult for me since I still can't have a bank account or anything.)

[Red Hairdo]

Sorry for double posting. Note: different dates. )

Well, I went to a friend's house. He uses the PS2-USB converter. He has two PS2 controllers and one PS1 controller. The converter indeed works with the PS1 controller as well.
We tested Ys I COMPLETE with them. It worked exactly like my GamePad/ PS2-modeled Joystick. (By the way, the converter costs something like 14 buck in my country. Buying a new GamePad, in my case, was a much better choice.)

That is, you can't move like you can in PS2's port. =/ There's no way.
And what's worse... we also tested it with Ys ORIGIN (he has ORIGIN). You can also run in only 8 directions... unlike Ys VI's PS2 port. NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!
Still, using a gamepad is better for the gameplay, at least in the case of the Ys games. So I'll use mine from now on.
Note: We played using Ys VI's Adol in that arena mode. Man, moving in such limited way considerably ruined the accuracy of the hits. I remember having no such issues with that in the PS2 Ys VI. Even with small enemies.

Well, that's really bad.
But the games are still great, of course.
I was just looking for a way to further improve the enjoyment.

[zaratus]

I use a PS2 controller adapter myself, and I've had no problems with 360 degree movement for Oath in Felghana, and I'm pretty sure it was the same for Ys Origin (Don't feel like digging out my game disc to double-check though). But, I did test Oath in Felghana, and it does have 360 degree movement with the analog stick and 8 direction movement with the d-pad. Of course Adol only has sprites for movement in 8 directions, but it does offer the higher freedom of movement.

I like the converter better than an actual PC controller - I've had nothing but bad luck with them. I've not used one in quite a few years, last time was on a Windows 98 computer, but they always stop working right after a short while. Usually starts with a button sticking a lot, or it just stopped working altogether. At least a PS2 controller offers a much sturdier design and won't break down on you after a few weeks or a month.

Only thing I don't like, and I'm assuming this is because of the adapter - when I have the analog sticks turned on, I cannot use the d-pad. I have to push the button on the PS2 controller to turn analog off before I can use the d-pad. Not a big deal, but it is sort of irritating on certain bosses when you need precision with fireball magic, such as Ellefale or Galbalan. D-pad offers more accuracy in those situations.

I don't remember if I had 360 degree movement in Ys I + II. I don't have the games installed on this system yet, so I can't double check it at the moment. Being somewhat older games, it wouldn't suprise me if it was 8 direction only, it's still a hell of a lot better than when you could only do four directional movement.

Hmm, I think I'll dig out the Ys I + II discs and double-check that now, got me curious.

EDIT: OK, double checked - Ys I seems to have 16 directional movement. It's not quite full movement, but it's definitely more than 8 direction. Check your settings in the game - there's an option for it - either 8-way or 'free' movement.

Ys II seems to have a greater freedom of movement - at the very least, it's definitely more than 16. Testing it in boss rush, with the analog stick, I had some pretty bad accuracy with the fire magic, which if it was 8, or even 16 direction would simply not be there.

Perhaps it's the converter?

[Red Hairdo]

Perhaps it's the converter, who knows.

Strange, I didn't test with OiF, but in ORIGIN it was indeed 8-directioned with my friend's converter + PS2 controller.

Hmmm... it wasn't 8-directioned with Ys I and II?
That's weird...
Hm, I didn't found such an option in the game's settings. Here's how it looks: *click*


This topic needs further research. =]

[zaratus]

For Ys I and II, the option was from the in-game options menu - there's a bit more stuff in there including the always appreciated option to change your button layout. With my adapter, it sticks Button 1 as Triangle which can be a bit awkward. Oh, and something else that I thought would have been nice in Oath in Felghana - a setting to put your fire magic on 8-way only - so you can aim good when using analog sticks.

Mine looks very similar to this one: PS2 Adapter on eBay

Mine is slightly different in shape, but otherwise looks identical.

Hmm, lemme double-check Origin quick though...

Yep, definitely got more than 8 directional movement - but again, the characters only have sprites for facing eight directions. But, I can definitely move up and just slightly right - change my angle a bit more to the right and then the sprite changes to the up/right sprite.

[Red Hairdo]

HOLY CRAP! xDDD

I just double triple-checked it with Ys I.II COMPLETE with my PS2-modeled GamePad, and Adol was still limited to 8-direction, both in the d-pad and the analogic stick.
Then I remembered what you said about having to turn off the red light-thingy to use the the d-pad... it was then that I noticed it was off! I turned it on and it worked pretty much as how you described for Ys I and II. It isn't 360° like the PS2 port, but it feels a whole lot better.

Things I have to say:
1st - How stupid I am! xDD Hahah!
2nd - Thanks for the help zaratus!

Also, that eBay link isn't working.
But man, thanks for the help! It meant a lot!

And I gotta tell that to my friend.

[zaratus]

Glad to hear you figured out the problem! I fixed the link too - had quotes around the URL, so it didn't register. Could have sworn it took quotes... *shrug* Might be mistaking it for HTML.

My analog sticks won't work at all if I don't have it turned on, so that's a little weird that yours did. Perhaps that's an issue with my adapter then this time. It IS a cheap one, doesn't even have a brand name or manufacturer on it.

Heh, it almost always seems that the solution is something so simple.

[Red Hairdo]

zaratus said:

Heh, it almost always seems that the solution is something so simple.

Short, but wise words. Could very well be a proverb.

[Stan]

redhairdo said:

zaratus said:

Heh, it almost always seems that the solution is something so simple.

Short, but wise words. Could very well be a proverb.

You mean Occam's razor?

[Red Hairdo]

Whao!

Well, kind of.


By the way, seeing you reminded me of Ys II Special! Oh yeah, gotta get back on track with this one too!
... I wonder if my GamePad could work there, too. :x
But in this case it's not really needed.

Ys rules!

[Stan]

Yeah, the holidays derailed me from Ys II Special, as well. That, starting a full-time job, and having no clue what to do next. But I still want to finish it.