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Post by FM-77AV on Aug 18, 2008 12:33:14 GMT -5
PC Engine is not the same as PC. PC Engine is an old japanese video game console. You can play this game on an emulator however.
What you linked to is the japanese version. It is available in English, but it is very expensive. I believe you can download it at Romnation(.com?), though.
A lot of people like this particular version (probably mostly because of nostalgia), but I cannot recommend it. It derives far too much from the intended Ys experience, and breaks the well-designed level system entirely.
Ys 1-2 Complete are remakes of Ys 1-2. They've modernized the Ys formula, and made the gameplay faster and less challenging. The graphics are greatly enhanced, but the soundtrack tries to retain the original chip music feeling. It succeeds somewhat, but sounds worse than what it tries to sound like.
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Post by Justin on Aug 18, 2008 13:13:38 GMT -5
I don't think that's true. If you play Ys III and hate it, for example, that doesn't mean you'll hate Ys: The Oath in Felghana. If you play Ys I & II and hate it, that doesn't mean you'll hate Ys VI - or vice versa! The Ys series is really pretty varied, and I don't think it's really possible to judge the series based on one game. I mean, sure, if you played Ys VI and absolutely hated it, you'd probably also hate Oath in Felghana and Origin; and if you played Ys I & II and absolutely hated it, you'd probably also hate Ys IV. But you can't really go any more general than that. Personally, I'd say, waste your money! Because if you're here, my guess is, you're not going to dislike any of the Falcom games you might buy. -Tom I said core gameplay, and yes they are the same. In Ys its go to a town, talk to a bunch of people, save/help random girls, you always wander into new lands and for some reason you are the only one strong enough to change anything, leveling up just enough is essential, the music is all generally the same (It has evolved yes, but for the most part they are heart pumping ninja tunes), they are all very short, and their stories are all very similar.... so yeah I would have to say they are all very alike. To the person who created this post: As you can see there are HUGE differences in everyones opinion here, but the one thing that we all can agree on is that Ys is AWESOME and really just pick one and start from there. I have played them all (Save for Origin and Strategy) and they are all great games to play. None of us would be here if that wasn't the case.
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Post by Ranzor on Aug 18, 2008 16:48:18 GMT -5
You can also download Ys I-II on Yahoo Japan, see if you like it, then buy it. I don't have the link, thought.
And, Seldane, I like Ys IV, but Dawn of Ys has very badly designed dungeons and Mask of the Sun has a pretty muddled story and the bump system it uses is the worse in any Ys game.
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Post by FM-77AV on Aug 18, 2008 17:02:13 GMT -5
Who's Seldane?
Anyway, I think the level design in Dawn is rather good (very similiar to that of Ys 1-2), but even better in Mask (even more similiar to Ys 1-2). I don't think the story makes much sense in either of the games. Have you played Mask with the new translation? It is a little bit better. I really like the bump system in both Ys IV games.
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Post by FM-77AV on Aug 18, 2008 17:59:51 GMT -5
Actually, Ys 1-2 Complete are available in seperate releases. And the English patches ONLY work with Ys 1-2 Complete, not Eternal.
Yes, the level designs in Ys 4 are very nice. I cannot see anything wrong with them.
By the way, wyrd, have you completed Ys IV PCE yet?
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Post by michaelchaoslord on Aug 18, 2008 18:14:13 GMT -5
torrents and wait a couple of weeks to play again if my computer ever @#$%# up. Weeks? What kind of tracker are you using? And why would the games disappear just because your computer fucked up? And why would it fuck up in the first place? Ever heard of external media? Or even hard drive partitions? And outbidding someone on Ebay makes you a jerk? There are many questions, but no answers. Well I do try to find the fastest tracker I could, its just that it makes the internet slow and my siblings keep shutting it off and forgetting to turn it back on. Also (though it never happened yet)in the past I've got some messed up viruses in my old computer and had to do some things to it to erase it which erased a lot of data on my computer. And no I've never heard of external media or drive partitions, but I am working on it! I like all the Ys games so far, its difficult on which one is the best.
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Post by Justin on Aug 18, 2008 22:57:44 GMT -5
I said core gameplay, and yes they are the same. In Ys its go to a town, talk to a bunch of people, save/help random girls, you always wander into new lands and for some reason you are the only one strong enough to change anything, leveling up just enough is essential, the music is all generally the same (It has evolved yes, but for the most part they are heart pumping ninja tunes), they are all very short, and their stories are all very similar.... so yeah I would have to say they are all very alike. Not to be picky, but what you listed is not gameplay, it's story and music. The gameplay between Ys games are quite different. Side-scrolling, bumping, slashing...lots of variety. Someone might hate Ys III because they hate sidescrollers, but love Ys IV or V or something. Agreed on story though, they are somewhat similar aside from Origin, but that's part of the charm, I think. Storylines have never been the focus of Ys, in my opinion. A nice extra, more like. Its an action RPG, and while there are 2 different systems used, they are always birds eye view, and you still have to walk up to the bad guy to hurt the bad guy. Success in the game depends on where you maneuver Adol, and when you use him to attack. A plane and a helicopter are 2 different things but they both fly in the sky, do they not? When I mean "core" I mean core. I know I am right, because if there wasn't a title screen, you would still know you were playing an Ys game. It takes a series that has a very unique style, that is consistent with all entries, to attain a level of individuality. Zelda, Metal Gear Series (Yes I also include the NES entries), Tetris, and hell even the many faces of Mario, all share similar "core" gameplay features with their predecessors. I get what you mean, and on that level I very much agree with you, but I really mean core to the point its ether black or white. Well I do try to find the fastest tracker I could, its just that it makes the internet slow and my siblings keep shutting it off and forgetting to turn it back on. Also (though it never happened yet)in the past I've got some messed up viruses in my old computer and had to do some things to it to erase it which erased a lot of data on my computer. And no I've never heard of external media or drive partitions, but I am working on it! I like all the Ys games so far, its difficult on which one is the best. 2 things 1. Use Azureus for Bittorrents. It DL's faster for some reason, and picks back up very nicely if interrupted. Plus for some reason its very good at making you "connectible" 2. I assume you are on a Windows machine, probably XP, but vista is fine. Go to www.eeye.com and DL Blink. It is by far the BEST anti-everything for windows. Its made for big companies, and I have used it for more than a year now. Not a single virus, or spyware problem since I installed it. The fire wall protection it has is far superior to Windows, and it is very quick to remedy anything potential "unwanted" issues. Its free for a full year man, and after that you have to pay, but its very cheap. PS I am about 1/8 into finishing that Blitz, how is that Sazabi going???
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Post by michaelchaoslord on Aug 19, 2008 0:34:13 GMT -5
I already have a good anti-virus now, but I didn't back then, and I'm thinking of switching to Azeurus(mispelled ) I've noticed a lot of people didn't care much mostly for Ys3 and I was always wondering why? Was there something wrong with the game cause I really love the game and I didn't find anything wrong with it?! P.S. I'm working on the legs, hips, and then weapons. I'm a fast builder, wish there was a metallic paint for the small scratches.
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Post by michaelchaoslord on Aug 19, 2008 1:14:28 GMT -5
Yeah Oath is one of my favorites. They made it in a way thats new, fast, and more challenging. I wish the world map was larger personally but that's pretty much all I could think of that could have been approved. Great game!
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Post by Musa-Revived on Aug 19, 2008 2:52:44 GMT -5
1. Use Azureus for Bittorrents. It DL's faster for some reason, and picks back up very nicely if interrupted. Plus for some reason its very good at making you "connectible" I personally wouldn't recommend Azureus since you need java to run it. Try utorrent instead. Only one exe file, does as much as azureus and not as much a resource hog as Azureus (though that can be contended). I'm not claiming which bittorrent client is best but after trying out both, I decided to stick to utorrent. However, its up to you to try out both and find out which is better.
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Post by sargon on Aug 19, 2008 4:13:38 GMT -5
Thats it, I bought Ys I&II complete from HimeyaShop.com for about 80$(including shipping). I know I should have checked a demo before buying, but I really don't like to do too much research once I know I want something. Thanks for the help.
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Post by Musa-Revived on Aug 19, 2008 9:46:16 GMT -5
Hmm, the only versions of the pre-windows Ys I played are the emulated ones that came with Ys 6. Can't remember if they're PCE or PC98...
Anyway, only Ys 3 left a greater impression on me because of the side scrolling. I don't seem to remember much about Ys IV and V though... except that Ys V had Adol jumping and slashing instead of the usual bump.
Well I remember enjoying the plots of Ys IV and V... but other than that, I can't remember much. In fact I remember more of Ys 3 than 4 and 5 combined...
I guess I wasn't impressed by them as much as the earlier 3 games. Well, I hope Falcom remakes them into 3d like Oath.
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Post by FM-77AV on Aug 19, 2008 10:24:01 GMT -5
Ys Complete Works contains the PC-8800 versions of Ys 1-3, and the SFC versions of 4-5.
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Post by Justin on Aug 19, 2008 11:58:11 GMT -5
You're forgetting Ys III and V, - At least one version of Ys I, II, or IV - At least one version of Ys III (not OiF) - Ys V - Ys VI, Oath in Felghana, or Origin Only then can a person even BEGIN to get a feel for the gameplay of the Ys series. Oh, and I disagree on Zelda, as well. Speaking as someone who thinks Zelda 2 is *vastly* superior to any other Zelda game, and Zelda 3 is *vastly* inferior, I can tell you that the core gameplay varies pretty significantly from one Zelda game to the next, and has changed quite a bit over time. Heck, it's even more varied than Ys! Even Mario has changed - just look at Mario 2, Yoshi's Island, and Mario Sunshine! -Tom You haven't played Ys 5 so how can you say that honestly??? I do agree with Ys III being different, but only to a point, its the same game but left to right instead of birds eye. Its still an action rpg, and its very Ys right down to the grinding, always picking up the newest items after every dungeon, so whatever you want to describe my idea as "core gameplay" as it still has very much akin to the other installments. Ys 5 plays just like Ys 6, Oath, and Origin, albeit a much primitive version, but at the end of the day it is the "slash" system you say it isn't. Zelda 2 is great, and the premise is the SAME as all the other games. Hit up a bunch of Temples/Dungeons, collect items that are critical to your success, find heart pieces bla bla bla. Sure there was a level up system, and the game was left to right, but Nintendo said "Lets make a Zelda game, but change the perspective" when they made it. Underneath it all its a Zelda game, no mistaking it. Zelda 3 is a truly phenomenal game, and its sad to see you disregard it like that. Mario 2, which really isn't even a Mario game per say, has all the major characters, you jump, get mushrooms, shrink when it, grow when eating a shroom, there are power stars, and there are 3 levels per world...... Just like the other Mario games. Sure you can pick up the bad guys now, and each character can do different things, and the world takes place in Mario's dream, but at the end of the day is a Mario game. Yoshis Island...... dude give me a break. Its pretty much Super Mario World with Yoshi the whole time. If I never played a Mario game, and played this first I would think its pretty good. When I did get to Mario if I didn't know better, I would have though Yoshi's Island totally ripped off Mario World. Sunshine had major differences ie the water pack, but you collected "shines" in different worlds, and couldn't take on new parts of the game until a certain amount was collected. Sounds an awful lot like Mario 64, and Galaxy imo. Well have to agree to disagree on my idea of game play, but I still say if you like an Ys game, you will probably like them all.
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Post by Musa-Revived on Aug 19, 2008 19:24:39 GMT -5
Musa: Yeah, like FM said, they are PC-88 versions. And I would be very happy with Ys IV and V remade, but not in the style of Oath so much. Never been a huge fan of Ys VI. But but... Ys VI is awesome! It was revolutionary! Adol in 3D!! How can anyone not like it??? Then again you're mostly console gamers, 3D adventure games are nothing to you. But I've always been a PC gamer and most Japanese PC games then (and now) are nothing but 2D with text, text and text (and erotic scenes but that's besides the point). Falcom was the answer to my prayers as a PC gamer since everyone else was making console games.
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Post by Red Hairdo on Aug 19, 2008 21:38:30 GMT -5
Like I said: play Ys. Ys is fine. Almost any Ys will do, for anyone. That's it. Play it/them without much thinking. It all is a matter of taste, too. I personally love around 95% of every released Ys game. 2D, 3D, bumping, slashing, any way will do.
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Post by Justin on Aug 19, 2008 23:00:13 GMT -5
I do agree with Ys III being different, but only to a point, its the same game but left to right instead of birds eye. Its still an action rpg, and its very Ys right down to the grinding, always picking up the newest items after every dungeon, so whatever you want to describe my idea as "core gameplay" as it still has very much akin to the other installments. Ys 5 plays just like Ys 6, Oath, and Origin, albeit a much primitive version, but at the end of the day it is the "slash" system you say it isn't. I still think you're just barely missing wyrdy's point. It has *nothing* at all to do with characters, plot, or even *what you do* in the game. It's not about picking up items and levelling in Ys or going from temple to temple in Zelda. Those are things you will see in a lot of games. It's the actual *game* *play*. You need a different set of skills to physically play Ys III than Ys V. Ys III is a platformer - you need to have judgement of spacial differences, how far you can jump, if you can make that ledge, etc. You have a different set of dimensions to worry about, as you can't side-step attacks like in Ys I and II, but need to jump over them instead. In Ys I, you need only the D-Pad/Arrows to play for the most part. But in Ys III, you need a whole slew of different skills - usings rings, slashing, jumping, etc. Ys V is different from VI and on because it's more deliberate and tactical. You simply cannot go rushing in guns blazing in Ys V the way you do in VI. Adol doesn't have 100 million hit combos, he hits *once*. Adol can't run, he moves at a nice medium pace and you can whip out your shield (which you WILL need to do, and you DO NOT even get do in any other Ys game.) You have to be precise. It's a very far cry from the crazy turbo-Adol antics of VI and Felghana. I *do* totally agree that they are similar styles - i.e., Ys II isn't a shmup and Ys IV isn't a fighter. But they are different enough to justify giving more than one a chance if you don't like it. And I understand what you are saying regarding similarities in content of the game, but like I said earlier, I think the beef is with the term core gameplay. It's not gameplay that's the same, it's the plot and what you do *in* the game, not as much how you play it (gameplay.) Friends? Oh dude of course, I don't look down on anyone here. I consider all these arguments pure entertainment. I have no one in my life to chat about this, so every post is a great read, and I have a huge respect for everyones opinion here. It is a question between what Wyrdie and I think is core gameplay, but I see where you guys are coming from for sure. I cannot stress this enough: I consider all this healthy debate, so yeah Friends.
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Post by michaelchaoslord on Aug 20, 2008 1:53:07 GMT -5
I agree, you are only reading. If you could see our facial expressions you would think differently. My twin brother is the only one right now in the house hold who has played most of the Ys games so I never really have a lot to talk to when he's out working. I use bitcomet, is that a good software?
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Post by FM-77AV on Aug 20, 2008 7:27:59 GMT -5
Bitcomet is not good, it is slow and even comes with spyware these days. www.utorrent.comYou won't regret it. Everybody uses it. Everybody!
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Post by Ranzor on Aug 20, 2008 16:14:54 GMT -5
It's better than BitTorrent, I guess?
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