Post by fireinthehole on Oct 14, 2009 4:05:56 GMT -5
According to I Love Falcom website, apparently the PC Engine version of Ys IV has less contradiction with the games that came after than the SFC version of Ys IV has. This is stated in the setence that starts with "Ys4 ni(hiragana)" from homepage1.nifty.com/sugimo/falcom/Ys/ys_time.htm. I used the google translator so it may not be accurate, but I am confused as to why that would be the case since the PC Engine version really messed up with the continuity with Ys I and II. It'd be greatly appreicated if someone can shed some light on this matter.
Post by Red Hairdo on Oct 15, 2009 13:17:37 GMT -5
Hmmm... to be honest, I didn't personally see anything at all in Ys IV PCE that could have messed up with anything about Ys I, II or even III. As for Ys IV SFC, on the other hand, it certainly did mess up with a thing or two... namely, at least about the Winged Ones (which include Feena and Reah), which back in the days they lived along with the humans in Celceta, they were actually just "creating" them to eventually just enjoy the humans merely as a kind of food, which is why war broke in between the two races in MotS (there was no such a contraditory war in DoY, especially for such a contraditory reason xD).
Some of those discrepancies between Ys IV MotS and DoY have been previously discussed around here at least once, about two months ago, in this thread, in case you're interested.
Post by fireinthehole on Oct 16, 2009 0:17:02 GMT -5
Well, that and Dark Fact's turning out to be Sieg Fact from 700 years ago. That's probably the biggest contradiction that the PCE version of Ys IV has. Sigh... all the more reason for Falcom to make Ys IV themselves.
The biggest inconsistency between Ys IV PCE and Ys I & II is the fate of Sara the fortune-teller, which seems to follow the anime continuum of Ys I & II rather than the game continuum.
Kind of: in the original Ys Book I & II, Sara WAS alive. That's why she was still there in Ys IV DoY, also for PCE. And to our surprise, in the anime as well...
But, yeah, one can say it's "more oficial" that she's dead. =( I don't favor that, though.
Hm, but as for the Sieg Fact thingy in DoY... well, even though it was kind of "weird", I didn't personally see any inconsistency or contradiction about it... however, I must also say I didn't play Ys ORIGIN yet, and... I guess maybe there'd be a contradiction there...?
Post by fireinthehole on Oct 18, 2009 5:27:01 GMT -5
Nah, I don't want to see Ys I/II remade with Ys Seven's system; it's Adol's first real adventure so I want Adol alone to savor it. Plus, Ys I/II was already remade in a way with Ys Origin, especially for bosses. Maybe five to six years later (hopefully Falcom will have remade at least one of Ys IV and Ys V by then), I will start hoping for the completely new remake of Ys I/II with completley new system. BTW, I Love Falcom! site got closed down two days ago. Man, this reminds me of the closing of that huge fansite for the Lunar series; it's depressing
As for Ys IV SFC, on the other hand, it certainly did mess up with a thing or two... namely, at least about the Winged Ones (which include Feena and Reah), which back in the days they lived along with the humans in Celceta, they were actually just "creating" them to eventually just enjoy the humans merely as a kind of food, which is why war broke in between the two races in MotS (there was no such a contraditory war in DoY, especially for such a contraditory reason xD).
After replaying through some key parts of recent Ys games (Ys VI, Ys OiF, Ys I/II Eternal) to refresh my memory on the winged civilization during past few days, I am not sure if this can be considered contradiction. The Winged people were basically physical gods so it's likely that most of them considered normal people inferior and saw fit to rule over them whether normal people liked it or not. It's possible that Feena, Reah, and Alma were exceptions in their treatment of people (by being particularly "nice" to the people they were governing). For once, I actually want to see just how much damage the evil-aligned winged ones can cause (this is one of the few things I think MotS did better than DoY). Feena, Reah, and Alma are supposed to be physical gods but they end up getting owned by the clan of darkness and relying on wingless (albeit very badass) people to do most of the work for them.
And about Sieg Fact=Dark Fact thing, it's pretty much established that Dark Fact was a normal person until his father got killed by the people who wanted to undo the seal on Cleria. This caused the dormant seeds of evil within Dark Fact (as established in Origin) to awaken and become the main villain of Ys I. On the other hand, Dawn of Ys states that Dark Fact was a dark sorceror named Sieg Fact from 700 years ago who tried to gain the power of the mask of the sun but failed. He later tried to gain control of the black pearl but Adol stopped him. So according to Dawn of Ys, Dark Fact is basically 700 years old, which is where the contradiction comes from.
Hm, well, you make a valid point, but I personally think it would be a bit odd that Reah, Feena and Alma were exceptions... but yeah, it isn't necessarily a contradiction. Actually, from what I recall, the Winged Ones in Celceta (obs.: not from Eldeen) lived together with the humans in equality, I think. The thing about them wanting to eventually enjoy the humans as mere food was actually a secret. But eventually the humans learned about it.
About Dark Fact's and his father's story, the only place where they were brought up was, if I'm not mistaken, was in the anime, which already doesn't count much by itself (i.e. Sara lives). (And from what I recall from the anime, his father only got killed because the people either feared or envied his father's magical powers.) Of course, let me know if I'm mistaken or something. I'd like to hear the details: this kind of stuff isn't normally brought up anywhere, so now might be a good opportunity.
By the way, I'm really confident it would drastically help us if we all had (and could understand) that "Ys I~VI Perfect Data" book. Man, I have wanted to buy that one for soooooooooo long.
Post by fireinthehole on Oct 21, 2009 7:53:30 GMT -5
The manual for Ys I Eternal explains that Dark Fact disappeared after his father got murdered by miners who wanted to get their hands on Cleria (and presumably became the main villain of Ys I). Considering how Keith's sister's death triggered Keith's transformation into a demon sometime before Ys II (but not too long ago since Keith at one point mentions that his sister would have been in Adol's age had she lived in Ys II Eternal) and the seeds of evil were embedded in Hugo and Toal (Dark and Keith's ancestors), it's heavily implied that Dark Fact was a normal person until the disaster struck.
Post by Red Hairdo on Oct 21, 2009 12:31:35 GMT -5
hm, interesting the Ys ETERNAL manual bit. =o But about Keith's non-human form, that was actually a curse from the monsters that was cast on him, after his sister's death, instead of something related to his bloodline.
Anyway, yeah, now it's clearer that the Sieg Fact bit doesn't match up with Dark Fact's pre-story. Ys IV ETERNAL is needed.
Post by fireinthehole on Oct 21, 2009 13:52:06 GMT -5
Regarding Keith's non-human form, it's possible that the cause is retconned to the seeds of evil (as opposed to a curse from the monsters) with Ys Origin. Damn, we need more clarification than we first suspected.