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Post by Incog Neato on Feb 1, 2010 6:20:35 GMT -5
Do any of you actually go out of your way to fight those potentially masochistic boss battles? Mark yer spoilers, please. >:B
I'm trying to jog my memory on how many I've fought and I can only think of a handful. I know I failed miserably trying to fight the optional boss (the O one) in FFIX. XD I think I lasted around 1 minute against it. ^.^;;;; I was wholly unprepared. :D
I did fight the H boss though. That battle was snore-inducing and lame. And the reward you get from him was double-lame.
Anddddd. I recall I was trying to gear-up to taken on the optional boss (the OW) in FFX but I eventually stopped playing the game so I never did get around to it. :\
In FFXII, I got all the Espers except U and Z plus beat some of the high level Marks too.
Finally! I do believe that I fought and prevailed in all the optional boss fights (I'm including the Coliseum battles) in Kingdom Hearts II JP. :D On Beginner Mode. :DD
Wait! One more! I actually went all the way to the final floor of the Old Cave dungeon in Lufia II and smacked around the boss there. XD
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Post by HJ on Feb 1, 2010 7:42:21 GMT -5
It depends. In games like Kingdom Hearts where learning the boss' pattern and when to strike is more important than a high level, sure, I enjoy bosses like Sephiroth. In games like Disgaea and FFX where massive amounts of grinding is how you beat them, no.
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Post by ausdoerrt on Feb 1, 2010 7:50:24 GMT -5
The "H-boss" in FFIX? I wasn't aware the game had H-content ^___^ Seriously though, WTF IS that? Been too long. As for Ozma, I never bothered, since I decided not to do a near-100% run of FFIX so it didn't really matter. The final boss was easy enough around lvl60 anyhow. Only time I actually bothered with one of those big ones was in FFVIII with the Omega Wpn, but with my team (Squall, Zed, Selphie) all being lvl99, it only took 2 or 3 tries. Sadly, Selphie's "The End" doesn't work on the thing. I fought Kangaxx the Demilich in BG2, but that took a looong time and some cheese, since I wasn't smart enough to protect my party from Abjuration ^___^' And of course, every time I do a runthrough of TOEE, I have to go fight the Balor, since he's just full of fun, minus the 5 attacks per round, summoning other balors and damage immunity and all DMC3SE's optional boss, of course, but he's weak and lame. Still, if you're in need of red orbs... I beat quite a few of Last Remnant's "special monsters", but there were a few that I couldn't manage to beat. Since the game is on my long backlog atm, not sure how soon I'll continue. TBH, I'm not sure which I hate more - grinding-dependent bosses, or timing-dependent bosses. Once in a while, games like Ys Complete make me a bit furious
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Post by Sardien on Feb 1, 2010 12:19:40 GMT -5
I love crazy optional battles! If a game is unable to beat me up a bit after I master its mechanics, it's a lame one. Unless it's something like Noby Noby Boy o'course. The ones I remember right now: -Tales series optionals are usually very rewarding, especially if you jack up the difficulty which gives them all kinds of new moves and behavior. I always whack all of 'em in Tales of Eternia, including the ultimate one in the randomly generated dungeon on Mania. -Tales of Destiny 2 (JP) is especially a goldmine for these kind of challenges. Beating the game on UNKNOWN is one of the most hardcore and highly unfair challenges that exist: it was great! I have many fond gaming memories of this one. -Tales of Rebirth extra dungeon, with all the crazy boss combo's and status effects. -Tales of Abyss, cameo battle/Nebilim with another human player on Hard was a lot of fun! -Tales of Destiny Remake, optional dungeon with Barbatos and everything. -Stage 5' in Dracula X Chronicles! Though the stage is the hard part here, not the boss. -SPOILER in Super Robot Wars @ Gaiden, great optional boss with an awesome voiced event starring one of your guys. -Black Bean from Gurumin. Cool take on the usual 'voice sample dodge cue'. -SPOILER from the end of Ruins EX, Brandish: The Dark Revenant. -"The Strongest Woman in the World" from Brandish 2 -"Violent Challenger" from Brandish 3 arena. Frantic battle against a guy deadly at both close and long range. If you don't dodge to the side the moment the battle starts you're DEAD! It was hard to find openings during which you could buff and heal yourself, and even harder to find openings to actually do some damage. To top it off, he has a rocking battle theme.
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Post by schlagwerk on Feb 1, 2010 13:59:16 GMT -5
In all the games I've played that had optional bosses, I've defeated them. For the most part all the ones I've ever encountered had some form of exploit or gimmick that would trivialize the fight (or make it doable at all) if you use it.
The Iron Giant in Final Fantasy III DS can kiss my ass, though. It is the only optional boss fight I never bothered with because I have never found a workable strategy for it that does not involve "make a party of 4 lv.99 Onion Knights".
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Post by Incog Neato on Feb 1, 2010 17:11:56 GMT -5
Christ, you guys make NO EFFORT to hide spoilers. 9__9
Anyway, the boss in FFIX with the H in its name is the stupid dork in Memorias that gives you the stupid pointless Ark summon. I wasted my time just to get that piece of crap!?
My Bahamut was pulling in 9999 HP of damage and punky Ark only did like 5000+! WTF?
ARGH.
But, you know, whether it's just a boss with 10 million HP or one with a festival of reaction commands, I'd still have to grind for them because my skills are le crap. ^^;;;;;;;;;;
Oh hey, I beat the Crisis Core optional boss too thanks too my stock of Phoenix Downs. (This was before getting the 99 from her.)
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Post by HJ on Feb 1, 2010 17:47:54 GMT -5
There's a statue of limitations on spoilers, though. I think the common internet etiquette is 2-3 years, but it varies from place to place.
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Post by ausdoerrt on Feb 1, 2010 18:45:01 GMT -5
The ark summon wasn't useless. It saved my ass too many a time in the last few battles. Plus it looks cool. Also IIRC there's other things you can get from him instead, so it's not really a problem. He was also pretty easy to beat...
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Post by Red Hairdo on Feb 2, 2010 8:40:17 GMT -5
Yes.
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Post by Yakra on Feb 2, 2010 9:29:07 GMT -5
I usually try to beat the optional bosses, or atleast the ones in the games I really like. ...Or rather, I used to. :/ But for the last year and a half, my attention span seems to be waning. :'D Anyways, unlike wyrdwad and HJ, I actually prefer optional bosses which require grinding. Or.... even if they need strategy to best, if grinding can overcome that, I shall be all over them! I... no wants to break me brains and fingers on strategic fighting and dodgings. (Kind of like Sephiroth in Kingdom Hearts II. D: Couldn't even beat him on easy! DDD: ) About Mr. O and Mr. H from FFIX, I actually found Mr. H incredibly easy. Incredibly! I stumbled onto him the first time, and very easily poofed him from existance. O, on the otherhand, was quite a pain. I remember when going through one of me walkthroughs, I found a way that made him an ultimate pushover to beat? The last time I replayed FFIX though, I couldn't quite remember what it was though, and so got me own rear kicked. :'D .....Was it that.... meeting those odd 'friendly monsters' made him a total pushover? Or was it some accessory arrangement...? :\ The MOST masochistic optional boss I have EVER fought though, has to be Mr. Y from FFXII. Bosses are hard, horrid, and tough, buuuuuuuut~ none have ever taken me as long as Y! After that, I didn't even want to think of attempting the other two dragons! D:
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Post by HJ on Feb 2, 2010 9:47:45 GMT -5
I just don't get why someone would want to throw several hours of their life away on the most boring pastime in existence (i.e. grinding) when you could just watch a Youtube video of someone beating the boss and essentially get the same experience.
Well, each to his own I guess. Or her own, in this case.
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Post by Yakra on Feb 2, 2010 11:30:17 GMT -5
I'm weird? No, but really, somehow, I.... can never bring myself to watch a youtubed version of something. It.... doesn't give me the same feeling of satisfaction? Of 'I did it! Har har nyar! '. Almost feels like cheating infact. Well, really, I usually always have attempted the optional bosses of games I actually liked. So grinding for me isn't really.... wasting some hours of my life. It feel more like I'm spending more time with characters I love, and I can somehow delay the inevitable end that has to come by in the.... end( ). Did that make any sense at all? :'D (And grinding is preferred more to strategy because.... I'm just plain horrid when it comes to timed dodging and such stuffs.) (At some points though, grinding CAN become quite obnoxious, even for me. Such as grinding to beat the final boss in FFXII: Revenant Wings, while aiming for the true, complete ending. :'''''D)
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Post by ausdoerrt on Feb 2, 2010 13:02:16 GMT -5
Well, HJ, some people even go as far as liking MMOs. Opinions vary, I guess.
Nu!, you're sort of making sense, but "strategy" and "timed reaction" imho are quite different. For example, Kangaxx in BG2 is 90% strategy 10% timing, while Dalky in Ys1 is 10% strategy 90% timing. I prefer the former over the latter.
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Post by schlagwerk on Feb 2, 2010 13:44:31 GMT -5
Also, if we're listing the hardest optional bosses we've ever beaten... for me, it was Culex in Super Mario RPG. And nowadays, if I were to play Super Mario RPG, I'd probably just skip him, as he was WAY too hard. I still have a save on my SMRPG cart at Culex so I can replay that fight whenever. My characters aren't max level (I haven't even gone into Bowser's Castle yet, I don't think), but I hoarded every Rock Candy in the game to that point and the first 5-10 rounds (if I'm lucky with Freebies) are Mario and Mallow spamming Rock Candies while the Princess heals. By the time you run out, most of the crystals are dead or near dead. After that Mario and Mallow cover enough elemental weaknesses to defeat the remaining crystals and Culex is a joke without them.
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Post by HJ on Feb 2, 2010 15:37:01 GMT -5
Well, HJ, some people even go as far as liking MMOs. Opinions vary, I guess. Liar.... Liar! LIIIIAAAAARRRRRRRR
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Post by ausdoerrt on Feb 2, 2010 18:38:45 GMT -5
I dunno, it sort of does. If you time it wrong, you'll either not hit him at all, or get trapped b/w holes of sure death. I guess maybe he's easier if you go into options and fix the framerate speedup problem, which I was unaware of ))) No really, look at all the people willing to pay $15+ monthly for exclusive grinding rights ^_______^
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Post by schlagwerk on Feb 2, 2010 18:51:57 GMT -5
Ooooh, I finally was able to come up with an optional boss that I actually consider difficult: Ys VI's Majunun, especially on Nightmare. Limited healing, increasing grind time in order to level up, and you can dodge most of the attacks leading you to almost think you can win until Majunun starts throwing out 6 missile barrages.
To make it even harder, the missiles don't even have contrails on the PS2 version.
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Post by ausdoerrt on Feb 3, 2010 1:33:02 GMT -5
Talking about optional bosses, didn't Ruins of Amnesia have a particularly nasty one? The whole talk about "run in, get treasure, run out" somehow reminded me of the silly thing.
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Post by ausdoerrt on Feb 3, 2010 2:05:06 GMT -5
Oh whoops, looks like I confused the Ark with the OiF once again ^___~
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Post by Red Hairdo on Feb 3, 2010 4:23:40 GMT -5
Majunun is nuts on non-Time Attack (and without cheats etc., of course). I beated it on the PSP version on Normal on lv53 (lv55, 56 or above is really, REALLY recommended), but only after attempting about 4 hours straight to kill it. Or was it 6...? Anyway, it was hard as hell. Now, I'm still grinding away to be able to beat it on Nightmare (PS2 version). It. Takes. AGES. To get to level 60 + 999 HP (without Emelas Armor and Crown, at least the latter). I got to lv55, but really, it's pretty... unviable to beat him on that level on Nightmare; he gains 2 deadly extra skills, and his statuses really improved. I think I'll try to beat him again on lv57 to see how it goes. But I already know lv60 would be ideal (maximum level). I even made a topic about it. xD I also talked loads about it in the Spam thread around March 2009 (battle strategy etc.).
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