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Post by Legerdemain on Oct 25, 2005 13:25:52 GMT -5
and HEY, the OTHER Ys games, such as The Dawn Of Ys, and The Mask Of The Sun, were translated and the patches were indeed released! Where's the logic in that?! Falcom should've been on our case by now!! Fear Falcom, for they want to hold up a lawsuit against us for the Ys IV translations! You can't compare that. I don't think that Falcom went after the Ys VI translator for no apparent reason. Like it has been said before, if Falcom would have done nothing it could easily have hurt their relationship with Konami, and what good does come out of that? Furthermore, the SNES and PCE installments of the series isn't really commarcially viable as of today, so it is not like they are losing any income because of those translations. So, I find it pretty natural that those translations are not of high priority of things to deal with. Furthermore, even though the patch might encourage some die-hard fans of Ys to import the game... it will also probably encourage an uncountable amount of people to download the game and apply the patch. So, to sum it all up: I find it pretty self explaining why Falcom have bothered at all with the translation of Ys VI.
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Post by FM-77AV on Oct 25, 2005 14:02:03 GMT -5
Legerdemain: "FÖR"? You Swedish scum!
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Post by Legerdemain on Oct 25, 2005 14:05:14 GMT -5
Like it's been said before, it can be the downfall of a community. I dunno... I may not be a valuable member of this community, but I can't see myself staying someplace I'm just gonna be irritable and, I probably won't drop the patch issue anytime soon either. I mean... getting people's hopes up and crushing them like that... -_- Yes, I agree... it was unecessary to bring it up, telling people that the patch was more or less finished, that is. Really. But it's out there, nonetheless. Nothing can be done about that very fact. Best thing is just to accept things the way they are and concentrate on all other good things related to Ys (or anything at all, for that matter). In the end what will be, will be. There is a new Ys OVA coming up. Ys Strategy. Ys Online. Hold on to that for a while, maybe?
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Post by Legerdemain on Oct 25, 2005 14:05:58 GMT -5
Legerdemain: "FÖR"? You Swedish scum! *LOL*
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Post by Ryle on Oct 25, 2005 14:33:27 GMT -5
I cant wait for the New Ys Anime. I wonder which game it will be based on??
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Post by Brocksketchum on Oct 25, 2005 17:50:49 GMT -5
Yeah, and a new Ys soundtrack too.
Quote from RPGFan: [/u] In other Ys-related news, Sasaki expressed his desire to bring the newest Ys title, Ys: The Oath of Felghana to America if possible. He will be in talks with Falcom in the coming weeks to see if it is a possibility. There is also a new Ys anime being worked on, and a new Ys soundtrack in production, but little is known about the latter, except that it will do something "new" with the music.Link: E3: Konami Talks Future of Ys[/color][/quote] I heard this from another topic long ago. Can't put my thumb on it, though. I wonder how many months it takes to make one episode of any anime series.
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Post by Haven on Oct 26, 2005 0:27:12 GMT -5
Hmmmm....
I guess the patches will be released to the public WHEN the official companies involved would have little to no profit from their products (like the other Ys games which had their patch released).
LOL That'd take years ^^
Still, we already got Ys VI in English for the PS2 and later the PSP. Shouldn't we be over with that now?
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Post by zeomare on Oct 26, 2005 0:58:47 GMT -5
Hmmmm.... Still, we already got Ys VI in English for the PS2 and later the PSP. Shouldn't we be over with that now? no never i do not have a ps2 and i like the PC version, I think it looks better for the PC then the PSP. so us PC only users are kinda left out in the cold on this one, maybe someday the patch will accidently slip and get released and i will be able to enjoy it in english. chris
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Post by Legerdemain on Oct 26, 2005 5:06:21 GMT -5
Dude, it'd be an official copy of OiF for American audiences... that can ONLY be a GOOD thing. I wouldn't knock it! -Tom Well, it's a good thing if they will manage to make a decent port. I will however not support the not so good port of Ys VI for the PS2, though. It would feel rather odd to me to pay for a game I already own, just to play it in MUCH lower FPS (people have told me that it has jerky scrolling), not as good graphics, strange looking american-ish pre-rendered cutscenes (them I really don't think suites the game) and everything else that comes along with it (the extra dungeon and the voice acting may be a good thing, I don't really know). What's a bit odd here is that I don't really bother about the english translation in this very case, which I normally would... but not this very time. Strange. Anyways... I also am a bit sceptical concerning how the market will react. A majority of the market has not played the Windows original of Ys VI, and the majority have probably not played an Ys title for years. If they are greeted with a not so good port... how does that make them feel concerning the series in its whole? At least they could have tried a bit harder to get the game to run smooth. It's not like the PS2 lacks the power. Here in Sweden the game is supposedly out since September the 16th. I don't know if it is just me, but I am yet to see it in ANY stores. To be honest, I looked at the releaselists over at Sonys, releaselists in the stores and even asking the people in the stores, and they knew nothing of the game... I think they have done a wonderful job promoting the game, making people aware of its existence, not... but online stores seem to have the game, though. I mean, think of it... why should a new game in a series, a series which the last time it saw a release here in Sweden was the very first Ys game for the SMS (and that is over 15 years ago) be bought by anyone if they don't even know that the game exists? I wonder if it even has sold 100 copies here in Sweden? When Swedish magasine Super Play reviewed the game, like 4 or 5 months before the, to me, now supposed release at September the 16th (I guessed they were going for the, at the time, supposed release in May). they gave the game a really low score. 6 out of 10, I think, if not even lower. So, in combination with a bad review in one of the biggest game magasines in Sweden (and the review was really really small and easy to miss, aswell), a releasedate 4 or 5 months later and no physical shops that has the game... how can it sell? So... concerning Ys VI and it port for the PS2. I think they did a marvelous job making the game fade into obscurity. If they will port YsF, which I find strange concerning how limited the release of Ys VI was, I really do hope they put some trust in the series making an effort at making a good port and throwing in some promotion to back up the sales of the game.
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Post by Haven on Oct 26, 2005 8:02:35 GMT -5
Strange....
Not enough people buy an Ys game that's officially translated for around 15-50 bucks
But a lot import the game for about a hundred (100) bucks especially if there is a complete translation....
Also... I think it's us consumers who control the market so why don't we just do what we want and not think too much (if not at all) about what Falcom (or any other big company who may concern) would do about it?
If they attack us, we'll just say "We pay twice we normally would just to buy your products!!!"
Take fansubbing of animes for example. It's legality is being questioned because of its wide and free distribution. The anime companies can't do much about it because they found out that they would hurt their sales either way - which maybe according to their test, they'll gain more if they let them be.
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Post by FM-77AV on Oct 26, 2005 8:07:24 GMT -5
Consider this - it is illegal to hack software that's not your own unless you've got written permission (or unless the program is open source). There are no exeptions. That's why the patch remains unreleased. Sure, the Ys COMPLETE patch is illegal too, but I don't think Falcom cares about it. Or knows about it. They are linking to that page though, but they probably don't know what it's about.
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Post by Legerdemain on Oct 26, 2005 8:11:23 GMT -5
Strange.... Not enough people buy an Ys game that's officially translated for around 15-50 bucks But a lot import the game for about a hundred (100) bucks especially if there is a complete translation.... Just change the order of the two things you wrote above and you will see why it isn't all that strange... Oh, 530 Swedish kronor was what one had to pay to get YsF to Sweden. Shipping included. An 8CD box included. That's hillariously little money considering what one gets. Around $65, that is. Was it really THAT much more expensive to ship to other places? Then I guess one is pretty lucky, expenses wise, I mean... living here.
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Post by FM-77AV on Oct 26, 2005 8:28:51 GMT -5
Strange.... Not enough people buy an Ys game that's officially translated for around 15-50 bucks But a lot import the game for about a hundred (100) bucks especially if there is a complete translation.... Just change the order of the two things you wrote above and you will see why it isn't all that strange... Oh, 530 Swedish kronor was what one had to pay to get YsF to Sweden. Shipping included. An 8CD box included. That's hillariously little money considering what one gets. Around $65, that is. Was it really THAT much more expensive to ship to other places? Then I guess one is pretty lucky, expenses wise, I mean... living here. That's a lie. It cost me about 1000 SEK to order the game.
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Post by Legerdemain on Oct 26, 2005 8:41:09 GMT -5
Just change the order of the two things you wrote above and you will see why it isn't all that strange... Oh, 530 Swedish kronor was what one had to pay to get YsF to Sweden. Shipping included. An 8CD box included. That's hillariously little money considering what one gets. Around $65, that is. Was it really THAT much more expensive to ship to other places? Then I guess one is pretty lucky, expenses wise, I mean... living here. That's a lie. It cost me about 1000 SEK to order the game. [Updated, had wrong numbers] We were three people thinking about ordering the game, checked the order on the site, contacted Falcom and the total were to land on about 27.000 Yen. That's 9000 Yen per person. 9000 Yen is according to Forex somewhere around 600 Swedish kronor at the moment. So I was a little bit off course. But anyways. However, the order fell through, because as we were about to confirm the order we did realise that we didn't have the money at the time. But I don't see what would have changed the cost. Toll? What on earth would I gain from lying on this very matter? When we did order the limited edition of Ys VI, the Windows version, with the calendar and everything, the total landed on somewhere about 700-750 Swedish kronor per person.
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Post by Ryle on Oct 26, 2005 9:00:00 GMT -5
Dude, it'd be an official copy of OiF for American audiences... that can ONLY be a GOOD thing. I wouldn't knock it! -Tom Well, it's a good thing if they will manage to make a decent port. I will however not support the not so good port of Ys VI for the PS2, though. It would feel rather odd to me to pay for a game I already own, just to play it in MUCH lower FPS (people have told me that it has jerky scrolling), not as good graphics, strange looking american-ish pre-rendered cutscenes (them I really don't think suites the game) and everything else that comes along with it (the extra dungeon and the voice acting may be a good thing, I don't really know). What's a bit odd here is that I don't really bother about the english translation in this very case, which I normally would... but not this very time. Strange. Anyways... I also am a bit sceptical concerning how the market will react. A majority of the market has not played the Windows original of Ys VI, and the majority have probably not played an Ys title for years. If they are greeted with a not so good port... how does that make them feel concerning the series in its whole? At least they could have tried a bit harder to get the game to run smooth. It's not like the PS2 lacks the power. Here in Sweden the game is supposedly out since September the 16th. I don't know if it is just me, but I am yet to see it in ANY stores. To be honest, I looked at the releaselists over at Sonys, releaselists in the stores and even asking the people in the stores, and they knew nothing of the game... I think they have done a wonderful job promoting the game, making people aware of its existence, not... but online stores seem to have the game, though. I mean, think of it... why should a new game in a series, a series which the last time it saw a release here in Sweden was the very first Ys game for the SMS (and that is over 15 years ago) be bought by anyone if they don't even know that the game exists? I wonder if it even has sold 100 copies here in Sweden? When Swedish magasine Super Play reviewed the game, like 4 or 5 months before the, to me, now supposed release at September the 16th (I guessed they were going for the, at the time, supposed release in May). they gave the game a really low score. 6 out of 10, I think, if not even lower. So, in combination with a bad review in one of the biggest game magasines in Sweden (and the review was really really small and easy to miss, aswell), a releasedate 4 or 5 months later and no physical shops that has the game... how can it sell? So... concerning Ys VI and it port for the PS2. I think they did a marvelous job making the game fade into obscurity. If they will port YsF, which I find strange concerning how limited the release of Ys VI was, I really do hope they put some trust in the series making an effort at making a good port and throwing in some promotion to back up the sales of the game. Konami Did the Same thing here in the US. I dont think carried it in the whole state of Minnasota. When i would go around stores asking about it thier like "What the hell is that" Konami Did a piss poor job of advertising Ys VI, if it wasnt for game spot I would have never even know of its exsistance(Befor I joined these fourms). I will say Gamespot did give it a pretty good review. I wish Falcom Would just release thier games in America Themselves or at least choose a company that wont mess with the game. Its almost like Konami wanted the game to flop here. I for One dont think Krapnami is going to port over YsF to PS2 anyways.
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Post by FM-77AV on Oct 26, 2005 9:03:57 GMT -5
Yes, the game cost about 600 SEK, but you didn't include shipping. I ordered the game together with a friend, and we got to pay about 900-1000 SEK each. (Two games, including shipping).
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Post by Legerdemain on Oct 26, 2005 9:24:12 GMT -5
Yes, the game cost about 600 SEK, but you didn't include shipping. I ordered the game together with a friend, and we got to pay about 900-1000 SEK each. (Two games, including shipping). Okay. Research time. This sounds so extremely odd. Here's what I got... "Mail order special price 8,988 Yen (consumer tax postage commission included)" - From the Falcom page, Babelfished. Uhm, the package in itself seems to cost only 7960 Yen, which is about 530kr. The qoute above is probably what applies to Japanese mail-order customers (but it is also the price that I got from Falcom). Falcom simply must have missed out that I wanted to ship my order to Sweden, which eplains why the price they gave me differs so much from what you had to pay. So. Okay. This seems logical. We all that were to order thought it was almost too cheap.
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Post by Gamemusicfreak on Oct 26, 2005 9:33:27 GMT -5
At least Falcom generously makes the games available to overseas fans, I know of some places in Japan that will not provide that service.
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Post by Haven on Oct 26, 2005 18:11:35 GMT -5
Let's wrap it up:
I'd love the patch to be released to the public someway somehow you know.
But when worse comes to worst, I hope then everybody realizes that we were swinging our swords on one another over a freakin game patch ^^
So until something "official" is announced....
*Michael Jackson voice* If you wanna make the world a better place, take a look at yourself and make a change!!!
HEE HEE
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Post by Legerdemain on Oct 26, 2005 19:04:22 GMT -5
Again, the point was not to initiate an all-out bashing against your or the community, and if you watched closely, there were actually a few more involved in this, "whining" that it was going to tear down the community. Just a clarification, since I guess that you are talking about one of my previous posts (if not, then I clarify myself anyways just for the sake of it). [Edited since I wrote "would" instead of "would not", just like last time] I have never said that not releasing the patches, or telling people that they exist, would ever tear down this community. What I did was to describe two occassions when I had watched communities being teared apart. And that I found things like that tiresome (and hoped that something the like WOULD NOT start to grow out of this). I have not whined a bit about the patches... in fact, I find it fantastic that they do exist, and I admire the ones having made them. I am grateful for the patches already out there (Ys IV [PCE], Ys I & II [WIN] and so on), and I would never ever consider demanding or arguing that the patches for Ys VI or YsF should be released. I would also never consider it being "stupid" or "evil" not to release the patches, because I am not the one having made them and they are not my property. If I were to look for me whining about anything related to this, it would be that I wrote that I found it somewhat unecessary to tell that the patches were more or less finished and that by telling that very thing some people would begin to ask for the patches... again and again and again and again. But, that was more of me thinking of the overall consequenses of that being told, than me being annoyed with that being told. Hardly whining. Like I said... there are tons of other things to be happy about... both inside and outside the world of Ys! Why not focus on those things instead of getting upset over something that just is the way it is?
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