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Post by Incog Neato on Nov 1, 2008 8:44:46 GMT -5
And I won't pester you further, although I'd like to, because you're my friend and I feel you're hurting yourself by doing this. I think it's neato that you're attentive and engaged in the political going-ons in your country. Maybe you should came up and voted in my place or something since I totally closed myself off from all the babbling the parties did before the election. XD Apparently, the turn-out for voting was horrible this year. o_O Dunno if it's laziness or if most people are like me and just figure that crap's going to happen regardless of who's in the cabinet. Of course, it helps if people actually voted in the lesser evil. |
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Post by Incog Neato on Nov 1, 2008 10:59:11 GMT -5
I'm not saying he doesn't doubletalk, because he does. And so does Obama. I'm saying that he doesn't PANDER. When he doubletalks, he doesn't really try to hide it. He just does it, and hopes people won't notice. And I respect that. (: You said you wouldn't post again~! :O! |
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Post by Red Hairdo on Nov 1, 2008 12:01:27 GMT -5
Uh...
Wyrdy, I would like to point out just one little thing.
Don't trust any politician of any kind. Ever. =(
They are all about masses manipulation. They all say what people want to hear. They all lie about things. They all are at least more or less false and contraditory here and there. Every politician. At least in the USA and in most, if not every, Latin American countries.
Just... don't trust them. xD Please, don't do it. =(
Hm... on a more ontopic-focused note, that movie called "Fahrenheit"-something was very, very interesting. And shocking. I don't know how the US citizens reacted upon what that movie had shown when it was released.
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Post by Justin on Nov 1, 2008 12:04:30 GMT -5
I disagree. Most conservative Republicans are all about doing what's best for the future, while totally ignoring the present... whereas most liberal Democrats are all about doing what's best for the present, while totally ignoring the future. Neither is the answer. -Tom Conservatives are red neck over traditional religous bastards that think nothing of the people, and everything about the business man. Same bullshit can be said about Democrats too. Listen to how these guys talk? I don't trust a single politician, because they have no real power. I am sorry, but in a world based on money, ran on money, supported by money, it can be truly said that that is the great governing entity. Not some pencil neck suit, that is "voted" based on popularity. Do the research and look at how all these politicians gain money. Look at all the corporate "donations" they all receive. I think the system is completely broken, because most people are not smart enough to educate themselves on politics properly, and it is always a popularity contest. Here in Alberta you vote conservative because you are "Western Canadian". Same goes for the east except they usually vote "Liberal". Its a sham, and I don't support Canada's or the USA's pathetic attempts at a mature, honest, for the people, election. |
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Post by Skeletore has a boner on Nov 1, 2008 12:18:17 GMT -5
I'm not saying he doesn't doubletalk, because he does. And so does Obama. I'm saying that he doesn't PANDER. When he doubletalks, he doesn't really try to hide it. He just does it, and hopes people won't notice. And I respect that.  -Tom A lot of women would disagree that he doesn't pander. |
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Post by macroidtoe on Nov 1, 2008 14:47:05 GMT -5
That's pretty much what my grandfather has always said, and why he's never wanted to move up from the state level to the national level or run for governor -- when you get to that upper level in the spotlight, he says, it's really just all about being a good TV star. Kind of makes you wonder what it was like in the days before mass communication technology, or if it was really all that different.
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Post by Incog Neato on Nov 1, 2008 15:33:56 GMT -5
Here in Alberta you vote conservative because you are "Western Canadian". Same goes for the east except they usually vote "Liberal". Its a sham, and I don't support Canada's or the USA's pathetic attempts at a mature, honest, for the people, election. Let's go communist? That way, we have no say on who gets into office! HUZZAH! |
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Post by clement on Nov 1, 2008 15:50:19 GMT -5
It's never been all that different. Politics as well as everything else has always been full of corruption. The only reason some people feel like it's something recent is simply because they were too young to see it before. What kid doesn't think optimistically of the world he lives in? Just start looking at the worlds history and you'll see always been bad.
I'm not even that old and a lot of the time I'll see people mentioning how things have just now started to get worse...even when it's really no different than it's always been.
I don't really care much for politics myself. I try to get somewhat educated on it merely to have something to talk about if someone really wants to discuss it. Personally though, I don't see how it matters what I would think. Sure I have my own opinions but it's not going to change how the world works. I'm just another person with his own opinion like the other millions out there.
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Post by Yakra on Nov 1, 2008 16:03:10 GMT -5
Here in Alberta you vote conservative because you are "Western Canadian". Same goes for the east except they usually vote "Liberal". Its a sham, and I don't support Canada's or the USA's pathetic attempts at a mature, honest, for the people, election. Let's go communist? That way, we have no say on who gets into office! HUZZAH! And that is a path all countries need to take. X( If not even communism, a working monarchy or dictatorship shall do quite fine. This fussy little 'masses voting' has always seemed like a complete and utter sham to me, for whoever was destined to become the next president/prime minister always does. That aside, both the U.S. presidential candidates this time scare me. :( Quite honestly, I don't give two whits about what they do to their own country, I wish they'd stop eying the eastern nations (or to be more exact, get the ridiculous notion of bombing Pakistan out of their hay-filled heads). |
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Post by Incog Neato on Nov 1, 2008 19:22:12 GMT -5
National pride is one thing, but blind stupidity is another, and I think we (the USA) should leave the world alone and focus on making the US a better place again. Yes, please. Stop going to other nations and joining wars. There should be a "help yourself before helping others" clause that the US should follow. Not saying that Canada is much better but I don't think we throw ourselves at every international scuffle out there the moment it happens. But, I suppose all these international relationship stuffage is due to politics too. :E |
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Post by Red Hairdo on Nov 1, 2008 19:27:24 GMT -5
I'm not even that old and a lot of the time I'll see people mentioning how things have just now started to get worse...even when it's really no different than it's always been. Well, unfortunately not quite this time around: things are really going to be catastrophic this century. Since we still use oil and destroy nature increasingly, we are about to witness changes in the world. First of all, there will be no drinkable water; some say water will be the "new oil". Also global warming is increasing in a pattern so huge, the ozone hole won't be merely a hole anymore, and we will have to stay away from the sun the most we can. Not only that, but with the increase of the global warming many cities over the world will start being covered by water, leading to disastrous results. (The ice from Antarctica and other cold places around the world are constantly melting, and they will totally melt if it keeps going on). Also by destroying forests and natural resources, more deserts are being created; there's a process called desertification which is when forests and the like start becoming deserts, something that is hugely accelerated when the method used to destroy the forest was fire. Fire is a quick tool to massively destroy trees, and is overused in some countries. The problem is that all of this is happening right now at this very moment, and has been so since a few decades ago. Potentially speaking it is something that can be changed if something BIG is done. But nothing big enough is being done. People will start trying to solve the problem when the effects CLEARLY show up, and at that time, nothing will be able to be done anymore. On a more on-topic note, this all is widely linked to politics and politicians. For example, sir BUSH JR. a few years ago had declined an offer at a conference in Tokyo (it was in 2006 or 2007) in which many countries proposed ways to control pollution, mostly caused by industries and the like. Each country presented many plans and projects, and when they all reunited to sign in many contracts among them, that president declined them all. Save the country, but kill the world and humanity (along with the country itself, making his decision extremely contradictory to his argument). That was only one example. There are countless. Perhaps things would have been different if the US had another president? I don't know. Perhaps. Maybe not. We will never know for sure. Now, I personally think both candidates aren't good: like everyone pointed out, we try to vote on the one who is "less bad". So whoever wins, we are *u*ked up. xD Or so it seems to me. But from my point of view, the chances that Obama won't follow Bush's, Bush Jr.'s and many other people's (who ruled that country) "way" are fewer than if McCain wins. Please, note that my thoughts on the candidates are indifferent, as I can't actually cast my vote for any of them. xD But so are my thoughts on that subject. |
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Post by Red Hairdo on Nov 1, 2008 20:55:27 GMT -5
About that, yes, that's what Bush said and he was correct.
But that wasn't only for the US: every country would get economical losses.
It is true, however, that the US is the country which would have greater losses when compared to most of the others. (Due to the country's sovereignty.)
The thing is, many years before that conference all the countries had another meeting. They all agreed, including the US, to make a plan/ project. Each country would be responsible for their own projects, in which envisioned the reduction of pollution in their respective countries, or else humanity would be risked to disappear this century because the way we treat the world.
From there on, it was each countries' government's responsibility to arrange things in order to reduce pollution. It was something economically viable. When there's economy loss it doesn't mean there's economy inviability. It was viable, and the current economy crisis has nothing to do with it, because it mostly, majorly concerns real estate/ landed property issues (which is unrelated to pollution... at a certain degree) and is something that was caused by themselves.
That conference recently held in Tokyo was mostly to "confirm" each countries project. Each country presented their projects, presented what they had planned through that course of years to reduce pollution, and what impacts it would have (to the world, to the economy, etc.). When it was Bush's turn, he simply declined and didn't present anything.
No country wishes to have an economy loss. But there's no point on maintaining an otimized economy when there's... nothing left. We already got this critical.
(It is also suspected that move is a setup for some sort of future conflict, but I can't say much about it or support it with trustwhorthy information.)
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Post by Red Hairdo on Nov 1, 2008 21:01:24 GMT -5
I think we should dance around in loin cloths to Goddesses of Ys and ask for help.  I couldn't agree more. xDDDDDDD |
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Post by Justin on Nov 1, 2008 23:29:18 GMT -5
National pride is one thing, but blind stupidity is another, and I think we (the USA) should leave the world alone and focus on making the US a better place again. Yes, please. Stop going to other nations and joining wars. There should be a "help yourself before helping others" clause that the US should follow. Not saying that Canada is much better but I don't think we throw ourselves at every international scuffle out there the moment it happens. But, I suppose all these international relationship stuffage is due to politics too. :E Yeah seeing how we always get dragged into whatever the Americans are up to. I have friends in Afghanistan looking for the guy who blew up WTC, while there in Iraq because.... well I don't think anyone truly knows. |
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Post by macroidtoe on Nov 1, 2008 23:37:12 GMT -5
Actually, when I was a kid, I thought the entire idea behind having different countries was that it was all a big contest in which every country was trying to take over every other country. Now that I've gotten older... I still kind of believe that's the case, but we're just not so blatantly open about it.  |
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Post by Falcom Director of Fanservice on Nov 2, 2008 6:07:12 GMT -5
Do the research and look at how all these politicians gain money. Look at all the corporate "donations" they all receive. This is very deceptive. When you make a donation to any candidate, you have to list your place of employment. What people will do, when attacking another candidate, is point out how much money X corporation donated to a candidate. But what they do is they add up all of the donations of the employees. It seems impressive with corporation X gave a hundred thousand dollars to candidate Y. But when 95% of it came from janitors, office workers, and mail room clerks and the like, and only 5% came from the upper management and CEOs, well, the stat is a little misleading. So when you're looking for the guy who is the corporate toad, look at individual and high income donors within a corporation. Look at who the CEO and Board of Directors donated to. And not just one candidate, either. Look at all the candidates the donated to, and when they did it (Current events do influence these things). And if you can, trace the PACs and 527s they gave money to. This is hard to do, they are intentionally made to obfuscate such things. |
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Post by Falcom Director of Fanservice on Nov 2, 2008 9:14:59 GMT -5
Man, we had a lot of fun with that one on the third debate night at Something Awful. I wasn't watching TV, just listening to it, and missed it completely. =]
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Post by Incog Neato on Nov 4, 2008 6:19:39 GMT -5
"I don't want no terrorist Muslim nigger running the country!" (<== could be an actual quote!)
Ugh. Why do I have the feeling that most of the voting is based on racial colour?
I think what we need are unbiased computers doing the voting! They would analyze a crap ton of data based on policies, economic trends, laws and crap and then all the promises the candidates make and figure out who should be president from that.
But! There are flaws to this, of course, such as, well, humans do all the programming and data insertion!
Sigh.
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Post by clement on Nov 4, 2008 7:11:31 GMT -5
A lot of people have been hoping that Obamas race would work against him in the election. The so-called Bradley Effect (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bradley_Effect) is what some Republicans hope will alter what the polls are showing now.
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Post by Justin on Nov 4, 2008 19:54:22 GMT -5
Isnt the election today???
FUCK YEAH NO MORE PRESIDENT BUSH!!!!!!!
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