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Post by Justin on Nov 5, 2008 1:50:27 GMT -5
ok so the Trillions of dollars your government is in debt to the Banks for Mr. Bush's "War on Terror" (sounds like something from GI Joe), has had NO EFFECT on the economy? Sorry but I find that ignorant, and hard to believe.
"Die-hard Republicans will tell you"
I don't listen to any Die-Hards opinions, as they are always biased.
And to answer you question on behalf of my entire country: Yes were very happy.
Bah this politics crap annoys me, lets get back to chatting about videogames, anime, and other nerdy things. Now that's good stuff to argue about!
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Post by FM-77AV on Nov 5, 2008 4:20:37 GMT -5
Gore War. That could be the name of a video game.
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Post by Incog Neato on Nov 5, 2008 6:11:40 GMT -5
:) We've been on "Yes, we can!" for so long. Now it's time for "Yes, we will!", "Yes, we do!" and eventually... "Yes, we have!" <3 I'm truly glad, for once, to live in this country. I dunno. I'm still sort of indifferent on the reason of the result. I think that a lot of the pro-Obama votes were probably colour votes, especially blacks. I think that if Obama was, I dunno, more Vietnamese than black, the voter turn-out for him wouldn't have been so large. :P I'm still one of those silly folks that believes that party affiliation voting and, this time around, racial voting played a big part this time around. I just hope that most people really did put in a ballot based on his beliefs and eventual practices he'll put into place. But hey, now that the election's over, I guess this doesn't really matter anymore. We'll just have to sit back and see how much of the stuff he can actually do. |
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Post by MonoTekETeA on Nov 5, 2008 10:12:48 GMT -5
He is isn't even black, there is 45% arab blood running through him from what I heard.
I don't really care, my mother was a heavy supporter of McCain in the later bit of the election because she said that Obama wasn't really answering any of his questions, and when he did, it was something that she didn't agree with at all.
I simply looked at medical, because I can live with out anything but that, and I was more for McCain's medical policy then Obama. With Obama, I will be on some list waiting for things to happen, meanwhile with McCain's, people would just be getting assistance (Something I still don't agree with) but there would still be companies competing with each other. This would keep insurance cheap and results fast.
The first time I go to get some bit of health care with this plan enacted, and I don't get what I need, I am out. I hear horror stories from up in Canada all the time, whether ya'll can confirm them or not. Like how some people, when they need the action right then, need to cross the boarder into America, and will pay the extra money, just because they can't wait that long.
::Shrugs:: We'll see, Soldiers have an inexperienced man leading them, hopefully Obama listens to his advisers and not his heart. If he even thinks about sending soldiers someplace else during a different conflict...I'll be pissed.
But I won't really judge to the end, because there is nothing that can be done now. Here's to Obama making some good decicsions, and increasing our international look with Europe, The Eastern Countries, South America, and India, with out getting suckered into anything stupid by some people like North Korea, Venezuela, Iran, etc. Because there was a reason they wanted him in the white house, and that isn't because they think they can work with him in making the world a better place. Like earlier ::Shrugs::
-Jeremy
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Post by Musa-Revived on Nov 5, 2008 10:56:50 GMT -5
Gonna be my only post here (I guess). Since I have no idea about what American politics is all about, living my whole life in Asia and all that.
And what is with the Arab blood thing? Isn't Obama's dad a Kenyan? How's that Arabian or am I totally ignorant about Middle Eastern people?
Anyhow, here's my heartfelt thoughts on all these as an Asian. I don't mean to offend any American here, nor do I claim to represent the people around me, so just hear me out with a pinch of salt and forget about it the next day.
Ok, here goes.
"Hmm I remember Clinton and whatsherface? Monica? Oh you mean what he did as President? Hmm, dunno America seems like a fine place with a strong currency. Damn people must be rich there. Clinton's a fine guy I suppose, don't recall any wars around his time. Oh there's quite a few hollywood movies during his time depicting presidents as war heroes or something, like Independence Day. The Americans must like their President huh.
Who's next? Bush was it? Hmm, don't know much about him, no scandal or anything. But that thing with the Iraq war? Bad thing, I'd hate it if the Americans suddenly decided to put troops in my region for no bloody reason. Then again, they're middle eastern, where all the terrorists are. Guess they deserved it huh.
Oh, what else he did as President? Dunno, except movies keep portraying the President as some silly man. And I keep hearing knock knock jokes about how he speaks without thinking. So that's America's President huh. Doesn't matter, they got huge armies waiting to bust up terrorists so I guess that means something.
Now, what's all this about an Obama and a McCain? Whoa, he looks... African American. The other guy's some white haired geezer. Okay... well at least Obama looks smart, young and I kinda like his deep and smooth voice. Hmm, dun really care about McCain. I mean even the name "Barack Obama" has impact.
Wait hold on, hold on, who's this Sarah Palin? Is she a relative to Michael Palin? haha. But she's kinda nice... (milf alert!!!! cough cough) now we're talking. But I still kinda prefer Obama though..."
And... finish.
So there you have it, my darkest and deepest thoughts that ran through my mind while I wrote this as a genuinely ignorant Asian who has no idea and doesn't really give a damn about politics half the globe away.
And I'm gonna run before people start throwing pies.
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Post by Justin on Nov 5, 2008 17:25:18 GMT -5
The "war on terror" was inevitable. If Gore or Kerry were president, it still would've happened. And it probably would've happened in pretty much the same way. People call it Bush's war, but I think that's only because Bush was the man in office when 9/11 happened. If Gore were the man in office, I fully believe the war would've still happened, would still be going on exactly as it is now, and would be known as "Gore's war." The circumstances might have been different... but SOME sort of war would've still happened. It's what the public wanted (if you think back to 2001, it really is what the vast majority of American people wanted, too!). -Tom Um I merely pointed out the serious financial repercussions of the war, not who started it or why. There has been a "Terror" problem for many generations, and the reasons are paramount. The process of being in that war has cost alot of cash man, American taxes. That money could be better spent imo. I just don't understand Wall Street needing a "bail out" package, and yet the government is spending billions a month on a war that has produced no results. Yeah Hussein is out, but no WMD's and no Osama. When you get a shitty burger at Mcdonalds, you get your money back right? Well nobody got what Bush promised with his Desert Storm 2.0 project. |
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Post by Justin on Nov 5, 2008 18:50:10 GMT -5
Oh dude, I am not even going to touch that issue. Pulling out or staying in is a problem we have here too, and there is no good answer. I just hope in the end, everything was for a just cause.
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Post by Falcom Director of Fanservice on Nov 5, 2008 19:57:26 GMT -5
Die-hard Republicans will tell you that the good economy during the Clinton years was actually due to Ronald Reagan's trickle-down effect kicking in. I'm not sure if I believe that either, though... Here's a way to think about it. Following that logic, it is pretty easy to imply that any success Reagan had is due to Carter's policies. And that George HW Bush's general failures in that regard are due to Reagan's policies. The preceding policies game is a pretty deceptive one, and really doesn't hold up to actual scrutiny. As far as presidents affecting the economy, one doesn't need direct influence on the economy to kill or bolster investor confidence, or influence people to spend or save. [quote author=nunuu board=generaldiscussion thread=3917 post=75838 time=1225883500 I dunno. I'm still sort of indifferent on the reason of the result. I think that a lot of the pro-Obama votes were probably colour votes, especially blacks. I think that if Obama was, I dunno, more Vietnamese than black, the voter turn-out for him wouldn't have been so large.  [/quote] Counterpoint: Racists voting against Obama because he is black. Several members of my family did this. =[ Also there is the "Oh hell not Palin" vote and "Not another Republican vote!" vote. (which do not have as much overlap as you might expect, Palin disgusted a lot of Republican-leaning independents and a quantity of Republicans), as well as Obama being an inspirational candidate who got a number of people to genuinely want to vote for him rather than against the other guy. He's another way to think of it. Were Obama white, would he have had more or less problems, and more or less votes? Would there have been nearly as much "There's something I don't trust about him..." sentiment? Race was a factor, but it's hardly deciding. Blacks are called a minority for a reason, and it's not because they are numerous. My county has one of the most black-heavy populations in the state, and we only went to McCain by a small percentage. |
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Post by Ascended Mermaid on Nov 5, 2008 19:59:47 GMT -5
All of this makes me glad that I've *left* a Republican-heavy state.
// It's just a bonus, but a sweet bonus!
// Otherwise, I'd be surrounded by people a bunch of ignorant fucking morons calling *me*, a working class white american, a "nigger", simply because I voted for an intellectual black american (which says alot more than my past dealings with the racist redneck fuckers down where I came from)
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Post by Red Hairdo on Nov 5, 2008 20:00:20 GMT -5
(Commenting only about the election outcome) So, Obama won. I'll be observing his "reign"... This guy, maybe he won't follow all these US doutrines like most or all US presidents did until now (since Monroe's, I mean)... Hm. Please Obama, please, be... a different ruler. A good one. And I hope, I hope the actual presidents aren't just for show. (As in, who actually governs the country is the government itself and not actually the president). Aah, enough speculation (and paranoia?). Let's wait and see. xD ==================== Also, I clap my hands to Unsavory, to what he said around the 5th page or so, about human "races".  Very well said. Afterall, the biological truth is that there is only one human race. "Black", "White", "Yellow" and the like are not races. Race is when there's actually a biologic difference. It's like Pitbull and Bulldog: two different things. Humans, on the other hand, are all the same. They are Homo Sapiens. One musn't judge others by how they look, and sometimes not even by how they act. It's foolish. =/ Also that Hitler comparison you made was very well positioned. Let's learn from history. |
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Post by Ascended Mermaid on Nov 5, 2008 20:08:57 GMT -5
I can actually relate to the very people that neo nazi extremists scorn, having grown up (and spent half of my life) in a majority hispanic neighborhood where any american that isn't hispanic, is often viewed as the antichrist. It's been a long time now, but I'm still recovering and doing my best to forgive hispanic supremacists, so that I don't pass on or continue to pass an ignorant bias on another people who have also been unfairly grouped together (by language, culture and color) which so happen to be just as respectable as every other *person*.
// I'm also battling against myself and my own sexist propaganda in the same way, as I've grown to see a lot of scrutiny, anger and hatred from female supremacists which I am working hard on forgiving. I know I can't do this overnight.
Supremacist groups often spawn more supremacist groups; they are one of the major causes of what they wish to eliminate. A vicious cycle.
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Post by Falcom Director of Fanservice on Nov 5, 2008 20:46:43 GMT -5
Maggot's post makes me smile. =]
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Post by Skeletore has a boner on Nov 5, 2008 22:41:44 GMT -5
Homo Sapiens Sapiens*
Because Homo Sapien includes Cro-Magnus as well.
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Post by Ascended Mermaid on Nov 5, 2008 22:43:09 GMT -5
Exactly. It wasn't my intent to slam republicans, but rather the hate-mongers that happened to be republicans.
I know that G.W. Bush came from Texas, but it's become a place I don't exactly look back on or even consider as it once was "home". Not because "all" people from Texas are bad, but because perhaps due to yet another bias of mine, I have grown fearful of due to the majority of racists, et al.; and to this day, I relentlessly and ignorantly use terms like "redneck" and "imbred" to get my point across when describing a people who I consider to be (in the majority of) ignorant racist neo nazis. I do not mean to imply that *all* people from Texas are bad either, but somehow I, as a hypocrite, still lump them together as so in my mind. Perhaps one day I will forgive them too, and work against my bias toward Texans. Given I have fairly "recent history" (yay, oxymorons!) this too, will not happen overnight.
// One of my sisters is a republican, but she is not a hate monger. (Not that I know of, at least.)
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Post by macroidtoe on Nov 6, 2008 1:02:07 GMT -5
Afterall, the biological truth is that there is only one human race. I've always thought we should be thankful for this fact, since it gives us the luxury of being able to profess values like equality and tolerance. I've always wondered what things might be like if the various subgroups of humanity had remained in isolation longer and had the time to evolve significant biological differences. Might screw with the functionality of our ideals a bit. |
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Post by Justin on Nov 6, 2008 1:04:56 GMT -5
I think we need to start thinking a little more collectively as a race, and less individually. While I am all for independence, too much importance is placed on outrages individual thought. Too much spam in the greater scheme of things if you ask me.
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Post by Falcom Director of Fanservice on Nov 6, 2008 2:23:56 GMT -5
Independent thought isn't the problem so much as selfishness and short-sightedness, really.
Or, in the most succinct summary I've seen, the problem is "Fuck you, I got mine".
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Post by Incog Neato on Nov 6, 2008 10:18:54 GMT -5
He's another way to think of it. Were Obama white, would he have had more or less problems, and more or less votes? Would there have been nearly as much "There's something I don't trust about him..." sentiment? Race was a factor, but it's hardly deciding. Blacks are called a minority for a reason, and it's not because they are numerous. My county has one of the most black-heavy populations in the state, and we only went to McCain by a small percentage. Yeah but every vote counts, right? I keep hearing that this election had the biggest turn-out of blacks + other minorities. Were Obama white, I think the race (in terms of electorial votes) may have been closer because those colour voters wouldn't have come out. :/ And we probably wouldn't have seen the biggest batch of voters since 19-whatever it was. Well, in order to prove this theory, we'd have to invoke an alternate reality! :O As for racism, people need to get over the whole ego thing. >_< There is no WE ARE BETTER THAN YOU BECAUSE YOU AREN'T < insert colour/cultural background here > in this world, dammit. >:( Curse you xenophobes too! And you people that blame immigrants for your loss of jobs!! GRAR! |
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Post by Ascended Mermaid on Nov 6, 2008 11:09:58 GMT -5
Thank you. This is a point that really can't be stretched enough; especially considering that nothing we can say or do will really change their destructive opinions.
// To elaborate, it's an impossible fight; but one worth fighting. Why should anyone have to hide in fear of these groups? "Ists" are the true parasites, as long as they insist that they're right and beat up anyone who says otherwise, there's not much of a chance for this world to regroup and become the "let's hold hands" unity fairyland that people such as Dr. Martin Luther King himself has dreamt of. There should seriously be a law against "being a part of a racist/sexist/otherwise organization, regardless of its privacy or region". There's a word for that. Terrorism.
// It'd be less impossible if legally, we could fight the war on terror right here at home, within our own borders. Those who try to strike down humanity because of their ill-conceived ideal that one has to have this and that to be perfect; there is no this or that when it comes to humanity.
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Post by Falcom Director of Fanservice on Nov 6, 2008 11:43:21 GMT -5
It's not an impossible fight, combatting racism, but it's one we won't win within our generation.
Time and people unscarred by the past coming of age, while the older and more die-hard racists pass away, slowly will heal out the wounds. That's part of what made Obama's victory as amazing as it is; things like segregation are still in living memory. Not too many decades ago, Obama would have been a second class citizen; and there are a lot of people alive who remember this and buy into this mentality (My otherwise-saintly grandparents, for instance, but that is another story).
I'm confident, as the world becomes more and more interconnected racism will fall more and more to the wayside over time. We probably won't live to personally see it, but it wouldn't surprise me, when I'm 70, to hear people my age look to this era the same way we look at the segregation era, and to look at the segregation era the same way we look at the slavery era.
One thing that amused me, leading into the election, and one thing I want to see some numbers on after the election are the number of people who were racist and voted for Obama anyways. During the lead-up, I would hear all kinds of stories about people who would say they were convinced Obama was a Muslim (and that this was a bad thing) and would call him racial slurs causally, then say they were going to vote for him anyways because they trusted him more than McCain due to a certain issue (usually the economy or Vice Presidential choice)
I am curious to hear how many followed through on that.
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Very well said.
