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Post by AllenSmithee on Nov 16, 2008 11:33:08 GMT -5
Now this may sound dumb. I'm in the midst of a monetary crisis, and I don't see it dying down any time soon. So I was wondering if I were to pirate would you guys lose face in me? I almost always buy my games eventually, or delete the game until I do. I did that for the Ayreon albums I don't have yet, and then forgot which was pretty surprising. Anyways, just wondering if you guys are cool with that kinda thing...
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Post by Incog Neato on Nov 16, 2008 11:41:19 GMT -5
Uh, we openly talk about pirating around here and there are some that are even proud to say that they support the Jolly Roger system!
For me, it depends. For games, I download to try things out or to get out of print stuff. For music, I do it to sample albums or specific tunes or I'm just too lazy to buy them. :P
Oh, and I don't believe in the silliness of the whole "it's okei to download copyrighted material for free as long as you delete it after 24 hours". 9_9 That's almost like saying it's okei to steal something as long as you put it back afterwards.
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Post by AllenSmithee on Nov 16, 2008 11:54:20 GMT -5
Well, I just try to buy it afterwards if I like it enough. If I don't like it enough to pay obsene import money or something they've at the very least gained a fan, and I wouldnt've bought it anyways.
It is good to know I won't get in shit if I mention that I downloaded X game or whatever. (I was mostly talking about Ys, although, like I said, I really, really, really wanna buy them later. Especially with the awesome packaging!)
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Post by Kimimi on Nov 16, 2008 11:56:10 GMT -5
The following is my personal thoughts on piracy. It is not a comment on anyone here (basically, don't take this personally - and "you" isn't referring to anyone in particular).
Kittens do not die every time somebody burns a Radiant Silvergun iso, but at the same time I don't want to hear your sob story. There are a lot of things people can't afford and they just have to get on with it and not have them. You are entitled by international law to a job, education and health care. Not being able to afford a game, even if it's one you *really* want, does not give you the right to burn it.
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Post by Incog Neato on Nov 16, 2008 12:08:23 GMT -5
It is good to know I won't get in shit if I mention that I downloaded X game or whatever. (I was mostly talking about Ys, although, like I said, I really, really, really wanna buy them later. Especially with the awesome packaging!) I was wondering why this thread was in the Falcom forum! For their stuff, it's probably a good idea to keep a look out for their weekly specials since you can usually get AMAZING packaged deals. Check out seldane.proboards107.com/index.cgi?board=falcom&action=display&thread=1163Thing is though, if you buy direct from Falcom, expect to pay at least $20 US for shipping. However, the one cool thing about Falcom is that they declare a really tiny value on the goods which means you'll most likely pay NOTHING for taxes and duty fees. XD I think they also mark "Gift" on the package. I believe they're not supposed to do that though. Ufufufuu~!!!! |
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Post by Yakra on Nov 16, 2008 13:08:57 GMT -5
I'm quite ok with piracy. I think? It would be nice if everyone was able to buy original games everywhere, but since only pirated stuff are easily available here... peh.  Getting one's hands on originals here is a pain and a bother, usually involving begging game shops to get them for you, or paying exorbitant prices for shipping and customs when buying online (in the middle of which the Post Office people usually just steal your stuff). So.... its far more convenient to just... pirate and then buy if one really, really liked (or has money to spare!).  It is good to know I won't get in shit if I mention that I downloaded X game or whatever. (I was mostly talking about Ys, although, like I said, I really, really, really wanna buy them later. Especially with the awesome packaging!) Just a word of warning in case you ever pirate Ys I and II Complete - maybe it was just me and my retarded computer and Windows, but somehow no pirated copy that I got my hands on worked perfectly. (So if you don't have that, and plan to get it, then... with a pirated copy you might run into the same troubles too?) The original one I got from adoru though, works absolutely amazingly. (And adoru was really cheap too! Incredibly affordable! Perhaps you should keep an eye on his thread too? [Erm... sorry adoru, that I keep talking about your amazing games :'D]) |
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Post by AllenSmithee on Nov 16, 2008 13:30:40 GMT -5
Y'know I should set up a little "piggy bank" for myself to save for one of those deals when they come around. That'd be wicked slicked.
I played through Ys I-II Complete before with a burnt copy and it worked fine. Funny thing though, was that I just wanted to check if it would work on my computer in case I ever bought it. I ended up playing through Ys I AND II in one day.
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Post by Ascended Mermaid on Nov 16, 2008 13:30:37 GMT -5
I never pirate without intending to support whomever I pirated from. However, if I didn't like what I downloaded, then I won't buy it and I'll simply delete the file. That's what I *like* about pirating. You don't have to waste your money on something you don't know whether or not you'll like.
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Post by Ascended Mermaid on Nov 16, 2008 23:28:08 GMT -5
I never pirate without intending to support whomever I pirated from. However, if I didn't like what I downloaded, then I won't buy it and I'll simply delete the file. That's what I *like* about pirating. You don't have to waste your money on something you don't know whether or not you'll like. You stole my post!  Thief! You got rid of "fucking Nago"! ...! |
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Post by Justin on Nov 17, 2008 0:46:46 GMT -5
No he meant loose face, its a Canadian saying I guess, because I only hear it up here.
I don't really care, its not my issue to gripe over. If I was in a position where it affected me than yeah I would have a viable opinion, but I am trying to better myself as a human being, by avoiding the announcement of my opinion on matters that don't involve my direct personal relation. In other words... I am minding my own business.
You will find there is many different opinions here, but we are all very open minded and respectful, so make sure to be the same. No one looks down on anyone here for anything, plus the grand master, head honcho, emperor of the board is somewhat of an "enthusiast" so I wouldn't worry.
We are all more concerned with the actual video game discussions, not how the video games are attained.
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Post by Justin on Nov 17, 2008 1:17:46 GMT -5
No to "Loose Face" is like breaking your word. You can't look someone in the face and feel you can trust them, if that makes any sense. Were all big on "your word" and personal trust up here.
Loose Face is something you bug your buddies about... um for doing their lady friends a favor. We also call it numb tongue ha ha (No offense ladies!!)
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Post by Kimimi on Nov 17, 2008 1:24:18 GMT -5
We have the phrase "saving face" or "to save face" here. It's to do with protecting your dignity and not looking bad in the eyes of others.
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Post by psybuster on Nov 17, 2008 2:31:24 GMT -5
I don't really care either way. Even if everyone does disapprove, there's still no way to physically stop one from doing so as it stands. No offense to anyone intended, but it does give me a good chuckle though when people do try to pirate something and can't even figure out how to get it to work *cough*YsVIPatchThread*cough* Also reminds me of the days when so many people complained that they couldn't get on the boat in Deus Ex, which is a "glitch" that pretty much only happened to pirated copies. Dead giveaway and it was fun to laugh at people who didn't realize it  Yeah, making fun of people is wrong but I'll admit I have pretty much nothing better to do at the moment >_> |
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Post by Wanderer From Ys on Mar 20, 2009 21:11:42 GMT -5
I'm ok with pirating stuff that can no longer be bought new. Download Radiant Silvergun all you want, Treasure doesn' make any money off of Ebay sales.
I'm indifferent toward piracy in general, because for the most part I don't think it's widespread enough to make a difference, meaning I don't think every download is a lost sale. Some people buy it anyway, some weren't going to buy it regardless. I think it balances out.
I only get angry when people pirate from small companies such as Falcom. The majority of their games don't make it out of Japan as it is, and the only way we are going to get more games is if the current ones has decent sales.
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Post by oath on Mar 20, 2009 22:51:28 GMT -5
I dont really care about the matter of pirating. I pirate JPN exclusive games and such because I really dont like to import and I cant read JPN... BUT, if the game I pirated happened to be localized I buy it. Example, Ys VI. I wanted it, it was a JPN exclusive so I pirated a copy. Then the PS2 and PSP versions came out overseas.... I bought both.
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Post by SkyeWelse on Mar 21, 2009 0:38:31 GMT -5
Piracy is a sticky subject for me, especially considering that I've grown up around friends of mine who have been very efficient at it. Generally when it comes to gaming, if the item can be bought new or even used without too much trouble, (even if the company is not making money off it anymore) then there is really no reason to not buy it. And if I didn't have enough money at the time to purchase it, or couldn't find it for sale, then I have to make a choice whether to wait it out until I could afford it/find it for sale, or simply download it with the intention of purchasing it later. I've used piracy in the past to try out games to see if I would be interested in them, but I usually don't keep the discs and if I liked the game enough to really get into it, then I've made an effort to always purchase a legitimate copy down the line when it goes on sale. Also, if the game is from a company or game creator that I really like, then I will purchase the game on the day it is released as to help out initial sales for the game. There's actually been some times where I've used piracy as a means of playing and testing a game out early before it is released such as Halo 2 and Panzer Dragoon Orta that was released several weeks before the launch date. But with that being said, I was still there on day one (and even the midnight launch for Halo 2) to pick up my reserved copies from my local gamestop.
As for Ys, I'm not proud to say it, but it was piracy that originally got me into the Ys series. I didn't exactly seek it out and download it myself, but I just so happened to be at a friend's place one day who was showing me a trailer for the soon to be released, Ys VI The Ark of Napishtim for PC. I had never really seen Ys before that point, other than a brief run-in with Wanderers from Ys on the SNES. I was absolutely amazed by what I saw in the Ys VI trailer and my friend said to me, "Oh you like that huh? Well, here's a couple of burned discs with the first two Ys games (I & II complete), one of them even has an English translation for it!" So yeah, I took it and installed it and tried it out. And here I am today still playing tons of Ys games as a big Ys/Falcom fan, but I've long since purchased every Falcom game I've ever played or intended on playing out of respect for how great a company Falcom is. I look at it from the standpoint of, "Do I like these games alot? Do I want the company to do well so that they will be able to stay in business and make more of these awesome games?" If the answer is yes, then that's probably the mentality you should stand by.
Nowadays, the only stuff I tend to pirate are emulated games such as MSX roms/discs, simply because I do not own an MSX system and emulation is one of the few ways that I can play some of these MSX titles in English. But that definitely won't stop me from collecting the originals one day, and some of them I've already begun to collect, for stuff like the PC8801 and PC9801. Sure I don't own the system, but I feel a lot better owning a copy of it at least in some form. : )
I ALMOST had a copy of the original MSX Golvellius, but then it shot up to 200 dollars on eBay and remains to be around 200 dollars on Yahoo Japan. And speaking of Golvellius... For a time, there was a legitimate method of playing various emulated MSX titles translated officially into English by a company called Woomb. However, they went bust and are currently working out details with Project EGG and Amusement Center to offer games that were previously bought by Woomb customers. But for now at least, Golvellius I and Golvellius II that I've purchased for around $8 a piece in emulated form are no longer available to me. So because of that, I don't feel half as bad about downloading Golvellius II in broken Engrish form and finishing it on my own MSX emulation setup. Since I've already bought it once, I see it as collecting what is due to me.
So there you have it folks. Sure piracy is wrong, but at times it can be useful and in Falcom's case, it actually ended up benefiting them in the end from my standpoint at least since I would have never even gotten into the Ys series and many other wonderful Falcom game series unless I had originally been given
those "discs" by my friend. Since my trial of the game reeled me in as a Falcom fan, hook, line and sinker, they've made much money off of me. : )
Edit: Oh yeah, there is one more point that I wanted to make. I hope that this post will clarify that there can be a difference between someone who sometimes uses piracy as a means of playing games and that of someone who is a complete freeloader. I believe that there is a completely different set of principles for either category.
Also, I used to host various MSX Xak games from the XyZ site that heavily dealt with the Xak series. But once I found out about Project EGG/Amusement Center and how they actually run a business off of legitimate download purchases of some of these older "thought-to-be-abandonware" games, I removed all of the Japanese Xak game roms because I found out that MicroCabin was still able to make a profit off of the continued sales of games. And when Woomb released the first Xak game in English with the intention of translating all of the Xak/Fray MSX games down the line, I removed all of the English translated roms as well and ended up removing all roms entirely from the site down the line. I was fine with it until I found out that against my better judgement, I was hindering the process of Project Egg's efforts to run a legitimate retrogame distribution service and I felt terrible for doing so. So, even if you think that some games may be abandonware, that may not always be the case.
-Thomas
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Post by Falcom Lead Designer on Mar 21, 2009 0:58:28 GMT -5
Please, do not pirate or swashbuckle a work. It is make very hard for new Creates.
If you want Ys Eight on PC, than please, be warning of downroad to Seven.
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Post by SkyeWelse on Mar 21, 2009 1:09:45 GMT -5
Please, do not pirate or swashbuckle a work. It is make very hard for new Creates. If you want Ys Eight on PC, than please, be warning of downroad to Seven. I agree and I've paid for all of my Falcom games ever since. : ) -Thomas |
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Post by oath on Mar 21, 2009 1:47:21 GMT -5
oath: While I'm generally relatively OK with piracy (as I think it does more good than harm), I've gotta say, that's a REALLY lame reason to do it.  With import games as cheap and readily available online as domestic games ( Play-Asia's got you covered!), there is absolutely no reason NOT to import. Saying "I don't like to, so I pirate" is kind of ridiculous, when importing is no different than buying from Amazon or eBay. Not being able to read Japanese is kind of a lame excuse as well. It's essentially saying, "I can't read all the text, so I shouldn't have to pay for the game!" I'm not trying to rag on you... but it's one thing to say, "I pirate because it's easy and it lets me try out games that I'm hesitant to buy", and another altogether to say, "I pirate because I don't like to import and don't want to pay for games that aren't in my language." You see what I'm saying? -Tom Rofl When you put it that way I feel so.... dirty  . I mean there are other reasons like I don't have the means to import in most cases (no credit card, but Ive got imports from ebay with money orders) and the sometimes ridiculous price tags some games have, especially the ones I'M interested in... All in all I get what your saying though  |
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Post by oath on Mar 21, 2009 12:25:43 GMT -5
Dont sweat it |
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Getting one's hands on originals here is a pain and a bother, usually involving begging game shops to get them for you, or paying exorbitant prices for shipping and customs when buying online (in the middle of which the Post Office people usually just steal your stuff). So.... its far more convenient to just... pirate and then buy if one really, really liked (or has money to spare!). 
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