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Post by lindaluv on Feb 23, 2009 13:59:27 GMT -5
Ok, so I was overjoyed to find out that there was gonna be a remake of Ys 3, 4, and 5, with 3 and 5 being my fav for SNES on the PS2. Sadly, Taito needs to be shut down for good after such horrendous remakes(with the exception to Ys 3, which was classic and good, but weapon and menu designs BLEW). As much of a Ys fan that I am, I just couldnt finish Ys 4, I quit after the ice cavern area(or fisrt actual boss). And seeing as how Ys5 is the same engine wise I dont even wanna play it. So, who thinks there will be true FALCOM remakes of the wonderful Ys4 and Ys5 classics??? And if so, would they be better with the Ys3 OiF (origins too) and Ys6 engines or a new system. Personally, I would luv to see Ys4 remade using the Eternal System and Ys 5 using the Origins system.
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Post by Red Hairdo on Feb 23, 2009 14:55:27 GMT -5
Hehe, Taito's Ys IV and V really are rather bad. (Though if you have enough patience to force yourself, you can eventually kind of like them, especially Ys IV.) Ys V's engine wasn't quite the same as IV's. But they are similar about many things without a doubt. Well, both aren't that good anyway. xD I'd love to see remakes of these two by Falcom. And I agree: for Ys IV, I'd like th classic Bumping System. Although I think even a remake wouldn't match the quality of both Ys IV versions. Like GMF once wisely pointed out, Ys IV, especially The Dawn of Ys, is too awesome to be remade. As for Ys V, I think they could actually make it play somewhat like the original Ys V, but with updated graphics and slight improvements over the gameplay engine.
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Post by lindaluv on Feb 23, 2009 15:04:09 GMT -5
I have to try Dawn of Ys then since Im hearing so much about it, but I mean a rteamke along the lines of overhauled graphics with with everything else untouched. Although its Ys 5 that I really want. That overworld theme, I think Gale of something is really superbly done.
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Post by Justin on Feb 23, 2009 15:57:06 GMT -5
Dawn of a New Theory isn't that bad, but when compared to what Falcom was doing with YsF, Ys6 and YsO, its hard to think that way. Play through it, as its really an ok game, and the music is really good.
To be fair Falcom didn't even make Ys 4 to begin with, so who knows if they will ever be able to make a competent remake.
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Post by SkyeWelse on Feb 23, 2009 17:56:39 GMT -5
I'm happy to hear that you at least liked Taito's version of Wanderers From Ys. I thought that they did a nice job on that one considering and the 2D graphic design was beautiful.
But Ys IV and V from Taito were terrible as you said. But interestingly enough, they were still better than Ys Strategy.
-Thomas
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Post by Red Hairdo on Feb 23, 2009 17:58:13 GMT -5
To be fair Falcom didn't even make Ys 4 to begin with[...] XD You're right: from a technical point of view, they CAN'T remake Ys IV, because they never made it in the first place. xD How truly ironic. The best they can do is to finally make Ys IV. xDD I didn't see it like that before. xD How amusing. But yeah, I'd like to see how an Ys IV "remake" by Falcom would turn out someday.
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Post by Justin on Feb 23, 2009 18:18:14 GMT -5
I am sure it would be awesome. Hopefully it happens after Ys 7, or they at least finally get someone to produce the anime they were shopping around.
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Post by Ascended Mermaid on Feb 23, 2009 18:40:15 GMT -5
Are you kidding? The pacing, the artwork, and the change of gameplay were more than welcome for the Ys III remake. I thought it was beautiful!
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Post by Justin on Feb 23, 2009 19:17:19 GMT -5
I disagree man, YsF and Ys6 don't play that fast. The breakneck speed thing was a quality the older games had, and I thought Ys III PS2 played pretty smooth. If anything Ys III played like a Valis game, which is more than ok in my books.
And what's wrong with Taito? Squeenix, that's what.
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Post by Red Hairdo on Feb 23, 2009 19:54:08 GMT -5
Originally the Ys series wasn't fast like that. xD If you play most 8-bit Ys I/II versions you'll see the game is not a wild monster hunt. Like, try Ys I for Sega Master System. You play as Adol the Turtle. (Though that's not his speed in that Ys III remake. He's a lot faster. xD To me, his speed is perfect.) But. What. Ever! xDD This is one of the most saturated discussions around here. XD sum ppl liek it, sum dont. ende xD
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Post by Justin on Feb 23, 2009 20:37:10 GMT -5
And even Ys I for the Master System plays faster than Ys 3 PS2. Or it FELT faster, anyway. Woah there cowboy, that's a little exaggerated. Yeah they are pretty fast, but not breakneck fast like Ys III PCE was. Ys III PS2 wasn't as fast in any way compared to the older versions, but I enjoyed the triple strike, and the change in gameplay because of the slower smooth movements of Adol. You couldn't run like a bitch anymore, and you had to dodge everything with precise timing. Good times dude, good times. Ys has evolved so much and has had so many differing incantations of the same SKU that its hard to pin a favorite version. I would say each and every version of Ys III is important to the entire experience the installment has to offer. I guess what I am trying to say is I wouldn't have my Ys III without its PCE, SNES, or PS2 versions. I haven't played the Genny one, but I have been meaning to pick it up.
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Post by lindaluv on Feb 23, 2009 20:54:56 GMT -5
I have to agree with Wayward in that Ys 3 for Snes was fun b/c of its difficulty and fast paced sword swinging. Ys 3 for PS2 was still an amazing remake in itself as it lent more of slasher game then just run thru swinging. Altho it would have been nice to make the square button a rapid and repeated swing just like from Ys 3 snes, instead of a single attack without the continuous attacks and combo u get by holding circle. I didnt know that Ys 4 was not even touched by Falcom, so for them to bring out a Ys 4 would truly be bliss, ad maybe they should make Mask of Sun Felghana style and Dawn of Ys Eternal style. woot woot, but thats asking for too much T_T.
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Post by lindaluv on Feb 23, 2009 20:56:40 GMT -5
I'm happy to hear that you at least liked Taito's version of Wanderers From Ys. I thought that they did a nice job on that one considering and the 2D graphic design was beautiful. But Ys IV and V from Taito were terrible as you said. But interestingly enough, they were still better than Ys Strategy. -Thomas Ha ha haaaaa, I thought I was the only one who didnt like Ys strategy either, I never even wanted to bring it up but wow, it really hurts to know something with Ys in it could SUCK so much.
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Post by Justin on Feb 23, 2009 21:14:25 GMT -5
I'm cool with just the SNES version, and OiF, myself. And I dunno, I honestly remember the Master System version of Ys I being pretty fast. But then, I only ever played it emulated, and I suspect my emulator may have been overclocked, as all the songs sounded notably slower to me when I played the game again years later. -Tom I am going to assume you are without a SMS? If you get one Ill lend you my copy, and you will really really laugh at how slow Adol is in that game.
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Post by Red Hairdo on Feb 23, 2009 22:03:28 GMT -5
Actually, back when I was playing Ys I SMS years ago, I stopped playing when I got at Darm Tower.
Go round, round, round... round ... roun..d . . . roun..... ... Where's the door..? Oh, there. *a while later* What?! Again!?
I couldn't play it any longer after I realized I'd be doing that about 50 times (lots of backtracking needed).
Nowadays I've got MUCH more patient, so being as crazy as I am I'll eventually finish it. xD
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Post by lindaluv on Feb 23, 2009 22:45:13 GMT -5
lindaluv: Bear in mind, Falcom had NOTHING to do with Ys Strategy. That game was conceived, developed, and published by a third-party company entirely. Falcom had much more to do with Ys IV than with Ys Strategy, since they wrote the original scenario for the game... but for Ys Strategy, the only thing Falcom themselves actually touched there was the logo. -Tom WHY are all these 3rd parties ruining the AWESOMEness that is THE Ys series.. like HOLY FRIK. Ys Complete is actually the only version I have played of Ys 1 and 2, and Im a sucker for good graphics so I kinda hy away from the older Ys games now a days. Editor's note: There's no such thing as Ys Eternal Complete. You must be talking about Ys Complete games.
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Post by Ascended Mermaid on Feb 24, 2009 4:12:36 GMT -5
Ys III SNES was beautiful, if not broken. I mean, you could max out your level in the Tigre Mine, or in the Ilberns Ruins (see what I'm doing here? XD), just by fighting off the bees and the evil owls. Demanicus (yes, you surely see what I'm doing here now) doesn't stand a chance against Adol in that game -- especially when you go to the menu screen to swap out your equips. ...at least you could swap out your equips in real-time during the PS2 version. That was a welcome addition and added a bit of depth to the otherwise drab "stab me, I'm sitting still" (especially the one in the cursed mine) bosses of the original Ys III!
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Post by Falcom Director of Fanservice on Feb 24, 2009 12:00:38 GMT -5
From what I recall of Ys III SNES, at least, you kinda needed to get that levelling on to survive.
And I'll toss my hat in and say that Ys III was pretty bloody fast-paced, and Adol's sword swinging there is what originally gained him the title of Human Buzzsaw. (As opposed to Human Woodchipper in the bump system).
And, the only Ys VI I've played is the PS2 version, and it felt pretty fast-paced to me. But admittedly, it had also scratched an itch I hadn't scratched in a long time when I played it, so that could be rose-colored glasses there.
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Post by lindaluv on Feb 24, 2009 13:04:44 GMT -5
True, Ys Snes made it so that you maxed your lvl to beat some of the bosses. Where as in Ys 3 for PS2 you could literally beat the game at lvl 5+ with the power ring on for the bosses. Ys 3 PS2 was no challenge at all, even on HARD, which was disappointing since the boss battles were the funnest part.
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Post by Ascended Mermaid on Feb 24, 2009 19:42:47 GMT -5
I know -- a bit of cross-contamination if you will. I was simply delighted with the Genny version's names and used those instead while making my post.
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