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Post by Incog Neato on Aug 19, 2010 19:48:03 GMT -5
Okay, I think I'll stay out of this thread now that somebody's dissed A Great Ordeal. *disses it some more* Then again, the entire final boss fight in Mask of the Sun was lulz. |
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Post by Peytral on Aug 19, 2010 23:06:19 GMT -5
*High-fives Wyrd*
Also, it's 'Final Decisive Battle', I believe. It's meh compared to A Great Ordeal, and also meh compared to A Heat in the Blaze. D:
Also, this may be blasphemy, but... I like Ancient Disputation more than The Strongest Foe. I like The Strongest Foe, but... I -love- Ancient Disputation.
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Post by Peytral on Aug 20, 2010 1:21:36 GMT -5
Well, the Dawn of Ys version would be ranked in terms of normal boss themes, while the MotS version would be ranked in terms of last boss themes.
Speaking of: I plan on making lists for top 50 RPG Battle, Boss, Special Boss, and Final Boss themes. Between Boss and Special Boss, what would Legend of the Five Great Dragons count as? D:
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Post by Peytral on Aug 20, 2010 1:51:21 GMT -5
Yeah, that's what I was thinking. Thanks.
EDIT: Also, listening to Depth Napishtim fully, I really like the song, but... it doesn't seem very final battle-y to me. Does it fit more during the actual battle?
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Post by Mutagene on Aug 20, 2010 7:13:45 GMT -5
The Ark battle is more like a puzzle than a battle, in my opinion. But the track does fit well.
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Post by sushi on Aug 20, 2010 10:04:51 GMT -5
Doesn't Black Ark Unveiled play during the puzzley bit, and then switches when things get more intense?
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Post by Lunar on Aug 20, 2010 12:28:59 GMT -5
It sounds perfectly like a battle theme, especially played in context. The first half of the song moreso, but the thing I LOVE about that track is that it was sequenced in such a way that it sounds like there are different layers of the track being peeled away; the transitions between different sections of that song are pretty remarkable. The part that plays at the end of the song is particularly impressive; it gives this impression of Adol trying his damndest to shut that last boss down and actually succeeding.
Or maybe I'm just reading into it too much. Regardless, Depth Napishtim is a phenomenal track, possibly even my favorite game song period.
EDIT: I forgot about Ys V's final battle theme... or like its entire soundtrack outside of a few songs
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Post by Razorclaw X on Aug 21, 2010 0:18:31 GMT -5
Doesn't Black Ark Unveiled play during the puzzley bit, and then switches when things get more intense? Ah, good point. But even the actual battle part is pretty puzzley, compared to most Ys bosses! And Ys V *does* have a lot of really great tracks (Crimson Ruins!)... it's just that its boss themes aren't really among them. They're not BAD... but compared to ANY other game in the series, they're completely forgettable. -Tom Most of the boss themes in Ys V actually do suck; the only one I remember regularly are Turning Death Spiral and Pain Maker (I had to look up the name for that one, though), and Turning Death Spiral is clearly the best one the game offers (it's been a while, I think it only plays when you fight members of the three flunky group in Kefin). The final battle is Wicked Pleasure, which is weaksauce. On the other hand I thought all the boss themes in Ys IV were pretty weak-- not saying so much when you have Battle#58 being so pedestrian and used all over the place. While time gave me enough to learn to appreciate Protectors from Ys II in its various forms over the years (which proves execution does matter), the same can't be said for that one. The Depth Napishtim is a great final boss theme, especially if you consider it carries the game's main theme in it (the Ohla flute theme), but I say The Strongest Foe is just made more of raw awesomeness. Sorcerian Online's music is great; I only wish I knew what all the tracks were called so I can label them properly. I downloaded the client specifically to get the entire soundtrack (the client itself is otherwise useless, though). |
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Post by Razorclaw X on Aug 21, 2010 0:25:17 GMT -5
Here, we definitely disagree, as I also think Battle #58 is absolutely fantastic, and Great Ordeal is simply MINDBLOWING. I absolutely love both tracks, and rank them among the BEST in the series. But, we agree on The Depth Napishtim, at least.  -Tom Like I said, my mind can be changed if Battle #58 can get a proper mix.  |
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Post by Peytral on Aug 21, 2010 0:33:48 GMT -5
The Dawn of Ys version didn't do it for you?  I don't even see how that version could be topped... it's outstanding! -Tom This, pretty much. |
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Post by Mutagene on Aug 21, 2010 1:00:21 GMT -5
Not a fan of Battle#58, but the DoY ver. of A Great Ordeal is just awesome. I should get the rest of the soundtrack.
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Post by yotaka on Aug 23, 2010 16:20:52 GMT -5
Ahh, Ys V, Falcom must remake you one of these days so they can turn your boss music into something less sucktastic... although remaking IV first with a glorious full instrumental version of A Great Ordeal should be the top priority once multiplatform Seven is out of the way. Sorcerian Online's music is great; I only wish I knew what all the tracks were called so I can label them properly. I downloaded the client specifically to get the entire soundtrack (the client itself is otherwise useless, though). I did the exact same thing (and clearly Falcom agrees that the music is awesome since they used it in Alternative Saga). Here's the names of all the tracks in order: Opening Beautiful Day Castle (Let's Meet Here) Town (Pentawa I) Hydra (Lost King's Septre) Combat Scene (Gods of Heaven) Dungeon II~Gedis (Sorcerer of Darkness) On Board (Cursed Queen Mary) Town (Pentawa II) Traveller's Inn Pagan Ground (Takeda Shingen's Chapter) Snowy Gojou Bridge (Oda Nobunaga's Chapter) Grievously Shrine (The Temple of Sorrow) Before Gash (Demon's Servant Gash's Plot) Forest (The Head of Medusa) Labyrinth of Gilbares (Demon King Gilbares' Labyrinth) Dark Marsh (Mage of the Dark Marsh) Cave II (The Cavern of Ice) Shaking Heart (The Fountain of Youth) Bloody River (Lucifer's Floodgate) Devil (Tokugawa Ieyasu's Chapter) Desert (Cursed Oasis) Double Devils (The Fountain of Youth) Tutankhamen (The Bloody Royal Treasure) Underground Dungeon (Lucifer's Floodgate) Ekim (The Cavern of Ice) Forest of Lafaune (Demon's Servant Gash's Plot) The Living Cave (The Fountain of Youth) Depths of the Earth (The Tower of Thieves) Dungeon (Lost King's Sceptre) Killing Edo (Tokugawa Ieyasu's Chapter) Cave I (The Cavern of Ice) King Dragon ~ Opening Sand Maribo (Cursed Queen Mary) |
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Post by Este on Aug 23, 2010 21:33:23 GMT -5
So, is there a date for the CD release? I sort of expected the concert tracks to overlap more with the CD ones, but I see hardly any Ys 7 stuff (err, new Ys 7 stuff). I need to hear to hear the CD bad.
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Post by Varion on Aug 23, 2010 22:07:24 GMT -5
'In a few days'
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Post by Este on Aug 24, 2010 1:27:19 GMT -5
The bill-paying adult in me says that's reasonable. The impatient teenager in me, however, says "WAAAAAAAA".
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Post by Adol.Christin on Aug 24, 2010 5:49:57 GMT -5
too bad that new arrangement of to make the end of digging and to make the end of battle isn't on this cd, guess we'll have to do with the Live versions  |
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Post by Varion on Aug 24, 2010 8:46:34 GMT -5
too bad that new arrangement of to make the end of digging 7. TO MAKE THE END OF DIGGING （Gurumin） Err.. |
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Post by Adol.Christin on Aug 24, 2010 10:09:01 GMT -5
sorry I was looking at the list yotaka posted note to self: moar coffee edit: then again I was meaning the way they crossed those two songs over in the live concert. And the new arrangement of To Make The End of Battle is ALREADY out on CD. It's on the Ys Music History CD that came with preorders of Ys Seven in Japan. -Tom On the music history cd is just the game version or something, not the new arrangement played on the JDK Live 2010 concert |
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Post by knightofancient on Aug 24, 2010 12:47:28 GMT -5
I think Wyrdwad meant the Ys I&II Best Sound Collection which contains the new arrangement for To Make the End of Battle. On the music history cd is just the game version or something, not the new arrangement played on the JDK Live 2010 concert The version played at the concert is not a new arrangement, it is still the old arrangement Tomohiko Kishimoto did for the old J.D.K. Band and the arrangement is the same one on the Falcom J.D.K. Band 1 album and the Falcom Live 2007 album. All they changed for the concert is the instrumentation and add in some solo's at the interlude. |
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Post by Lunar on Aug 24, 2010 14:10:28 GMT -5
I like that they had a few nods to To Make the End of Battle in To Make the End of Digging this time.
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I don't even see how that version could be topped... it's outstanding!
