Are you a pirate?

[kyril]

^ I agree with sports games and mainstream FPS. Now I actually like to play FPS but only limited to some with a very interesting plot like Call of Juarez and its sequel Bound in Blood (unfortunately its developers became the latest retards to join the modern setting bandwagon with their Call of Juarez: The Cartel) and Half-life (I also like to play Portal as well because Glados is funny) because most FPS are nothing with weak story, eyecandy graphics and explosions, extremely linear campaign mode (I know Half-life and Portal are also like that but that's fine) and I'm not interested with its' multiplayer mode because you'll just face noisy annoying flaming children, emos and trolls just like on this video: www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMdrVjjE5q0. As for sports games, what is the big deal on buying them if every sequel of it is just nothing but upgrades of the same game from it's last predecessor?
And yes another stupid thing that Capcom did was their Devil May Cry reboot because they turned Dante into an emo Edward. And the game is now developed by British and not Japanese. It's just like what that douchebag Inafune said that Japanese developers are 5 years old late and not evolving. Oh and what do you say about Capcom saying that Dead Rising is the new Resident Evil?

[Incog Neato]

Sports games are a mystery! Don't they just add new players and silly crap like that with each edition?

Maybe they should just start releasing DLC instead of full games.

But wait, people are willing to shell out $70 or whatever for each new game so why bother when you can capitalize on mindless lemmings with fat wallets?

This kind of reminds me of Koei's Warriors/Musou games ... *cough*

[Flamzeron]

Feb 27, 2011 17:52:30 GMT -5 Incog Neato said:

This kind of reminds me of Koei's Warriors/Musou games ... *cough*

Don't you dare compare Dynasty Warriors to friggin' Sports games. :'(

[RyuKisargi]

Oh please, I'll pirate every sports game in existance if I was interested in it.

Not gonna spend $50-60 for a reskinned/rehashed Madden title. All they do is change the year and put in a few names, with minor enhcancements every year.

Except Mario Sports Mix.

need coffee

[Incog Neato]

Feb 28, 2011 20:53:08 GMT -5 Flamzeron said:

Feb 27, 2011 17:52:30 GMT -5 Incog Neato said:

This kind of reminds me of Koei's Warriors/Musou games ... *cough*

Don't you dare compare Dynasty Warriors to friggin' Sports games. :'(

I know. At least Koei actually does different stuff every 5 or so releases.

It's like they'll add something different and fresh! Keep that for a few games and then, do something change it up again!

[Este]

Hmmm, I used to pirate a lot of old games to play on emulators (like SNES and NES games) but haven't done it in a while. I don't really have anything against it morally, I just have been able to find games (especially for the PSP) at reduced prices. And come to think of it, the most recent purchases I've made have all been from Falcom, and I have no issue sending them my money! Anything that'll help more Ys and JDK goodness come out!

[lailmith]

Yes I am, 110% pirate - always. Yep yep, you heard it. I pirate nearly every damn game, movie and music I have (phew done it, now I have admitted it). And I don't even fell bad about.. Strange.. I'd feel damn guilty and bad if i stole even one peanut from store, but I don't feel any guilt even though I pirate everything. It is strange yeah..

Shops around here don't really sell any good stuff I'd really like to buy.. And I'm not really into paying full price+shipment costs+customs for an item I don't know is it really worth it.. More than 30euros added to actual product price when buying outside Europe - yeah nice since quite a lot of my stuff are like that, and thats for a single item.. (bought two games not long ago (less than 80e with shipment costs) and had to pay nearly 50euros - thanks to our lovely customs system )

But I do buy things aswell. I pirate it, check if its good - if it is, I ll either buy it or put it in my 'must buy'-list. If its not good, I won't buy it - not for full price at least. I wanna support those that really make something good I like, so thats why I buy them. .. .. Hell no, I doubt my motive is nothing as noble as that. I guess I'm just a collector who wants to have the real thing or something like that.

Sometimes I do it the other way around too - buy the product and pirate it after that (yep, in some cases when I know/honestly believe it is worth my money I ll buy it without any testing). Actually I have been doing that quite a lot lately. Reason? I'm just lazy thats it^^. This PC doesn't have perm CD/DVD drive so I'm not really into swapping the drive between each PC if I just wanna watch a new movie or copy recently bought music to my music library for this PC. Maybe I should just buy another DVD drive, but as mentioned I'm lazy..

offtopic: dam. again I lost my ideas about this post when writing it, I had few more things that I had thought including in this post but I forgot them.. well I ll just add them later if I happen to remember them again - or maybe I won't, no-one cares anyway (except me of course)

[Raison D'etritus]

Strange.. I'd feel damn guilty and bad if i stole even one peanut from store, but I don't feel any guilt even though I pirate everything. It is strange yeah..

But by stealing virtually you're virtually stealing!
But that's the thing, it's not ACTUAL stealing, which is probably why it's morally different.

Going into a bookstore and running out with a book isn't quite the same as taking in your own paper and copying it. Downloading a game doesn't actually HURT anybody.
While it can still be said to hurt the company you're not paying, not giving them money is not the same as taking away their money. So it feels like a victimless crime.
(that and our social allowance of renting and purchasing used create the same effect, so it blurs the moral lines on a practical level)

[Rhyanna]

When you buy a used game, the developer doesn't get a dime.

When you buy used music, the artist doesn't get a dime.

When you buy used game compolations that are ancient, unless you still want to support the company who owns the rights NOW, you're probably giving money to the people who bought the rights after the fact, IE, buying Heroes 3 Complete gives money to Ubisoft.

If Ubisoft ever puts out a good game, I'll pirate it rather than buy it. Why? I bought Heroes V opening day. Two copies, so friends could play too via net play. I'm like that. I wanted to support the revival of a game series I love.

But what happened when I tried to update?

The malware spyware copyprotection hadn't installed properly, so oh, I couldn't upgrade the game, or uninstall it. When I finally managed?

It bricked my DVD-DL-RW drive for eight hours as I constantly reinstalled firmware.

I payed about a hundred bucks for that game, and I was treated like a criminal. I had a very small harddrive at the time, something like fifty gigs, and I often would use DVDs to store information since external harddrives were still too expensive. I was being punished for paying for the game, whereas pirates had hacked it already.

So I feel no shame, or guilt, there.

If a company never felt my region deserved the game, I'll pirate it oftentimes. That said, if I liked the game and its localized? I'll buy it - and only new, not used.

Music? I generally try to buy small label music as much as I can, but increasingly they rely on digital distribution and my local music store is closing down. I dont want to support iTunes as I find its business model abhorrent. There are other options, but also note, I'm lazy.

Also, my local stations keep being bought out and sold off. We used to have two day on the green concerts every year... now none

So am I a pirate? At times, you could call me Silver Beard The Non Bearded Pirate Who Is Really More Pale Cheek and Chinned. But thats a rubbish name. Rhyanna works.

Am I proud of it? No.

But if theres malicious copyprotection that could hurt my computer, hell if I pay for it.

[RyuKisargi]

I bought Mega Man X today from VC.

I don't know anymore though. The current system base is going to the next generation that I play (handhelds, PSP is going to NGP, DS is 3DS), so piracy on these platforms will soon be a moot point.

I just wish there was a way to buy older titles straight from the manufacturer, at least the foreign ones.

With the advent of digital distribution, Nintendo and Sega have been getting it pretty spot-on with their re-releases and whatnots (( Nintendo and Virtual Console, Sega and their various Classic Collections, even the games they've put on Steam )) it makes me more apt to buy titles.


I mean hell, you're talking to a guy who bought Link to the Past for the SNES, ordered an extra subscription of Nintendo Power (two of them) for that one disk that had it on there, bought it from VC (twice even, bought it on my first and second wii before modding it).


Music-wise, I'm gonna have to try to find something from the Yoshiro Brothers here in the US... I downloaded their albums and loved 'em.

[Deleted]

Apr 21, 2011 21:09:44 GMT -5 RyuKisargi said:

I bought Mega Man X today from VC.

That's funny, I seriously almost purchased this game from VC today as well. But I decided to spend my points on the story add-ons for Final Fantasy The After Years. I figured it can wait since I have the Mega Man X Collection for PS2. I really want to give The After Years a run.

[RyuKisargi]

I've had After Years and all the added content since they released the last chapter. Never played it, but supported it.

I downloaded FF4 PSP Collection though. I just didn't see the point in buying yet another remake, (although I liked it, so I will buy it when it goes down in price some.)


In other news, in a couple months I'm getting a 360, which will not be modded or anything. There any good XSEED or Falcom titles for the 360?

[Red Hairdo]

Mar 28, 2011 16:42:21 GMT -5 Raison D'etritus said:

not giving them money is not the same as taking away their money

[Raison D'etritus]

Weird. I only see "x [image ]" but when I highlight it and copy it into Open Office it displays the comic even though clicking "display image" does less than nothing.

I've always had a problem with the use of the word "pirate." I get that it's a homophone thanks to common usage, but the only reason for its initial employment is to further demonize cyber piracy, which, in my opinion, is not -quite- so severe as open plunder and the coinciding rape and murder.

I mean, in Pastafarianism Pirates are the chosen Elect who get to live in the blessed pastaness of the Flying Spaghetti Monster. For anybody who can click a link to cheat their way into salvation is like a deathbed convert. It's cheating. Yar.

[RyuKisargi]

Ya...r?

[Albert 'Dalles' Wesker]

Mar 28, 2011 17:05:03 GMT -5 Rhyanna said:

When you buy a used game, the developer doesn't get a dime.

When you buy used music, the artist doesn't get a dime.

(...)

If Ubisoft ever puts out a good game, I'll pirate it rather than buy it. Why? I bought Heroes V opening day. Two copies, so friends could play too via net play. I'm like that. I wanted to support the revival of a game series I love.

But what happened when I tried to update?

The malware spyware copyprotection hadn't installed properly, so oh, I couldn't upgrade the game, or uninstall it. When I finally managed?

It bricked my DVD-DL-RW drive for eight hours as I constantly reinstalled firmware.

I payed about a hundred bucks for that game, and I was treated like a criminal. I had a very small harddrive at the time, something like fifty gigs, and I often would use DVDs to store information since external harddrives were still too expensive. I was being punished for paying for the game, whereas pirates had hacked it already.

So I feel no shame, or guilt, there.

If a company never felt my region deserved the game, I'll pirate it oftentimes. That said, if I liked the game and its localized? I'll buy it - and only new, not used.

Music? I generally try to buy small label music as much as I can, but increasingly they rely on digital distribution and my local music store is closing down. I don't want to support iTunes as I find its business model abhorrent. There are other options, but also note, I'm lazy.

But if there's malicious copyprotection that could hurt my computer, hell if I pay for it.

I agree on the most statements you made here. The ones I quoted.

1. Used stuff. I buy when I want a legit copy with little expense.
2. Copy protection - depends on the game. If I really want to see that on my shelf in a box, I'll buy and just copy over crack. But it's rare -- there's only a couple franchises I'd buy regardless of copy prot -- otherwise, I'll pirate it outright.
3. Region stuff -- depends. If it's an American/EU/RUS title, I'd pirate it shamelessly if it ain't available for my region or has add-ons that aren't even if the base game is. But when it comes to Asian stuff -- the market in there is so secluded that I MIGHT HAVE CONSIDERED buying regardless of that rule -- if it were not for insane shipping cost and the game cost itself which is sometimes double the value of a game available locally.


I don't earn much and I don't want to become culturally primitive. By primitive, I mean: not knowing what's going on in various art branches (VG, music, movies etc) and with my viewpoint & overall personality unaffected by all that art around. Because the art products, like books, music, video games and movies are so goddamn expensive, I can't allow more than a couple per year which essentially means I'm missing a whole lot of experiences. PLEASE! I'm not gonna miss out all that just because I'm not RICH! And if someone loses part of the income because of that, their loss. I bought like 20 games in 2011, 16 or so movies, an uncanny number of various books just because their price tags weren't 60 bucks per unit. There are developers, publishers, importers and even goddamn retailers who can adjust the price tags for people that don't earn bazillions and I'm gonna stick to the guys. Example. My local currency is PLN (Polish Zloty, the 'N' is for 'new' after the denomination in 1995) and let's compare Deus Ex Human Revolution. Store price tag was just recently still set @ 120 PLN or so. Now, I bought it via an electronic shop that sold it to me for 50 PLN. That's right. And we're talking a new item here.

Now let's compare it to Ys Origin. YesAsia sells it for 70 USD, now multiply by 3.5 and you get...245 PLN. And that's excluding shipment. Excuse me?! It is a *PC* game, now even console games straight off the shelf cost me 210-230 PLN, I mean PS3 / XBOX, but I am yet to see a PC game besides a Microsoft title that costs this god-darn much in a REGULAR edition! Now I may be scolded, or even spurned by this community but let me show you this: in PL you can earn anything from 800 to 2000 PLN in most jobs. From that, you have to pay the bills, fill your belly, and every now and then secure your family, not to mention other necessary stuff. Yet, you can scrounge up to 1-2 hours of free time per 1-2 days if you are planning things right and nothing unexpected comes in your way, and what will you do? Watch some TV or listen to music that shows the quality level of total crappola without any kind of message through it, making you think on sth about your life just a little? And with that level of salaries you're supposed to pay well over 300 PLN (S&H included in this) for a single game? Regardless of how good it is, how much you respect the devs... the choice is obvious. Either pirate or forget it.

I noticed that many of the forumers are Americans. True, your salaries are bigger, but even so, doesn't it strike you as odd that a PC title from 2006 may cost more than a 2011 PS3 game? OBVIOUSLY the Japanese pricetags are just ripped away from reality.

Also, the Ys Origin Extra Disc. Please, even in 2006 a 100 MB file would be easy to host and putting in a serial number verification mechanism on Falcom webpage, SSL-encrypted, would have players pay NOTHING for any shipping & handling because it would all be automated! But nah, they had to enforce people to pay for S&H with the emphasis on Handling because what, they lacked imagination to do this properly? Or were they too lazy to do it?

True, that developers have all rights to do such decisions. Technically.

Morally, I don't believe they are entitled to demand from me to pay for verifying a serial number and to ship a physical disc with 100 MB data that could be distributed THIS EASY online. It just ain't right.

There are more problems in the VG industry, but it'd be a looong list and I gotta rest after that single post first

[Trebia]

Well, what I do is this:

I download things. If I see something that I really like, got money, and can buy, I buy it.
If it is very old and it is not on sale on DVD (videogame) at my country, or it is no longer avaliable, I left it at the PC. I do the same with japanese anime series that I can´t buy and can´t understand, because I don´t know japanese(only a few basic).
What I don´t use to piracy, are books or comics, because I don´t like eBooks.

[Ascended Mermaid]

[reymon698]

But now, seriously, i have admit being 70% pirate.

When i was a kid, i had no money for nothing, my parent had no money for nothing, and so....

All my Xbox 360 games are original, when i want to see a movie premier, i go to the theather, and if i really like the anime, i will buy the DVD either in spanish or english, the rest?
Downloaded.

I at least download old games, or at least, from system that, such as SNES, PSONE, DS, N64, Etc

Movies, pretty much when i dont go to the theather, but i dont really watch many movies, so..

Anime, Yeah, pretty much all the time, unless i really like the anime, in which case i buy the DVD. (Like all of you here and cant deny)

Music, well, all the time. I Listen to rock and the only thing i will ever hear in the radio or in the stores is Bachata or reggaeton. DAMMIT, DAMM THE LATER.

So yeah.

Mar 28, 2011 17:05:03 GMT -5 Rhyanna said:

When you buy a used game, the developer doesn't get a dime.

When you buy used music, the artist doesn't get a dime.

When you buy used game compolations that are ancient, unless you still want to support the company who owns the rights NOW, you're probably giving money to the people who bought the rights after the fact, IE, buying Heroes 3 Complete gives money to Ubisoft.

In any case, This.

I wont to any bad to download a product that you will no longer find new in stores tbh.

[Xalphenos]

My feelings are that if it can no longer be purchased new its OK. I'm a big proponent of voting with your wallet and supporting companies that make quality products, and buying used accomplishes neither of these. For me I will only buy used if its a real good deal,to good to pass up, or I just really want it for my collection.

@raymon698 I'm unfamiliar with Bachata. Is it similar to Merengue, and does it use wind instruments, Sax Trumpet Trombone?