The therapeutic thread! >:0

[Inochi 命]

yeah, what IS captain talking about? heh, i was thinking the same thing when i read that.

The only characters I could at least stand in FFX were Auron and Kimari. I nearly went mad trying to complete that game. Then, instead of getting no reward for beating a game, like most other games, they decide to torture me instead

[Cyhirae]

I can see people liking Cloud and still complaining about VIII characters...but that's likely my personal vendetta to erase the 90210 of FF off my mental gridmap.

I didn't really think Tidus all that bad a character either- he was exactly what he was intended to be by the story script: A not so bright jock who meant well. Not the greatest character out there but there's easily far worse in that game alone.

[Cyhirae]

I'll grant that- Cloud was a poorly written jerk in the game (hurrah for the movie making him into a tolerable character).

I don't know...the FF8 crew just...never really impressed me any more than the FF7 ones did. That whole romance thing with Squall and Rinoa...now there was contrived. ugh. *shudder*

[Cyhirae]

Well I won't deny that about the movie- but Cloud was at least a likable character in it. *LOL* that was about my only point to that.

Ah, yes but there we run into "good contrivance" vs "bad contrivance". Like they say- it's all in how you tell it. ....That romance was so badly told. ; Any story's contrived- but least a writer can try to do is make it palatable.

[Inochi 命]

Cloud and Sephiroth are my two most hated characters ever, if only for their overratedness. I basically dislike every character in the FF series... @_@ *gets shot* ok, FF8 came close.

I have to admit though when seeing Tidus, I wish he were more like Cloud as at least he stayed quiet and mostly invisible during the game (staying invisible is still better than openly being retarded). As far as Traditional RPG characters go, the Lufia series gets my vote for the best... Dekar FTW.

It doesn't matter to me how little or how much depth a character has, just as long as the character doesn't make me dream of stabbing them. I'm not saying I think they're bad characters, but I personally don't like them.

[Cyhirae]

I thought it was a bit..how to say...out of nowhere and overplayed on then promptly dropped for other plots and then plucked back up again at story convenience ...; that's my only objection to its presentation in that game. Truth may be stranger than fiction, but fiction can at least attempt to make sense. Truth doesn't really have to- it just has to exist.

As to the latter- I'm in total agreeance there. -_-;

If anything, the stories where characters have to go out of their way to say "I love you" feel incredibly cheesy and young adultish at best.

[Cyhirae]

guess it's back to on -topicness then.

other hatreds hum....ah, hell since it was already harped on by me to some degree:

Cheesy/badly done writing for anything. Something I see waaay too much of in the current markets- be it TV, novels, comics- you name it.

[Cyhirae]

You have at least my solemn oath on that.

[Falcom Director of Fanservice]

No. Advent Children Cloud was not likable. Who the hell is spreading these lies? He was a goddamned emokid long after he had no real reason to be a goddamned emokid. At least he had a reason to be angsty when Shinra and Sephiroth were still real threats.

FFVII Cloud wasn't too bad in my opinion. Mostly I got sick of his fanboys. And there was goddamned Tifa and to a lesser extent Vincent to hold the suck rating over his head.

Also: I really really hate Rinoa. Otherwise FFVIII is okay by me; though not exceptional.


Edit: Cursing makes it more true!

[Inochi 命]

Ugh, I hated Advent Children more than FFVII...

I've heard that FFXII has the most disliked characters in the series, it's totally continuing to keep me away from the series. Then, the FFXIII trailer displayed yet another Yuna look-alike...

I've come to think of a couple things as equivalents of Japanese pop: anime like Naruto, DBZ, and the like, and games like Dragon Quest, Pokemon, and Final Fantasy. Although, Pokemon and DBZ aren't as annoying here as they used to be, and Dragon Quest still isn't too popular here anyways (at least, not yet).

[FM-77AV]

I haven't played the other FF games, but I absolutely LOVE most of the characters in FFXII. I disliked Vaan at first, but totally not anymore! He's still one of the "worst" in the game though. Fran is by far some of the most interesting characters I've ever seen in a game. Her and Balthier's voices are also the best I've heard in any game.

[Incog Neato]

• I dislike seeing people use ellipses to separate words and sentences. :3
  

*hands mjmmx some proper punctuation*

On Advent Children:
What I don't understand is how people can watch films that have next to no plot and STILL think they're good movies. I mean, I'm all for action flicks but I'd really appreciate some decent story to go along with them. If I wanted to see nothing but action, I'd play action games, dammit.

This sort of reminds me of Ong Bak. It's all like HOORAY FOR AWESOME STUNTS but the story is so SO simple -- might as well not even bother having one. >_> And that other Tony Jaa film, The Protector, is totally a goddamn carbon copy of Ong Bak.

Inochi, you should play FFXII though. D: Sure, Vaan and Penelo are just there, and Ashe has a one-track mind (re: hell bent on revenge for most of the game), and Fran has a weird voice, and Basch has a pot holder tucked into his hobo-esque attire, but man, Balthier is where it's at. He's got a few good lines though if you have an aversion to dashing, charming pirate men ... :(((

[Lumi]

Advent Children was eye-candy. That's pretty much what I liked about it. I, uh, sorta don't remember if I even HAD an opinion on the character personas at that point. Did they have them??

Peeve of the Day: When the universe (i.e. weather) conspires against my daily plans.

Other Random Peeves:
- Poor spelling ("Your/You're" generally has four or five letters, NOT two.)
- Awkward grammar
- Noisy animals (alas, I have four mini barking-machines, plus the fattest six-toed--ALSO noisy--orange tabby on the block. Love 'em but they make me crazy most days.)
- Community college course advisors. What exactly do they pay these people to do? I've yet to see justification.

[Falcom Director of Fanservice]

lumineux said:

- Community college course advisors. What exactly do they pay these people to do? I've yet to see justification.

Oh holy god, you just hit a wellspring of resentment for me. I lost two years and attendant financial aid to such advisors giving me absolute shit for advice.

[Lumi]

deuce said:

I will give Advent Children credit for being unapologetically itself... and by that I mean, it knows it is nothing more than fan service, and makes absolutely no attempts to be anything more. There's a certain purity of purpose there that I find refreshing, even if the movie itself is a bit blah.

Agreed on that count. They don't really TRY to pass it off as anything deeper. It was an enjoyable movie on the visual and musical standpoint, for all that the dialogue was mostly throwaway cheese and the story... ...wait, what story?

Ah well, they could've done a lot worse.

captain said:

lumineux said:

- Community college course advisors. What exactly do they pay these people to do? I've yet to see justification.

Oh holy god, you just hit a wellspring of resentment for me. I lost two years and attendant financial aid to such advisors giving me absolute crap for advice.

Ugh! You too? I swear, the first time I went to get some advice (note the root word here) from those advisors, it turned me off to even messing with college and I wound up going to work instead. Now I'm a few years lagged in the college circuit and they STILL suck. I lost quite a bit of money from one class I had to drop because the advisor enrolled me without being so kind as to point out that it was one of those lovely classes in the computer center where you basically sit and let the software teach you while the instructor does..... I don't know what. Considering the course in question is my weakest subject, bar none, this was a horrible idea. Morons.

[FM-77AV]

nunuu said:

Inochi, you should play FFXII though. D: Sure, Vaan and Penelo are just there, and Ashe has a one-track mind (re: hell bent on revenge for most of the game), and Fran has a weird voice, and Basch has a pot holder tucked into his hobo-esque attire, but man, Balthier is where it's at. He's got a few good lines though if you have an aversion to dashing, charming pirate men ... :(((

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Everything Fran says is gold! So is everything that Balthier says! And Basch! These are the best characters in any game, with the best voices in any game/reality. It's perfection! :o

[Incog Neato]

admin said:

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Everything Fran says is gold! So is everything that Balthier says! And Basch! These are the best characters in any game, with the best voices in any game/reality. It's perfection! :o

Is this Swedish sarcasm again? :O

Okei, I'll stop the dumb jokes. ^^

But I didn't really find the other characters making an impression on me much other than Balthier. And yes, I agree that the voice acting is quite spiffy in FFXII. Now if only more companies would actually allot some of their budget to hiring decent actors and actresses!!!! I'm certain good talent that doesn't cost oodles of money is out there somewhere. >:/

[Incog Neato]

deuce said:

Well, on one count, it was an incredible success... it had the fanboys slavering over its "hidden meanings" like it was the Matrix (pre-Reloaded). There's a plot FAQ for the movie that's like 500k raw text. I'm thinking the actual script is probably a third of that, at best.

People have too much time on their hands. It's like trying to justify that the movie actually had a (deep and meaningful) plot. 9_9

I wish I could take Advent Children at face value and accept it for the piece of gorgeous CG fanservice that it is but I can't. I need more meat in my movies to truly enjoy them. I think the exception are comedies and I'm quite certain that AC was NOT a comedy. :B

[Falcom Director of Fanservice]

The trouble is they hitched it to FFVII, which actually did have some plot and stuff to it, so one can be tempted to make extrapolations and such. I've written it off as fanfiction, myself. Pretty sure I announced that here.

[Inochi 命]

It's probably because Advent Children was such a fanservice that I hated it more than FFVII... and all this time I was thinking Square would be more successful in film than games as all they'd have to do is take out the boring gameplay (in my opinion) and bridge their cutscenes together wrong, I was...

Ong Bak and Tom Yum Goong were the best action flicks i've seen in a very long time... better story and characters than AC too, actually.