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Post by Justin on Oct 28, 2009 10:36:33 GMT -5
I agree, Ys 7 needs a PC release big time. There are some other series that went to crap on PC, like Valis for instance. Its really is a shame.
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Post by Incog Neato on Oct 28, 2009 10:37:13 GMT -5
Falcom didn't screw up. >_> They made a business decision to try and make their new Ys game appeal to a wider audience. They're taking risks and they're moving on and keeping up with the gaming trends of today.
They can't just make games "for the fans" based on the strategies they used 20 years ago if they want to stay in business.
And they will release a PC version anyway, right?
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Post by arukimi on Oct 28, 2009 10:44:54 GMT -5
I was going to post something but BSOD I lost everything.
Ironic no?
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Post by Justin on Oct 28, 2009 10:48:15 GMT -5
Well, someone should publicly spank whoever is making business decisions for Falcom. If they wanted to reach a wider audience, Atlus should never have published the Ys I and II DS remake, and instead been informed about the PSP one. Ys has a bad name here, Falcom has a bad name here, because of the way their products have been held. I know, I know, it wasn't their fault, but other companies have maintained quality control with how their IP's have been handled, so why can't they?
Falcom has always been a big PC company. The only reason they published on the PCengine is because NEC was advertising it to developers as a home console PC, which is why you saw so many Japanese PC developers pumping games out on it, Falcom included.
It just seems weird that there is no Ys 7 PC port, or even rumor of its development. They always kind of pumped their latest games out on PC first, with a PSP followup in short order.
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Post by Incog Neato on Oct 28, 2009 10:58:18 GMT -5
I think the issue here is more like you folks don't like the PSP. >:E
END OF DISCUSSION!
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Post by Red Hairdo on Oct 28, 2009 10:58:37 GMT -5
Musa: Hey, look at what I said again; "to me" I said, loud and clear. xD Besides, it's like nunuu said: PC version is coming. Or are you saying that was a bad decision?  Never said that PSP was better than PC or the opposite, though. And as for that matter, I agree with nunuu and disagree with Justin. But that's another subject altogether. xD And despite how offtopic I usually like to be, this time I won't. |
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Post by Justin on Oct 28, 2009 11:04:45 GMT -5
I love PSP, I have to to prove it!!! PC gaming is better And what is there to disagree with here Red, Falcom has always been a PC gaming company (Yeah, that's right, I'm going there, you know it, woot!). |
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Post by Red Hairdo on Oct 28, 2009 11:09:47 GMT -5
Uh, Justin... xD It's a long story, though you missed out most of the stuff while you were away...
*sigh*, but I'll quickly bring up two things that people mentioned back then that breaks what you're saying just now: Ys V (SNES only, made by Falcom alone) and Xanadu Next, which was released for N-Gage before PC.
And I thought you knew that, but in case you didn't, Ys SEVEN is going to be multi-platform (the name is changed to Ys VII for the non-PSP versions), somnething that was announced way before Ys SEVEN got released.
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Post by Justin on Oct 28, 2009 11:18:17 GMT -5
Didn't know about Ys 7 getting a PC announcement, but THANKS FOR MAKING MY DAY!!!
As for Ys 5, yeah I can see your point there, but that is one title compared to Falcom's entire catalog.
Xanadu Next always had a PC port in the works from its inception I thought?
Before we go waaaaaaaay off topic, PM me if there was more info I missed.
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Post by Musa-Revived on Oct 28, 2009 18:58:13 GMT -5
That's a little unrealistic. Microsoft doesn't make drivers for the products the manufacturers/vendors make. Sure, they make some generic drivers for vanilla support really but at the end of the day the manufacturers are the ones who know best how their products run, not Microsoft.
Yes, Microsoft has the responsibility to ensure older hardware is supported, but that's not by rewriting the whole OS program code to suit the hardware. Rather they did the logical thing of calling out all vendors to make at least some driver support or Microsoft will not grant the "medal of Win7 ready" on their boxes.
And manufacturers keep on creating new hardware with new features that requires new software. Obviously, they'll leave the older products in the shed and not bother with driver upgrades most of the times.
Unfortunately, this is something the consumers can't control and so we end up facing problems with old hardware on new OS.
Windows 7 is an OS with a different architecture from Windows XP. There's bound to be changes that would break old hardware support. What were you expecting? That they take XP's code and do some embellishment on it?
Don't forget the manufacturers wrote their old drivers based on XP, not Microsoft. So when vendors like HP say stuff like "Sorry this legacy product will not have Vista/Win 7 drivers", what they are really saying is "Hey, we wrote drivers for our old discontinued product for XP. It sucks that they don't work for Vista/Win7 but well we ain't gonna do anything about it since it's a waste of money writing new drivers for old hardware, why don't you ask Microsoft about it? In the meantime, check out our new product that does have Win7 drivers"
And when consumers read such disclaimers they see the words "No support for Win7" and first thing that comes to mind is Microsoft, not the manufacturer. Funny isn't it?
Well I suppose the backwards compatibility option was something the public pressured Microsoft into doing.
@wyrdy: Well you know by now my stand on Ys 7. I'm hanging on to a really really thin thread of hope. So thin that my mind and mouth are almost unaware of it. But it's there i assure you... (I guess)
I promise I'll strip naked and round around screaming my undying support for Falcom once there's any good news. But so far i see ambiguous words like "Multi-platform". PSP-PS3 is also multi-platform. PSP-Wii is also multi-platform. PSP-Xbox is also multi-platform. PSP-cellphone is also multi-platform. So many possibilities and not enough to assure me that PC is one of them.
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Post by Red Hairdo on Oct 28, 2009 20:08:57 GMT -5
I promise I'll strip naked and round around screaming my undying support for Falcom once there's any good news. But so far i see ambiguous words like "Multi-platform". PSP-PS3 is also multi-platform. PSP-Wii is also multi-platform. PSP-Xbox is also multi-platform. PSP-cellphone is also multi-platform. So many possibilities and not enough to assure me that PC is one of them. When you see it by itself, it could be any of those, alright. Thing is, that's not how it works out: you have to also take into consideration the CONTEXT in which such announcement was made. When the world learned Ys SEVEN was going to be released for the PSP, and not for PC, tons of people were rampaging both in Falcom's boards and 2ch in protest, and that hurt Falcom. It was short after this happened that Falcom announced it, saying something like "People calm down! Ys SEVEN will only be released for the PSP first!" See it now, how it feels different in context? xD Certainly, a little bit of ambiguity still remains, but it IS very little. But to believe the contrary would be pure paranoia. xD So sit down and relax. ~ (I can relate to that paranoia feeling, by the way. ~_~) |
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Post by Red Hairdo on Oct 28, 2009 20:13:41 GMT -5
and cheap business tactics (because by making older software incompatible with newer operating systems, they're forcing people to re-buy software that they already own). Yup, no room for denial there; it's Microsoft we are talking about here, afterall. And I did bring that up, too. xD *curses driver/hardware incompatibility* |
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Post by Red Hairdo on Oct 29, 2009 6:53:04 GMT -5
Hm, I didn't look at it that way myself, but I agree. xD Nice analysis there.
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Post by DoubleD64 on Oct 31, 2009 12:04:18 GMT -5
Just two tiny little semi PC-illiterate questions: 1. does it or does it not require App Locale & 2. will the translation patches still work (Ys I & II, OiF, & AoN)? |
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Post by Ashurei on Oct 31, 2009 14:27:44 GMT -5
Vista had full Japanese support built in for me, I didn't have to pop in the disc or anything like I did with XP. I don't think I even had to download the IME this time around! 7 being the successor to Vista, I don't see that (minimal language support) being very likely!
edit: I should note that the support still has to be enabled, though. But it was there natively for me!
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Post by Mutagene on Oct 31, 2009 14:38:11 GMT -5
Same here, though I prefer using AppLocale. Changing my language settings to Japanese is a pain.
Ugh, I don't know if I want to upgrade to 7. I'll probably have to wait until I get a new computer, in case upgrading this one breaks everything.
Probably doesn't help that I still have openSUSE dual-booting and eating up 30GB of my harddrive, either, even though I -never- use it because I can't get anything to work with it, even with WINE.
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Post by Red Hairdo on Oct 31, 2009 14:59:31 GMT -5
Vista had full Japanese support built in for me, but not for me.  In Vista's case, it depends on the version and/or whatever. And japanese support can only be purchased in my case. >_< In such a case, it wouldn't be too bad for one to consider using AppLocale, I think. But yeah, whenever possible, it's better to run the thing the way it's intended. |
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Post by Ashurei on Oct 31, 2009 15:00:21 GMT -5
Ah, I did not know this. :x
That is lame!
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Post by Red Hairdo on Oct 31, 2009 15:52:46 GMT -5
That is Vista!
xD
Btw, a certain friend tried Win7, and he said that so far it's much, much better than Vista. Good to hear, I guess.
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Post by Varion on Nov 1, 2009 11:17:43 GMT -5
I'd like to take this opportunity to point out how amazed I was that OSX has native support for Ainu. That's awesome.
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You have to make way for the new WHILE RETAINING FULL SUPPORT for the old... and honestly, there's no reason Microsoft shouldn't be able to do that. IMHO, it's lazy of them not to support older software and drivers and such, and it's Microsoft's responsibility ENTIRELY to ensure that every last piece of coding that worked under previous versions of Windows will still work just as well under the newest.
In Vista's case, it depends on the version and/or whatever. And japanese support can only be purchased in my case. >_<
