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Post by mraellis on Jul 18, 2009 16:57:39 GMT -5
Hello all, I have just started to get into the Ys series due to book 1 and 2 on the ds. I now want to continue my way through the series in order till the new one, 7, is released. The problem was when looking it up online it was a bit confusing how it all goes, due to the different releases, and if some even have english versions even via fan translation. Could you guys point me to the order I should play them and on what, preferably portable even if via emulator, platform i should get them on please. I will acquire them myself. I can't wait to continue the series so help is appreciated, Mraellis.
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Post by Mutagene on Jul 18, 2009 17:26:50 GMT -5
Well... I'm no expert myself, but from word of mouth I guess I can put together a bit of a list for you.
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For III: Oath in Felghana is your best bet. The original was pretty 'meh', and not only did Felghana improve significantly the gameplay, but it added to the story as well.
For IV: It depends, really. I've never been able to get Dawn of Ys to work on an emulator, so unless you can yourself, stick with Mask of the Sun. However, they're very different games, so it would be worth it to play both if you can.
For V: Depends on if you're willing to play it in Japanese. It's also the easiest of the games by far. At least there's only one version, though.
For VI: PC version, definitely. Just get the game and add Doppi and Co.'s patch, and you'll be ready to rock.
Origin might be a bit of a wait away for you since the translation is still in progress (and progressing quite smoothly now, it seems), but I personally played it in Japanese with nunuu's walkthrough for certain parts and had a blast. It's up to you, however.
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Hopefully this will help you with your decisions a bit; it's all just my opinion though, as steeped in others' as it is.
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Post by Red Hairdo on Jul 18, 2009 17:47:49 GMT -5
Ys III ---> Either the SNES version, which has the best translation, or PC's Ys: The Oath in Felghana, as mutagene pointed out.
Ys IV ---> You will find the PS2, SNES and PC Engine versions. Ignore the PS2 version and play both the SNES and PCE versions. Each one tells a story in very different ways. Both are "official enough". Falcom never made Ys IV themselves anyway. SNES version = Ys IV: Mask of the Sun PCE version = Ys IV: The Dawn of Ys PS2 version = Ys IV: Mask of the Sun - a new theory -
Ys V ---> SNES version. Either the regular Ys V or Ys V Expert will do. None were translated+patched to english. Not even the crappy PS2 version.
Ys VI ---> Either PC or PS2 version. The former was fan-translated, the latter officially translated by Konami. There's also the PSP version, also translated by Konami, but I don't recommend it more than the other two.
Ys ORIGIN ---> PC only, not fan-translated yet. As mutagene said, a patch is on the way (might take an year or more to be ready), but you can still play it in japanese anyway.
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Post by liquidpolicenaut on Jul 18, 2009 17:54:41 GMT -5
Ys III ---> Either the SNES version, which has the best translation, or PC's Ys: The Oath in Felghana, as mutagene pointed out. Ys IV ---> You will find the PS2, SNES and PC Engine versions. Ignore the PS2 version and play both the SNES and PCE versions. Each one tells a story in very different ways. Both are "official enough". Falcom never made Ys IV themselves anyway. SNES version = Ys IV: Mask of the Sun PCE version = Ys IV: The Dawn of Ys PS2 version = Ys IV: Mask of the Sun - a new theory - Ys V ---> SNES version. Either the regular Ys V or Ys V Expert will do. None were translated+patched to english. Not even the crappy PS2 version. Ys VI ---> Either PC or PS2 version. The former was fan-translated, the latter officially translated by Konami. There's also the PSP version, also translated by Konami, but I don't recommend it more than the other two. Ys ORIGIN ---> PC only, not fan-translated yet. As mutagene said, a patch is on the way (might take an year or more to be ready), but you can still play it in japanese anyway. I agree with all that Red Hairdo has to say and I will add two opinions of my own: 1) The PS2 version of Ys III isnt THAT bad. Yeah, it could have been so much more, but I actually liked it. You should at least give it a look-see and decide if its of any interest to you... 2) Ys: The Oath in Felghana has THE best version of the Ys III soundtrack! Listen to no one elses opinion on this!!!!!
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Post by Red Hairdo on Jul 18, 2009 18:00:17 GMT -5
Well, I think he's looking for the games, so that he will understand the story and stuff. I didn't recommend Ys III PS2 because it's japanese-only. But yes, it is awesome. One of my favorite Ys games. (And yet, I have so many favorites. ) After finishing all of those, and if he decides to stick with the series, THEN I shall make more unusual suggestions. xD We just have to see what kind of "Ys-er" he will become! Also, well, everyone agrees YsOiF's ST is one of the finest ones from Ys III, and the whole Ys series. I personally don't think it's the best, but it's almost there for me.
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Post by AllenSmithee on Jul 18, 2009 18:07:18 GMT -5
Play both the original of Ys III (Genesis or Super NES, 'less you wanna play with different names) and OiF. They're totally different, and if you dislike one, you can go through the other!! Or BOTH < Ys V technically does have more than 1 version... Ys V Expert. I think you mean "port" though (; (Mutagene) The rest is perfectly agreeing.
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Post by Red Hairdo on Jul 18, 2009 18:30:44 GMT -5
... That pic you made is so nice, I... *saves* xD Anyway, what MP83 said. xD Beware the PS2 version.
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Post by liquidpolicenaut on Jul 18, 2009 18:37:50 GMT -5
Well, I think he's looking for the games, so that he will understand the story and stuff. I didn't recommend Ys III PS2 because it's japanese-only. Oops, forgot the "english-only" part. Too true. Stick to the English versions recommended already THEN you can get into the non-translated stuff...
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Post by Mutagene on Jul 18, 2009 18:54:25 GMT -5
... whoops, totally forgot about V Expert. Sowwy, guys. :E
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Post by AllenSmithee on Jul 18, 2009 19:01:02 GMT -5
Yaya, the PS2 versions aren't great...
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Post by Ashurei on Jul 18, 2009 20:12:09 GMT -5
But you guys didn't mention Ys Strategy! Which we all know should be avoided like the plague.
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Post by Red Hairdo on Jul 18, 2009 20:19:53 GMT -5
Ys Strategy rules. The ST, I mean. xD We also forgot Ys Online.
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Post by Ranzor on Jul 19, 2009 22:20:32 GMT -5
Nobody mentioned, IV takes place before III, so if you wanna play chronologicaly play IV then III.
And although none of the two versions of Ys IV were made by Falcom, Mask of the Sun (SNES) is the one considered canon nowadays (though Dawn of Ys is the better of the two).
You can also consider playing I-II Complete (PC). It's been translated and is the best version of Ys I-II.
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Post by Ranzor on Jul 19, 2009 22:52:39 GMT -5
To be completely thorough, here're the the series' english releases:
Official Releases: Ys I - Sega Master System, TurboDuo (Books I&II) Ys II - TurboDuo (Book I&II) Ys III - TurboDuo, Sega Genesis, Super Nintendo Ys VI - PlayStation 2, PSP
Fan Translations: Ys I - MSX, NES, DOS, PC (I-II Complete) Ys II - MSX, NES, PC (I-II Complete) Ys III - MSX, NES, PC (Oath in Felghana) Ys IV - Super Nintendo (Mask of the Sun), TurboDuo (Dawn of Ys) Ys VI - PC
Upcoming (?): Ys Origin - PC (definitely upcoming) Ys V - Super Nintendo (maybe someday)
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Post by Red Hairdo on Jul 19, 2009 23:28:47 GMT -5
Nobody mentioned, IV takes place before III, so if you wanna play chronologically play IV then III. Oh, yeah! @_@ I knew I was forgetting something... And although none of the two versions of Ys IV were made by Falcom, Mask of the Sun (SNES) is the one considered canon nowadays (though Dawn of Ys is the better of the two). Even though only MotS is technically official, DoY has apparently been considered the official one for ages. The only Ys IV-based official soundtrack releases were all labeled as "Dawn of Ys" ones, for example. Besides, it seems Falcom likes going back to change stuff previously canon (they call that retconning or something, don't they?). For example, when the first actual Ys I remake came out, Ys ETERNAL, Adol's age has been changed to 17, instead of being 16. Also YsOiF changed a lot of stuff (some of which were very cliché-ish). Also, oddly enough, in the Ys SEVEN trailer, they show both Ys IV: The Dawn of Ys and Ys IV: Mask of the Sun simultaneously. (And note that the PS2 version wasn't shown, as well.) Due to YsIV:DoY's immense popularity when compared to YsIV:MotS', I get the feeling Falcom might reconsider what they did, or just make an Ys IV on their own, or consider both versions as "possible", or something. They certainly don't want the fans against their decisions. Though I don't think they would like to accept DoY so openly as it closes many doors for more Ys games to be made, and that's also not what a commercial company such as Falcom would want. So, as they have been doing all those last years, I think they will keep avoiding mentioning Ys IV in general as much as possible. You can also consider playing I-II Complete (PC). It's been translated and is the best version of Ys I-II. Hey, that's only your opinion. (And I disagree.) Though it undeniably ranks among the best, plus it's in english as you said, so it would be a very good option for mraellis. Also, just to clarify, the only versions of Ys that are not available in English in ANY form are Ys V and Ys Origin. The latter's being worked on, but the former... nobody knows what's going on. -Tom I know! I know! Nothing is going on with the former. xD Sad, but true. As Smithee says in his sign, we gotta "Face the Facts". To be completely thorough, here're the the series' english releases: Official Releases: Ys I - Sega Master System, TurboDuo (Books I&II) Ys II - TurboDuo (Book I&II) Ys III - TurboDuo, Sega Genesis, Super Nintendo Ys VI - PlayStation 2, PSP Fan Translations: Ys I - MSX, NES, DOS, PC (I-II Complete) Ys II - MSX, NES, PC (I-II Complete) Ys III - MSX, NES, PC (Oath in Felghana) Ys IV - Super Nintendo (Mask of the Sun), TurboDuo (Dawn of Ys) Ys VI - PC Upcoming (?): Ys Origin - PC (definitely upcoming) Ys V - Super Nintendo (maybe someday) Ys I for MS-DOS had an official english release. So did Ys I for Apple2GS, which is missing in the list... Ys I & II also were released for DS, and both got localized, too. Also, well, in the USA I think some people can still buy a certain Ys I for mobile phone. And it's just a detail, but the MSX Ys games were for MSX2 specifically. There was also Ys Strategy for DS, released officially in english, as well as Ys Online for PC. Though these both don't count as much. There's also Zwei!!'s "Typing of Ys" mini-game, which has been fan-translated. Though that one also don't count much. It's not a game, but both Ys I and Ys II animes can be found in english, too. Also, this may be pushing things a little too much, but Vantage Master v2 was officially released in english, and it has both Adol and the Goddesses in it! Now that's a more thorough list.
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Post by Ranzor on Jul 20, 2009 0:44:04 GMT -5
Thanks for completing my list Red. I knew I must've forgotten something! As for Ys IV, I only said the SNES version was considered canon "these days". Anyway, I think that wyrd's explanation about that was pretty good. I sure hope that after Ys VII Falcom'll show a new point of view on that story.
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Post by Red Hairdo on Jul 20, 2009 13:11:53 GMT -5
"Different points of view", huh... Yeah, I guess that's right. Actually, that's also why Taito's Ys IV remake says "a new theory" in the end of the game's title. Kind of like, Taito's point of view. (Which sucks, story-wise. ) Though despite all those "point of view stuff", "different ways of telling one of Adol's adventures" and stuff, it wasn't supposed to be like it is today. =/ Falcom has abused it a little too much, I think. At least for YsOiF in my opinion.
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Post by AllenSmithee on Jul 20, 2009 13:17:14 GMT -5
Teehee, I missed this before Awesome xD Actually, seeing as I'm playing the series as well (I'm playing OiF now, and hunting down a SNES copy of Ys III) how does one play the Turbo Grafx IV translated AND emulated (duh). I have discs, so I CAN burn it, but I've never got bins and cues to work right. Well, actually, on second thought, we'll cross the road when we get there.
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Post by Ranzor on Jul 20, 2009 14:00:28 GMT -5
Well, if you don't find it, I guess I can send it to you.
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Post by AllenSmithee on Jul 20, 2009 14:04:53 GMT -5
Oh sweet, that would be masterful! When I'm done of OiF I'll let you know!
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