*nods* Sounds like an excellent idea! So I could be the target audience for say "Heavenly Guardian", and "Ys V", and I'd review it accordingly, describing each and every detail of why I liked it as the person that the games have obviously catered to? Is that how it'd work? And then you could review "Secret of Mana", because you certainly fall under its target audience more than I do? Is that about right? Basically a site that doesn't have negative reviews, but gamers who like the games they review, reviewing games they deem to be good because you never know what games are good until you play them for yourself?
I'd be more enticed to play through Ys V if it were in English. Heck, that's prolly the only reason I made it through Ys IV Mask of the Sun ;P But that says something about the game right there: I've willingly played through Tales of Phantasia and Seiken Densetsu 3 repeatedly in raw Japanese while Ys V got put on the shelf for now.
I'm also in the camp that hit detection doesn't make sense in Ys V. Hit box on swords that slash is huge. I've definitely been able to hit monsters outside my range, standing beside me that I shouldn't have been able to. Also to use an early game example, those headless armor guys can almost never hit you if you attack from above or below them. They'll stand there and swing and miss. If they're beside you they'll nail you almost every time. Why it's if the monsters themselves don't understand the hit detection in the game! ;P And then there's the jumping.. It's not so much jumping as it is throwing yourself against platforms that you think you should be able to climb until the game decides to let you jump onto it. I know I got stuck for a little because I tried to jump onto something I thought I should be able to, but yet I didn't make it so I stumbled around for a while trying to find an alternate path. Later I went back and tried it again and was able to jump up.
Not bashing anyone's right to enjoy Ys V. Those are just some of my reasonings on why I don't like it. I mean hell, I enjoy playing Spelunker (NES) and Tower Toppler (C64) of all things.
"Ambition is the willingness to kill the things you love and eat them to stay alive."
Oh darn, lol, there goes my hopes of having an entire page dedicated to just myself and a moderator going back and forth about the similarities and inconsistencies between this and other games of similar style. That was fun, though. Can't deny that was some heated, constructive banter we had going on.
*nods* Sounds good..... I like short at the moment! Fits in with my lifestyle......
Love the Developer's Room in Ys IV by the way!!
OiF is calling from afar...... I am drowning out the voices with GBA Castlevania sessions.... lmao....... MSX Antiques Collection.......... Famicom Disk System........ Awww.... But Ys keeps calling me.......
I sound mental but basically I am Ys mad..... I am incredibly fickle about games though but surprisingly I have stuck with Ys for a long time and really enjoy it.... Never seem to get bored of any aspect of it......
I'm sure I'll get back to Secret of Mana soon enough too... once I remember how to get back to... North Town? South Town? Hell if I remember...
// I'll still get into Odin Sphere, I think. The biggest issue for me with Mana wasn't only the ring system. It was really just the gameplay as a whole. I loved Sword of Mana, and it can be understood why Secret of Mana feels like such a big step backward for me -- because it IS, it's an older title! It's not as fleshed out, or as engrossing! Of course I'm not going to like it as much as I liked Sword!
...though to be fair, Final Fantasy Adventure is even OLDER and I still prefer it to Secret of Mana. Hmmm... maybe it's the black sheep effect, because it plays so differently from my basis of comparison? Or perhaps it's the fact that I expect it to be as good as the hype that surrounds it? Because it's EXTREMELY overhyped, people claim it to be the BEST GAME OMFG OF THE CENTURY, and an HG101 article even claimed that it was better than EarthBound (which I STILL prefer miles over Secret of Mana!)... so who knows? Maybe if I didn't expect so fucking much from the game, I'd have enjoyed it more.
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I'd first played it on emulators, after reading said raving reviews. I was extremely excited, thinking that it'd be the best thing since sliced bread. I wasn't impressed then.
I gave it a second chance, once I realized what I was going to be playing. I bought it for the Wii VC, and... I'm still not impressed now.
I think the good news though, is that I actually gave it a chance, instead of *only* passing it off as a really, really shitty overhyped ARPG. XD It's better to do both and know right and well I gave it my best shot.
Can I just say having played with Ys V Expert for a little while.... (GF will get really annoyed as she hasn't been involved..... However the curiousity was killing me) I have to say that the art style is really quite pretty. The gfx are especially pleasing and from a personal point of view remind me of a less colourful version of Golden Sun on GBA.
Further, the game mechanics I have been privvy to so far are pretty amazing. The attack/defend buttons are not something I am used to and therefore I had a little apprehension starting the game.... I love it! Haven't even touched the magic yet so I am not sure about that, however what I have played I have thoroughly enjoyed.
If I can hopefully bring some kind of resolution to the on/off debate... I think that if you are brought up on old skool JRPG's and Zelda then your gonna be right at home here. I think a lot of the frustration I have experienced thus far is the lack of english and the constant tendancy to go into 'Traditional Ys Mode' and run after the enemies, forgetting that I am playing a whole new game.
Oh and the music so far has been pretty enchanting. I normally like chip tunes anyway but in a sorta like nostaglic sorta way. Ys V's music stands up to 'proper' listening really well.
Apologies for the mini review there as I am sure I am talking to the peeps that know it best but for me personally its been a revelation thus far.... Just hope the GF doesn't get annoyed about it!!
I am wanting to experience the other games to see if my view will change based on my experiences with the other titles... In all honesty though, I very much doubt it!
Great stuff. You got an Ys V fan here! Right on!!!
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Post by gamesbloke on Jan 10, 2010 22:31:25 GMT -5
Just for my personal curiousity can you elaborate on your reasoning behind the Old Skool/Zelda RPG's being better gameplay-wise, wyrdwad?? I would just like to know if I have ever missed anything or whatever and why your view is so 'clear cut' so to speak.
I personally think that Ys V stands up to at least the same level of scruntiny as many other JRPG's of the era however that being said if you are a massive fan of JRPG's then maybe Ys V is like the 'underdog' or something... (Hope I am making sense here....)
What I am basically saying is.... I don't see many differences to the combat in Ys V over say Zelda or vice versa.... So I am thinking that there is some deep, intricate mechanic or something that I may have missed.
I am very curious now.....
**Don't worry too much about spoilers or whatever if they are required to prove a point. I am cool with it
Post by Red Hairdo on Jan 25, 2010 10:42:24 GMT -5
Well, it looks like you don't recall it, but I did try PSP Brandish, and later stated "yeah, this series is not for me.". xD
I mean, I was on the first stage, explored everything, then I got stuck. =( I checked all squares on the map, and I recall I even tried to blow up apparently-cracked walls with a bomb or something, but to no avail. So I wouldn't be too certain about the game being fully playable even in Japanese for those who don't understand the language.
After that, I just quit, also because I wasn't having that much fun in the first place... Also, I think I'd rather not miss the story, so I'd try most seriously the titles that are somehow available in english, like Brandish 1 and 2, both on SNES.