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Post by Red Hairdo on Oct 16, 2014 19:36:50 GMT -5
I can still wait, personally, I don't hold you guys guilty for anything.  I just wish you all success in both Zwei!! and Zwei II projects! |
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Post by tancients on Oct 17, 2014 9:12:15 GMT -5
I can't wait. I'm tired of waiting. I want to release it a year ago!
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Post by Pal on Oct 17, 2014 12:01:22 GMT -5
Gonna keep my fingers crossed then.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2014 15:44:13 GMT -5
Been eager to play this for a while now. Hoping you guys finish before the end of this year.
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Post by Lenalia on Dec 21, 2014 12:00:06 GMT -5
I poked my head back in here on a whim, and I have to say... that's wonderful news.  Take as long as you all need -- I'm just thrilled that this is still in the works. |
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Post by jakeslogan on Dec 23, 2014 23:56:12 GMT -5
I'm still waiting here. Keeping my hope as long as the site still up and running. |
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Post by schlagwerk on Dec 24, 2014 12:34:16 GMT -5
My hope keeps going as long as I have an unopened and untranslated copy of Zwei 2 sitting on my desk
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Post by Pal on May 13, 2015 16:34:21 GMT -5
Any news regarding this?
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Post by Xalphenos on May 13, 2015 17:58:02 GMT -5
What happened to jakeslogan. He used to come bump this about once a month. 91 posts all in this thread. For a 115 year old you had to admire his dedication. |
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Post by SkyeWelse on May 14, 2015 8:03:33 GMT -5
I hope that tancients will pick the project back up or provide an update soon. Zero G and I both reached out to her to see if she needed extra assistance with the project to help her try and finish it up. I believe the issue had something to do with their programmer not being available. We've not heard back yet on that.
-Thomas
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Post by jakeslogan on May 19, 2015 15:20:55 GMT -5
I'm still here checking this thread and the BoF page once a month. Just feel sad when they confirm the script was sold to a Korea company on the BoF page.
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Post by SkyeWelse on May 19, 2015 16:47:47 GMT -5
I wasn't aware that she sold the script. I commented on her blog. The team that Xalphenos and I are a part of, Heroes of Legend has reached out to her a few months back to see if she still needed some assistance with the programming issues. Of course , if she really has sold the script to a third party does kind of complicate matters. But as long as she had permission from the other Team Members who helped her achieve that translation of the script (such as the dumped script / insertion tools, et cetera) to sell it, then I think it's completely her call to sell her translation. But that does bring into question the next steps. Is she going to still release a free patch for folks that own the game to be able to use for their legally purchased copies of Zwei 2/Zwei 2+? I know that if we were to get involved to help, we would certainly want to make sure that nothing more was sold unless it was agreed to by the team members who assist her to do so. I mean I know several of us would want to see this patch finished up, but it raises a complicated concern when money is involved and our team wants to be fair to all members involved with a project, that's our policy. For example, if even one member was not okay with selling it and they had a significant role within the project, then the project assets could not be sold unless they agreed on it. -Thomas |
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Post by Xalphenos on May 19, 2015 18:05:17 GMT -5
Just feel sad when they confirm the script was sold to a Korea company on the BoF page. I just wanted to point out what jakeslogan is referenceing. I took this as more of a chide to Slayerxxx for being a dipshit. How I love dipshits that complain about not getting their free translations when and how they want them. Like the guy who leaked the Felghana patch because he didn't like that donors got early access. |
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Post by tancients on May 19, 2015 22:51:30 GMT -5
Xalphenos is correct, it was a chide and nothing more. At this point nobody has straight up purchased the translation or work done to this point. We are mostly at a standstill because I haven't taken the time to dive into the engine in order to understand what zzblue has done, and zzblue has unfortunately been unavailable for quite a while now. I've been wanting to wait for things to turn around and him to have time to help wrap it up, but obviously I have infinite patience and a lack of understanding to the people who have been impatiently waiting.
Skywelse, I sent an e-mail to the person who contacted me there but I didn't hear anything back. At this point the only assistance needed is to package the patch cleanly and iron out any lingering bugs to do with the patching itself (memory tweaks, overhead, etc).
I posted an inquiry on the steam group, and I intend on making an official announcement once I get a schedule ironed out, but in order to try and entertain and entice I plan on streaming the game (the translated patch version) as both an attempt to see about tying up loose ends on the project as well as use it to fine-tune any timing bugs for cutscenes etc.
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Post by SkyeWelse on May 19, 2015 23:47:15 GMT -5
I see, I wasn't sure. You see one post, and then another, and then a confirmation, and then a post stating that the confirmation is true and sold to a Korean company?... I must have missed the sarcasm that Xalphenos picked up on. It's all on how the text is interpreted I guess. Ah, I don't think that the other Admin who contacted you, Zero, got your email reply, so it may very well have been sent into the void. I saw that you joined the Heroes of Legend Forum. Feel free to post the details of what you need help with there and it can get researched from there perhaps. We did create a Zwei forum actually so that's the perfect place or General Discussion is fine as well. Again, if the script and progress so far has already been agreed on to be sold if someone were to purchase it, and that is a plan that you may want to follow-through with someday, I really don't see anything wrong with that, but it might be good to simply mention that possibility before any real work begins, just in case others who may want to help may take issue with helping out on something that is planned to be sold or not. At this point I don't think that anyone would really have the authority to say no to your selling the script because this was all done prior to requesting some additional programming help, but if something new were to be created by scripts or development time spent for a "free fan translation project", I think that the person who developed those tools should have a say in what can or can't be done commercially with those new pieces, at least have it be their choice. Hopefully that will be okay with you before the team looks into it. -Thomas |
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Post by Xalphenos on May 20, 2015 18:41:22 GMT -5
Like the guy who leaked the Felghana patch because he didn't like that donors got early access. Well, since donors paid to NW out of obligation, not to get access to the patch, it makes the patch actually free, therefore redistributing it isn't illegal in any way. If donors paid for the patch itself, it would be illegal, but only because the patch itself is illegal as well.  Out of obligation to what? And why bring up Legality? I never once stated that it was illegal to distribute the beta patch. Of course the fan translation patch was illegal all fan translations/rom hacks etc. are illegal. You do know what happened in this situation right? Because every time you talk about it you are just so way off it's ridiculous. No one donated to NW out of obligation. No one donated to him to buy a fan patch, which I've seen you claim before. The patch was in beta. Not ready for wide release. In order to maybe stimulate some donation growth NW decided to give Beta patch access to donors. It was not a requirement. I did not partake. I was content to wait for the finished patch to be freely distributed. Note: Lots of fan translators have had donation links. I just used this as an example of dipshit, I want now, I want it my way types that like to troll stuff like this. Like the dirtbag who went on Tancients page and said the translation had been sold just to damage her. And then called her an asshole because she didn't keep him updated as much as he would like. With felghana an absolute scum of the earth decided he knew better and that the beta patch should be released. Causing that fan translation to never be finished. And I've seen similar. Translations and hacks getting dropped because some dirtbag has entitlement issues. Even if no money was involved releasing a beta patch that you have been granted access to is an absolute dick move. And people that do that should be collectively shunned. |
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Post by SkyeWelse on May 20, 2015 18:51:50 GMT -5
That's the thing here. To my understanding, no one was paying him to get the patch (nor was he selling it), but just donated out of obligation. Because of that, releasing a patch that is basically a freebie isn't exactly a bad thing, nor should it be considered one. EDIT: Oh hey, turns out "obligation" wasn't the word I was looking for. Figures. Kindness should work better. Sorry about that. Your understanding was incorrect then, there were several people out there that out of respect wanted to be a beta tester and supported what he was doing. I donated $15 to him because I wanted to show my support. I figured hey, why not a dinner on me for your hard work NW. I never once thought of it as "Oh man... I really wish I didn't have to pay NW for this beta test... geeez!" But, there was a growing element of people who wanted to play Felghana immediately and for free and thought the idea of NW charging money for anything that he "should be giving out for free" as the mark of the devil, an unforgivable sin, when they didn't put any effort into working on the project themselves, only showing up with an opinion on the matter. Now it's one thing to have an opinion that is against that model of distributing a donation-based beta test patch, it's quite another to cause harm by intentionally buying it at the lowest amount possible and distributing it virally against the wishes of the creator. It was not one of these situations where one guy gives it to a friend and he gives it to another friend, and so on and so on, as an innocent mistake of "Oops I never thought it would get out of control like this", no, this was an intentional stab at everything that NW worked on and they even made their opinion known about why they did this, all out of protest because their opinion differed from those who thought it was completely fine to donate to be a beta-tester. -Thomas |
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Post by Xalphenos on May 20, 2015 19:05:47 GMT -5
It would be wrong if it wasn't a freebie. But it was, therefore it's just fine. Certainly more right than you calling random people names, basically shadow boxing and acting like a jerk. You should not act like a jerk. So if I gave you something for free in confidence that you would keep it for yourself. It's ok for you to share it just because it was free? So hypothetically if we privately gave you a copy of Legend of Heroes: White Witch that can actually load English script files to beta test you would be perfectly fine with distributing it publicly? WOW! Really that's all I can say to that. Just WOW. |
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Post by Xalphenos on May 20, 2015 19:31:07 GMT -5
Giving someone an entire game is kind of different though. Also to my understanding, people working on fan translations usually like it if people actually own the game they are translating. So giving anyone a copy to beta test is kind of wtf? Does that even qualify as a freebie? HAHA ok... Whatever you have to twist around to make yourself feel better. Obviously I meant a patch. "Oh but I don't own that game, so I wouldn't take a patch" It was a hypothetical situation. It could have been anything. And it was meant to be a patch to beta test. Anyway you already answered it. You would happily give it away publicly because the patch is free. Even if I gave it to you in confidence to beta test. |
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Post by tancients on May 22, 2015 0:24:35 GMT -5
MP does exist, but only up to 83. That's not too many spells...
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I just wish you all success in both Zwei!! and Zwei II projects!
Take as long as you all need -- I'm just thrilled that this is still in the works.
